Who would have won? My guess is the western Allies because half

unrelated but why would china side with the west?

>>2377171
Russia outnumbered the allies in europe like 3 to 1 or something.

>>2377195
Don't think that matters. They were underequipped and their infrastructure was a pile of shit in 1945.

USSR could have rolled to the Atlantic before anyone else could do anything really. They had the strongest land army in Europe at the time. They couldn't do anything in the sea or sky though. I think it would depend on the industrial output and how well the USSR would be able to administer the new lands. I don't think they would eventually collapse from within again.

Europe wouldn't be the interesting area though. The middle east and far east would be far more volatile. If the west were to strike it would have to be through Anatolia and/or Manchuria.

>>2377205
>They were under equipped and their infrastructure was a pile of shit in 1945

What are you smoking.

>>2377210
>First the germans waltz over the SU
>Soviets destroying everything on their retreat
>Then the Soviets waltz over the SU
>Germans destroying everything on their retreat
>Not a big pile of infrastructural shit.

The equipment situation is debatable but they had more men than they had equipment for sure.

>>2377185
Technically the KMT was still in control of China so they would have joined if the other allies promised to help stamp out the communist forces.

Should have happened to be honest.

>>2377222
They moved all their production infrastructure well into Russia proper. And this was 1941/1942. The Germans didn't even make it to Moscow.

You need to seriously actually go read a history book instead of taking movies and memes as sources.

>>2377171
Nuke Moscow. Problem solved.

Truman: thx for liberating Poland, allow government in exile to return and free elections, thx
Stalin: lolno
Truman nukes Japan
Truman: k, now that's done and dusted, about Poland
Stalin: uh, sure, we were liberators not conquering imperialists anyway, I will gladly withdraw all troops and free eastern Europe
Truman: it's cool senpai, you can keep east Germany as your prize

>>2377171

Yeah never understood why the allies didn't strongarm the soviets into brtter agreements and make them give up land?

Maybe they foresaw ww3? Russia wasn't that far off from getting Nukes too and once they got them which would had been 3-4 years later, all It would have took was a little national Pride to go back to war? (It's unlikely to happen, but maybe the allies thought it?)

Really makes you think why the allies would allow the USSR to Bully a 3rd of the world for 40 years without direct comflict.

>>2377279
Nuke a thy father arse, stupid faggot

>>2377355
Im not a communist but
>ussr
>bullying a third of the world

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>>2377355
USSR only got nukes because of german scientists.

German scientists would refuse to work with them if they knew west would liberate them soon.

the USSR

you obviously dont read anything related outside of le popular history/internet maymays if think otherwise

in 1944 or 45 a refill took a few weeks for a soviet tank brigade/division
their manpower had no real issues, they werent understrenght or poorly equiped/supplied

they just beat their enemy, morale is high and the propaganda is working, they are still communists or at worst protecting their motherland who see the allies with distrust

meanwhile the UK and France was pretty much a sidekick of the US against the germans and they arent so keen on waging war again, you need popularity in a democracy to stay in power

the US have their sons million miles away dieing in junge islands against tiny jap men or evil german troops and decided to use weapons of mass destruction in fear of soviets/preserve their troops from invading japanese homeland

its not popular to know about how the soviets operated the red army by the end of the war
it became stronger and more capable than the hyped wehrmacht/waffen SS

>>2377390

That makes no sense at all.

>>2377390

Was under the general understanding of spys having part in the manhattan project additional to German scientists?

>>2377386
The USSR absolutely did this.

Why do people think Hitler's intersexed, and why is it raining?

>>2377195
This, their army was also full of veterans.

>>2377171
The Soviets would probably see some victories at the start what with their more experienced army and better armor, but I think that the tide would probably turn once more allied troops entered Europe.
I don't think they'd be able to handle anymore population loss.

>>2377402
>>2377498
I'm 100% certain these would be russian IP flags.

>>2377171

If the Western world uses maximum commitment, they'd win, eventually.

However, there's very little stomach for WW3 on the ashes of WW2, and the Soviets do have the initial advantage of men and material on the main front of central Europe in 1945. Likely, if war broke out, the Soviets would advance a little, and a new peace deal would be haggled at, before you get another full blown struggle a la WW2.

>>2377207

>USSR could have rolled to the Atlantic before anyone else could do anything really.

Unlikely. In 1945, they were advancing at about 130 km a month against the last dregs of the German army. The Allied positions were some 900 km from the Atlantic, which means that it would take the Soviets a bit under 7 months to complete that drive IF the Western Allies do no better than the shattered 1945 Germans.

That of course, is a profoundly stupid assumption, and the Soviets are likely to advance far, far slower, which gives the Allies a lot of time to mobilize and throw more troops into the front, or to bring their air advantages into play.

>>2377355
Because the allies recognized that the soviets made the largest sacrifice for victory in the ETO. They also needed soviet support in the far east for the planned invasion of mainland Japan.

>>2377520

>They also needed soviet support in the far east for the planned invasion of mainland Japan.

Which is of course why the planning documents for Olympic make no mention of any such Soviet support.

What exactly would the Soviets DO to support an invasion of Japan, what with having no sealift worth mentioning in the Pacific anyway?

>>2377372
Butthurt commie detected (or Russian or slav or whatever)
>Implying there's a difference

>>2377171
Seriously, the only way the West could lose was if they were half-hearted on the war, otherwise

>The Soviets, having faced the brunt of the fighting with Germany, suffered huge losses, while America alone barely tapped on it's military and industrial output, and America had the potential of fielding a larger military than the Soviets could ever have.
>Not only that, the West would have access to the assets of Britain, France and Germany, as well as support from partisans on Eastern Europe that resented communist occupation of their countries.
>Nukes. Only America had them in 1945, and there's no way the Soviets would have resources to develop their own if they had to keep spending them in the war.

>>2377171

The allies without question.would just have been a long and messy affair that was unneccesary.

>>2377386
You need to read more Soviet history Anon

>>2377402
Basically this:

The free world was tired, without a direct threat to the home lands of the the Allies they didn't really care what the soviets did

>>2377355
>Yeah never understood why the allies didn't strongarm the soviets into brtter agreements and make them give up land?

the main reason was WW2 and just plain exhaustion from it. No one except Churchill was willing to even pitch another major global war just days after one ended. Soldiers and generals alike were just fucking sick and tired of 6 years of constant killing that reduced the entire planet's population by 2%. Hence why American soldiers were ecstatic and jumping for joy when they were told they didn't have to invade Japan with the announcement of surrender.

Economic reasons also played a huge part, mainly the fact that Britain and France simply can't keep military production sustained for much longer than when the war ended. WW2 already permanently crippled all participants in it except for the US and USSR, invading the Soviet Union again would have been much more destructive than you think to economies what were only holding by a thread in Britain an France's case.

At the end of the day the USSR gained Eastern Europe because there really wasn't much the Western Allies could do, either apply political pressure that doesn't work or go back to war and run the possibility of losing all of Germany or more, wasn't worth that risk when you account for all the death and destruction they already went through.

>>2377912
I should also add of the political consequences to such an action.

what would it look like to the rest of the world to see a grand alliance take down Nazi Germany and Japan, the only a few days after it ended, the alliance immediately declares war and invades the largest contributor to their victory.

diplomatic trust in the Western Allies by the rest of the world would be shattered by such a bold invasion of their own ally, probably enough to make people believe in communism as an idea to turn to in order to beat back such an obvious war of imperialism.

>>2377195
>>2377207
>>2377234
>>2377402
>>2377498
I too listen to Dan Carlin

Soviets steamroll Europe and Britain/America decide to just throw in the towel--I doubt the political will to continue fighting would still be there even if they could theoretically take back Europe over the course of a few years by lobbing dozens of nukes.

>>2377185
China wouldn't become a communist state until 1949

>>2377195
Too bad most their logistical equipment was from the US they could fight a few months then start starving to death.

>>2377171
Since when was turkey in ww2?

>>2380587
Also Spain joins the allies wtf?

>>2380592
Also I don't believe Iran was an allied power, a the Chinese getting involved is also questionable.

>>2377171
Allies easily
Russian manpower and supplies where already strained to untold proportions by this point and the USA was already planning to invade post berlin anyways

The hardest fighting would mirror barbarossa around moscow, but should their anti air fail moscow would have been nuked instead of hiroshima or nagasaki, or at least before

>>2377171
Depends on who's the attacker, if the Soviets immediately go to wat after the conquest of Germany, they may very well succeed in conquering Europe.

>>2377386
It's probably closer to half

>>2380587
Turkey joined early 45 to win brownie points with the us.

>>2380621
Iran was jointly invaded by England and the Soviet Union in 41, but primarily under English occupation.