>corporal punishment is inhumane >locking up somebody with

>>2388037
It's better for society if you think about what you did instead of being beaten into violence.

>>2388045
>instead of being beaten into violence

That's exactly what happens to people in jail. Also, it's hard to think about how you have done wrong if you are surrounded by other criminals.

Bring back honor based humiliation punishment.

Imagine if every time a person cheated on their taxes or committed petty theft they were dragged through public and pelted with tomatoes and eggs for days on end instead of doing a year in some club fed meme prison.

>>2388037
I actually agree OP.

I fell it doesn't apply to more serious crimes that require rehabilitation, but for less serious crimes (drunk and disorderly for instance) it seems a perfectly sensible cheap deterrent and punishment.

I think the world gradually moved away from it based on the "dignity of man", possibly also as we saw a greater equalisation of justice. When rich and powerful people started to be punished for their crimes they perhaps were less keen on punishments beneath their station and that their wealth could not sweeten.

Even though I don't agree with it fully I'l defend prisons
>>2388037
Beatdowns can leave broken bones and permanent trauma, meaning the convict would have a harder time doing regular jobs after the punishment. Also, a beatdown, like you said, isn't as bad as wasting years of your life away from your friends and family, so it's likely that they'l just break the law again.

>>2388111
Again the punishment isn't that severe, in an year you can get humiliated much worse in a prison. Also, this can lead to permanent trauma making people less capable after the punishment, tomatoes don't spill like they do in cartoons.

The idea of prisons is to both punish and rehabilitate, not just one or the other.

>>2388037
I agree. Corporal punishment, fines or forced deductions of them from your accounts or any money you may attempt to cash, community service/labour, and capital punishment for capital offenses are all excelent alternatives to imprisonment and would probably save the state money too. This would work ideally with an unhindered right to bear arms and defend oneself.

Prisons are immoral and a disregard of human rights.
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>>2388185
Sort of seems like this guy provokes everyone in these videos.

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>>2388188
Cherrypicked model example that isn't representative of 99% of prison institutions. Since the belief of if they are there it's because they must've done something. It can be used as a tool of extortion and control of dissent by governments. Plus they of become epicenters of more crime.

>>2388208
The beginning says the charges were dismissed. Assuming it true one could imagine how that would effect ones actions.

>>2388216
Those are hardly cherrypicked prisons in Norway. Cherrypicking would be to include the prison where they don't have walls and the like to keep prisoners inside the prison.

The point is that barbaric prisons isn't a prison problem but a culture problem.

>>2388216
95% of the people that filter through rikers are legit subhuman scum that deserve everything they get, I say this as a person who spent a week sifting through there because my mother took out a restraining order on me, imagine the mentality of every kindergartener ever who would never yield to the teacher and would only shut up when a larger kid slapped him around all grown up, that is basically rikers

>>2388238
Yeah detention facilities would be necessary but ultimately I think the problem should be handled like my post above >>2388178
Really only child molesters should be incarcerated.

>>2388232
Sort of like the allegation of socialism not taking into account human nature amirite?

>>2388170
Read about Brazilian prisons and see if you change your mind.

>>2388037

other than mass terror campaigns and high levels of social stigma, theres hardly anything that keeps crime down ever, except perhaps taking peoples money, somehow that makes them think twice, especialy for lesser things that are just about calculation

another thing is the certainty of getting caught, the less certain it seems one might actualy get caught the greater the chance one will simply do the thing, so things like surveilance, transparency, intra-organisational control, these logicaly work, same way you wont shoplift while the shopkeeper is eyeballing you

prison does not keep crime down, it makes things systematicaly worse and does moreso in the long run, neither did corporal punishment realy prevent much, neither did dolling out death sentences on routine, neither did deporting people to camps and colonies, realy theres hardly anything that can prevent crime in the sense of a legal detterent at all, its like saying bears having claws and sharp teeth deters bear hunters

one of the things that does have effect are agreements and customs backed by authority and things like honour and status and respectability - these often have the greatest effect within the criminal circles themselves, so things like gangs agreeing on territory or not doing specific kinds of shit to specific people or not dealing in this or that kind of activity

>>2388308
I don't think this is right, prison as a concept definitely deters the average guy from crime, just because it doesn't work on a certain subset of society as a deterrent doesn't mean it does not work as one to everyone else.

How often does Joe Schmoe want to knock out John Q. Bumblefuck but decides not to, if only to avoid 24 hours in county jail?

>>2388375

yes but this only works in the sense of a practical calculation, same as with a fine or with calculating wether a risk is too great

if the thing is important enough, as in that whoever cares enough or cannot afford othervise the theopposite logic applyes - i will/must do this and ill just serve it out

theres even sayings like that - like ''people come back from jail they dont come back from cemetery'' or ''if he had touched her id just serve it out'', or ''and when i come out ill break yor legs again''