How did women become convinced that a career was more important

let me guess what you want to hear: jews, liberals, sluts, or whatever it is you people are now blaming for being a loser

>Put masculine values/traits such as ambition, worth ethic, respect, honor, reason, and competition on a pedestal
>Pidgeonhole women into the nurturing, caregiver/teacher role and deprive them of the means to be independent
>Suddenly women are able to join the workforce, more careers open up for them, and they are able to chase whatever dream job they wish

It's really not a mystery.

>>2374747
>Put masculine values/traits such as ambition, worth ethic, respect, honor, reason, and competition on a pedestal

But women in the workforce don't actually display any of those traits...

>>2374706
Hippies.

>>2374770

M' liege!
*tips fedora*

Once again you have dropped your infinite wisdom upon us lowly squires.

>>2374706
Capitalists.

>>2374706
Capitalists did it for profit.

It got more difficult to raise a family with one income.

>>2374706
When families got too expensive.

>>2374783

Have you been with a military woman?

Women will take advantage of everything without the qualms that a lot of men have.

Being deployed? Oops I'm pregnant.
You need me to help carry that? Sorry I'm weaker than at least 90% of men.

Women in the workplace today are sheep so that upper management can have a stock of mistresses to cheat with.

>>2374802

I was in navy specops, and we would have techs deploy with us. So people who set up comms stuff and shit. Our phrase for the females were, "two is one, one is none". Meaning while getting ready for deployment you better train two people to do a job because the woman will get pregnant.

>>2374783
*huffs onto monocle before rubbing it against his brocaded waistcoat*

'Twas but a trifle my good sir, an idle bon mot! No need for such obsequious flattery!

Cultural Marxism

>>2374802

THis, the vast majority of women's jobs-HR, PR, nursing, teaching, etc are literal meme jobs invented for women.

Do you honestly think the company will collapse without someone updating the fb page?

>>2374747

Yes, and those traits are for men. Why would women want to emulate men?

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>>2374813

>I was in navy specops

>>2374783
>>2374814
where the fuck does this tumblr tier shits come from?
Its not even an argument, its just typical Twitter sjw mocking
are we being raided?

>>2374824

Group ONE was my last command.

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>>2374826

Women have been working outside of the home for a long time, even in what passes for education in school one learns about the women in textile factories in the 19th century for example, and even before that in textiles women were extensively involved. The male breadwinner role has not been the eternal model - although certainly it has existed - without variance and change throughout history. Women have often had to work in formal employment too. In the Anglo-Saxon countries this simply tends to be forgotten and an idealized image of the past constructed. In 1948 in the US 32% of women worked, in 2017 it is 56%. That is a difference of course, but plenty of women worked in the past, just as plenty of women do not work in the present.

It is also furthermore important to note that while women in the past might not have been part of the formal economy, house-work before modern appliances was grinding, exhausting, extensive work. They still worked very hard as a result. As this informal work has decline, naturally formal work has taken its place, although there has always been the double-burden of this which has fallen on working women, where they must both do the various house making roles, and their formal working jobs.

It doesn't matter, cultures that fell for the feminism meme will be replaced by cultures that haven't.

>>2374828
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>>2374823
>teaching and nursing are meme jobs
These are like the fundamental underpinnings of society and of its medical system, they're definitely not "meme jobs"

>>2374843

That's a good point.

Unfortunately in our miserable state of affairs, women compete with men and because "women" or something, they often get the upper hand in getting hired (esp. if they're hot).

I remember trying to apply for a state IT job and going through several interviews and being shown around by the manager.

They hired a chinese chick with boobs but little practical experience other than for-profit college classes on desktop applications.

*rips out hair*

>>2374859

Teaching in America is a meme job unless you go to a private school or home school.

I could not think of a more inefficient system to train students. But it's not merely "inefficient", it's a corrupt leviathan that wastes massive amounts of money on administrative costs.

>>2374865

Tech companies are bending over backwards to hire female IT/coders right now.

>>2374872
>teachers are pointless because they cash a cheque from the government instead of cashing a cheque from parents going into debt to send lil Johnny to kindergarten

why do people like you exist

>>2374880

Because government run schools are corrupt, waste money, and the precious childhood and adolescence of children who could learn a lot more in both academics and pragmatic skills?

>>2374883

and not only that but they function as plutocratic daycares where the lowly worker is free to...work.

Glorified fucking daycare 'till the age of 18.

>>2374872
>the scope of his argument gets narrower and narrower

Has it ever occurred to you that you have meme opinions that you can only justify by looking at less and less of your initial argument?

>>2374891

I'm not the original guy. Here's my posts.
>>2374802
>>2374865
>>2374872
>>2374883
>>2374890

and this one obv.

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>lets empower women!
>by making them act more like men
at what age did you realise the way feminism was implemented was an utter sham?

>>2374872
You know what private schools have? Teachers. Your initial argument was that teaching was a meme job, now it is that it is a meme job unless if you happen to be a teacher at a private school. It sounds to me like you're not actually of the opinion that teachers are a meme job, you're just a normal edgy ancap.

Schools serve a vital function for imposing social control on the masses from above. The daycare function which is much criticized is an absolutely vital part of their role, they impose at least some discipline and order on students, even if this increasingly deteriorates. Schools disseminate and create a common set of principles, and even if students rebel against these, simply the act of creating these as something to be rebelled against is vital for solidifying social control. Not every school, furthermore, is an inner city school, and there are some which do provide an education to their students. The lack of compulsory, enforced education, would lead to social chaos as society at the bottom increasingly dissolves into a disordered mess, instead of being ordered and regimented by the school. Teachers form the vital element in this application.

>>2374956

Private school teachers operate under a regime that is usually far more competent than a public elementary, middle, high, etc.

It's nice that you have an ideal picture of the schools serving a vital function.

The problem is that compulsory schooling creates its own problems in the form of being incompetent that a kid has to go to a college for a chance to learn hirable skills.

And schools BRING TOGETHER disorderly elements who see how rigged and stupid their whole society is.

But I must confess, this is based on the experience of public schools in Los Angeles.

>>2374977
So you take the worst schools in the country and apply them to all public schools, while accusing a profession of being a "meme job" when only part of it works in the system you despise.

You can make plenty of critiques of schools and of teachers, but calling teachers as a whole a "meme job" is ridiculous.

Also in response to your proposals most people if there wasn't compulsory schooling would just end up without any skills whatsoever, the vast majority would not improve themselves in any way, but would be even more content to stagnate and not learn anything. You're setting an artificially high bar for the vast majority of humanity.

I can speak with personal experience, I was home schooled for a period of time and I did nothing but play video games.

>>2374927
Not just men. Gay men. Frequent casual sex with any partner you want. The pill made it possible; abortion made it bulletproof.

All women have to do to act like gay men is to be willing to kill their own children.

>>2374988
>Also in response to your proposals most people if there wasn't compulsory schooling would just end up without any skills whatsoever, the vast majority would not improve themselves in any way, but would be even more content to stagnate and not learn anything. You're setting an artificially high bar for the vast majority of humanity.

There's more sensible ways to prevent "idle hands", so to speak. My view is that a "transitional" generation would have a lot of fuckups to a new system but would be less fucked up in the long run than modern schools.

>all public schools

You can apply this to most "seminars", "classes"", or whatever the government pops out.

>I was home schooled for a period of time and I did nothing but play video games.

Lucky.

>>2374927
Double the workforce, make wages more competitive, sell more to families that now "technically" have more.

Capitalism, you can't lose.

Nursing is a meme job. In Australia we cut the amount of nurses in hospitals and replaced them with "wardenmen" or wardies.

They basically do all the labour aspects of the nurses jobs now. Flipping, cleaning and moving patients as well as cleaning rooms etc. Why pay an educated nurse to do all that shit anyway?

My jobs is to tell them where to go and what to do there. It takes twice as many women to do a job a man can do in half the time. Women also suck at flipping and moving patients so men need to be sent.

Not to mention the drama.

Women in educatiion is also a meme job. Women have been caught giving better grades to girls in their classes than boys. We're not talking about meme bias that somehow causes girls to not like traditionally make subjects. I'm talking about female teachers grading boys more harshly than girls. This could either be malicious or women just holding males to a higher standard themselves.

Its also true that children learn better and enjoy a class more with a male teacher. Male teachers also tend to be better educated. In Australia to be a high school teacher requires a higher level of education than a primary school one. There are very few male primary school teachers. In high school male to femake teachers is about 50:50 in my experience.

I think women should be allowed to work but I feel that the standards we hold people to are diminished when women are involved. If they can do the job to the same standard as a man let them. I am however against lowering standards of work ethic and requirements to accommodate people.

I am probably biased myself. It irks me to see two people doing drastically different amounts if work being paid the same.

>tfw can't find a job and just kinda gave up; work as a bartender for three shifts a week taking home about 400 bucks a week in cash
>gf has some low stress HR meme job at a hospital making $85k a year spending half her day playing candy crush
>she gives me money to spend on liquor and vidya

maybe the matriarchy isn't so bad after all

Men used to be able to work at a factory making good money right out of high school. The rise of automation and outsourcing these jobs has made them either disaper or become alot less paying. Not to mention how now to get a high paying job people need a university degree and a good amount of experience

feminism

>>2375549

Because who the fuck wants to work at a factory when they don't have to? Men don't and women sure as shit don't either. It's not exactly an enthralling way to spend your life.

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>>2376102
slept through the 2016 election did we?

>>2376129

Those people think they have to, because no other opportunities exist there and they remember when those jobs were worth a damn. But they're not now for the most part (unless you have extensive training to do higher level manufacturing, which most of those people do not)

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>>2376140
Does the idea that there are so many people content with tightening a bolt for eight hours a day really frighten you so?

>>2374977
>Private school teachers operate under a regime that is usually far more competent...
absolutely not. private school teachers actually get terrible pay compared to public school teachers. you know why? they aren't as well qualified as public school teachers because they don't have the same collective bargaining rights. I predict you'll go "muh unions" "muh overpaid teachers" "muh pensions", but I still support them getting higher pay all the same for a highly taxing job. private school teachers, on the other hand, are paid in peanuts, liable to get fired at any time and are considered expendable if the private school's profits get threatened. And that last part is crucial, because private schools are businesses. Theyre run for profit by their managers, who wouldn't have trouble slashing afterschool programs or building cheap cramped school space if they can fill their own pockets. Besides that, there's the fact that private schools sees their students and parents as customers. A parent sees the bills for private school as a transaction for which their child should get good grades. So if a parent complains that her child deserved a better grade, the administrators will do that to appease the parent. What results is a lack of standards to accomodate students who don't want to do the hard work of studying. Teachers also become afraid to assign hard work out of fear that parents will complain.

>>2376319
>because*
I mean to start a new sentence saying "they alos don''t have the same.."

>>2376102
>Men don't
We do. It makes a shitload of money, same as coal mining.

>>2376324
i actually agree with this. i'm probably never going to do a factory job ever, but in my opinion i'd actually prefer someone profit off my physical labor than my mental labor. Mental labor is taxing in its own way and while this sounds neetist, is a kind of totalitarianism. When you give over your mind to some corporation you're thinking for someone else instead of exploring one's own thoughts and feelings. At least in a monotonous job i can daydream and think about random stuff. I've come to appreciate the freedom of thinking nothing or letting my mind do whatever it wants.

>>2374706
Career is genuinely more important than a family for anybody.
There's already too many people on earth so procreation is unimportant and undesirable.

Not every woman wants to have a kid.

>>2374826
>people see /pol/ being mocked
>they assume the opposite must be ok.

The more people that exist combined with the less farm hands needed to provide food for the population results in inflation of the worth of human life.

So naturally, you have to make as much money as possible and maximize work hours so you don't end up a homeless person in the richest country on earth. Divide what you still have by your surviving children and suddenly being a stay at home mom is worse off for your kids than working.

Middle-class wealth of a Mother and Father divided by 3 children who survive you and you have 3 lower-class children who can't get the same kinds of jobs that the parents did because of automation and improvements to efficiency in industry.

>>2376355
That's like saying "not every woman wants to eat"
It's a very basic biological urge.

>>2374706
The right to choose. That's it.

>>2376345
>Too many people in third world countries*
Most people only work to support families

>>2374706
I think you'll find that the majority of them completely drop their career when they start having babies.
A lot of them never come back either.

>>2376376
It may be, but most people are above shoving slop into their faces until they explode, right?

It's also a very basic biological function to stop breeding once population has reached a certain point. Look up the rest utopia study. Interesting shit. If rats react like this then why should we be shocked if humans do the same?

>>2376147
>Does the idea that there are so many people content with tightening a bolt for eight hours a day really frighten you so?

Thomas Jefferson would say yes, the idea of wage labor is unfitting to free men.

>>2376399
Thomas "I own two million acres and fuck all of my slaves" Jefferson looked down on wages earners? You don't say.

>>2376398
Rat utopia. Whoops. I'm drunk. It was something like "behavior sink". It's been a while since I read the study itself, but it's quoted often. Behavioral sink. That's what it was. You might find it cool. So many gay rats. So many. Gay. Rats.

>>2376382
They breed so much because of worse life conditions.
When child death is not a tragedy but a meatter of course, you'd better make more children, or you won't pass your genes.
In developed countries, one or two children will suffice. You can import immigrants to support genetic diversity.
Also, less developed nations are also more religious.

>>2376406

Yeah. People who worked in factories were seen as unvirtuous people who should move back to England since they hate freedom so much. Real men owned their own property.

>>2376398

Numbers weren't the issue. The rats having nothing to strive for, and thus having no place in "mouse society", was the issue. Numbers didn't mean anything because even once the numbers went back down they didn't recover. It wasn't a comment on overpopulation (though that is an issue), but rather the effects on a being who does not have to strive for anything like food, a role in society, breeding partners, etc. And if you note, the things the mice did aren't seen in Africa or actual overpopulated areas, but can be seen in the west or other areas where development is high and everyone is relatively well off.

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>>2374706
Women don't think. They're the slave gender. The do whatever they're told. So basically, what really radically changed women was the invention of the birth control pill, which actually enabled them to transcend the restrictions of their gender. The workforce opened to them because it was economically viable, it would have to happen eventually, our lives are ruled by two things: technology and the economy.

Feminists control the narrative to make working outside the house as a goal and superior. They normalize the concept through media, and now women are expected to go through college, so they do so. Men have grown weak, instead of them leading their women, feminists, the state and the media are leading women. A sad state of affairs. I think this is all the result of the death of the humanities. People don't know what they truly want from life, or what they should pursuit. Instead, ideologues tell them what to pursuit. Sad.

>>2376335
It's also relatively decently earning, that's the best part. The starting salary for a generic coal miner without even a high school degree is 60k, where else would you get that sort of deal? In buttfuck Appalachia where everything is cheap, no less.

Hilarious thing is that many people on the coasts think mining jobs or factory jobs are some minimum wage shit while that's pretty far from being the case, there's a reason why people in the midwest miss those jobs so bad.

>>2376431
Next you're going to tell me all those nice slightly overweight people in the castle considered peasants lower than the shit on the bottom of their shoes.

>>2376422
The population in those countries is exploding BECAUSE of living conditions getting better, those children were dying in the past but now they aren't.
They are the ones that need to adjust themselves.

>>2376432
Dude I said I was drunk. That's why I told them to look it up. I didn't want to give bs information. But yeah, you got the gist of it.

>>2376451
Changing habits takes time etc.

>>2376463
Sure but it's no reason for us to stop breeding.

>>2376450
>all those nice slightly overweight people in the castle considered peasants lower than the shit on the bottom of their shoes.

That was liberal propaganda.

>>2374706
so she can work to financially support the family?

>>2374770
Women are ambitious and hyper competitive.
It's terrifying.

>>2374706
How did men become convinced that a career is more important than a family?

I dunno about you, but I'm under the impression there are far more childless guys that there are childless women, as well that men in general are less wiling to commit and start a family.

>>2374706
Technology made most of the domestic day wasted time.
Households realised you could get twice the income and therefore a more comfortable life.

The nuclear family was a meme that couldn't last anyway,

>>2376974
More like income remained the same, wages halfed, and 15% of the household income evaporated into nannies, maids, dog walkers and after school programs.

>>2376954
Men get careers FOR their families. They work harder when they have children.

>>2376376
If a woman doesn't eat she dies, if a woman doesn't have children she'll live a normal and functional life. Maybe it is a biological urge, but it is on a fundamentally different level of importance and urgency.

>>2376397
It is extremely hard to balance between children and work for many women, in some advanced countries like France, always a leader of civilisation, an effective state infrastructure enables women to continue to work even after having children.

>>2376954
>How did men become convinced that a career is more important than a family?

Men were never given the choice, it has ALWAYS been the responsibility of men to work like niggers to support their wives and children.

The greatest trick the captalists have achieved is in persuading women that woring like a nigger is "freedom" while staying at home and raising kids is "slavery". This has allowed them to steal the increases in productivity from the wages of the workers, because to people working for low wages bring in as much or more than one person working for decent wages.

>>2376443
haha kek you so silly

Liberalism, an ideology obsessed with material egalitarianism and capitalism, an economic system which worships mammon.

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They get all the rights of being a male but none of the responsibilities.

>>2378643
Meh. They're given a few a token meme graduations during peace time so they shut the fuck up. Everybody knows it's bullshit and basically PR/realpolitik.

None of that shit would last long during a real war. I hope anyway.

women always worked. the man as sole breadwinner is a meme.
however, what is not a meme is that somehow women are convinced that sitting in a cubicle doing powerpoint is more fun than having kids.

>>2374706
Capitalism rendered single-worker families unsustainable.

Our society is individualist and will continue to be. Some individuals who are women prefer domesticity, other individuals who are women prefer careers. This may change at different parts of their life.

I've never had experience with the incompetent women meme, some of my favorite professors are women. My mother, the smartest person I have ever met, graduated top of her class at the University of Michigan with a degree in business, quit to spend time with me and my sisters (not because she had to, but because she wanted to) and now that we are growing up she is working again. There are poor quality women in job positions they are not meant for yes, and you could argue that our society perpetuates a career path, but only to account for previously forcing all women into a life not all of them were suited for(domesticity). But in general this is a much better outcome than the potentially psychological harm an individual receives when they are thrust into a position they may not be suited for.

>>2378673
Being able to afford stuff is nice. Nobody likes work, but even fewer people like raising childrrn

>>2378733
yes, but's a low-term materialistic view on things. and when it comes to women it goes contrary to what their hormones are saying plus it is a long long time from ca. 40 to death. its even longer when alone.

>>2374785
should this have parentheses?

>>2374859
I think there are two categories-- the actual meme jobs like hr, pr, etc.

And then there are the jobs that women are capable of doing, but that would be done better by men -- teaching, nursing

>>2378761
you dont know much, young padavirgin

>>2378770
classic banter, you really showed me

>>2378787
thanks. dont forget to like, share and follow.

>>2374826

>STOP BEING DISAGREEING WITH ME 4CHAN IS SUPPOSED TO BE MY PERSONAL ECHOCHAMBER!

>>2377032

> Men get careers for their families

I can't speak for all men but I wanted a career. Odds were I was going to have to work for a living. Seemed like getti g a higher paying job with more autonomy and challenge was the best option.

Family came over a full decade later.

When will neckbeards stop blaming everyone else for their problems?

>>2378801
When entire academic fields revolving around blaming everything on the white male penis patriarchy go the way of the dodo.

>>2378806

>it's not my fault i dont have a job/better job!
>it's not my fault i don't have a gf!

Pathetic.

>>2378806

So now I have the pleasure of getting bitched at in gender stereo? Lovely.

>>2378801
when being a mother is seen as valid career again

>>2378812
>da white man is da reason I sell crack to muh grandma
>da white man is da reason most women have structurally different brains causing them to be underrepresented in STEM

>>2378828

The white man is the reason other white men blame other white men for black men.

Fucking white males.

>>2378828
Congratulations on your Sociology degree from Shekelstein University™, now please take this job at a democrat run think tank making $90k a year, you've earned every penny!

>>2378828

>other people blame their problems on others so that means I should be allowed to as well

They were convinced of this becuse it was a problem that your life was meant to be nothing but washing dishes and waiting for the man to come home.

Having a job is a good thing, for most at least.

>>2374770
Except your wrong. I know several very driven women.

There was nothing wrong with giving capable and ambitious women the opportunity to pursue a career (who were a minority at the time)

we went wrong by force feeding the idea that every man and woman needed to be working full time

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>>2374706
Being a housewife is a soulkilling, boring job.

Women want financial independence from potentially abusive husbands.

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>Tfw could have been owning a house and starting a family with my gf in 3 years if I lived in the 50s

t. 22 year old

>>2374706
>Why don't women do what I want them to do?

Can't say, anon.

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>>2374872
>Teaching in America is a meme job unless you go to a private school or home school
t. Upper middle class republican

>>2374706
Jealousy. Mankind always wants what they can't have.

In a traditional family and society, men typically labor for the wealth of their family, and since family wealth is often a very tangible thing (Ownership of property, money, etc), it was a very prestigious thing. Men would toil for this material wealth, and in each others' eyes, they would envy those who had more than them. Meanwhile, women, wives, and mothers would toil in the household, raising children and preserving order within the family, a job just as important as the external acquisition of wealth, yet one that didn't provide the same material benefit that could be used for elevating one's status.

There were varying answers to this, but in the end, the avenue open to the most women was to assume traditionally male roles and attempt to compete with them. The entire reasoning was a status symbol; men would typically disregard the value of a traditional women in the household while competing against each other, so in order to elevate their status to men, women would seek employment to increase their wealth.

This led to some difficulties in society: children now lacked an ever present guardian, leading to the need to rely on other sources for caretaking, the glut of additional labor added to the labor poor driving down the value of workers, and a class of workers often not as able to preform their roles due to the sexual dimorphism of the species.

>>2376319

There are incompetent private schools BUT...

Teachers in public systems acquire tenure. That ruins the primary motivation for not fucking up.

I'd rather a teacher be motivated by not getting fired as opposed to the pseudo-nihilism which takes hold over public schools.

And you forget that unions and administration squander so much money on absolute bullshit. That's why giving schools MORE money doesn't work. Because the problem is with the executive decisions as to what to do with said money.

Public Schools might be decent if not for the government stooges in charge of the whole show.

>>2378925

That's what happens in a world where the majority of industrial capacity has been bombed to hell except America.

You want the 50s? Bomb the industrial capacity of nations across the oceans.

>>2374872
What ever you say Cotton Eye Joe.

>>2378932

You really think the bureaucrats are doing a good job at education? Really think hard. Think hard on all the stupid bullshit that wasted your fucking time. A person should arrive at 18 with some marketable skill.

"Should". Instead we go to college on our own dime because the pace of the classroom is set by the slowest students.

Public schools aren't holy sites of learning, they're degenerate bureaucracies with degenerate managers and administrators who give themselves massive salaries.

For the children of course.

>>2380356
Yeahhhh whatever, call public schools daycare centers all you want and guess what? You literally NEED publicly funded daycare if you want expect people to have kids and work.

>>2380374

You don't NEED publicly funded daycare.

A big part of the reason why parents sacrifice personal time for "money making" time is precisely because they have these federally funded daycares.

>expect people to have kids and work.

People have been doing that for thousands of years. What the fuck is wrong with your sense of history?

>>2374715
Knew it!
Damn, /pol/ was rite again!!!

>>2380428
People lived in tiny high trust insular farming communities for thousands of years, children were put to work looking after the sheep as soon as they were stable on their feet.

>>2380439
hes unironically right though

>>2380447

The fucking sheepherder has more skills than a modern day student of public education!

That's a bit sobering.

>>2376102
I worked at a car parts factory from 17-20 years old. I made fenders, exhaust pipes, intake and outtake valves. I wouldn't mind during for a living if I could support a family on it. We blasted music all day and shot the shit.

They fell for the college meme. The most common degrees at my university are, roughly, chemistry, computer science, and psychology.

Women make up the overwhelming majority of chemistry and psychology, most of them want a career in it but actually hate education: the only use of these a BSc in chemistry and psychology is becoming a debtslave or going to grad school. If you're going to be a wageslave, at least don't intentionally take a degree that's only real use is a (potential) pass into grad school.

There are also a handful of 'career women', that is, a women over 30, taking a degree here: all of them are in psychology. Why do these people think that a bachelor's degree in psychology will teach anything beyond sterile theory required to do actual application come grad school? It's horribly pretentious.

Women are not the majority in universities because they are more intelligent, it's because they're genuinely more pretentious. Average men and below men go work a trade, there more of them in my high school than men that wanted to go to college. On the other hand, every woman wanted to go to university, even the ones that are genuinely awful at everything. No, you will not get accepted into grad school for chemistry or whatever meme STEM field they've been caught in if you cannot write a coherent sentence, or shit yourself scared at the concept of doing algebra.

The majority of these people seem to just be in university to screw around, which is ridiculous. Screw around in high school, sure, when it's basically free. Don't screw around when a degree will cost you thousands of dollars.

I don't know if I'm making much sense, three midterms in a row has exhausted me. I seriously want to know what the hell these people think they're doing. It's not fucking high school, no opressive gubment is forcing you to go here. muh statistics my ass, you might have a higher earning capacity but you're going to have like, a year or two's wages in debt. Enter a trade.

Teaching is a "what you make of it" kind of job. There are excellent teachers who, were they the norm, would make the profession respectable. The problem is that they're few and far between.

>>2380551

If they wanted psychology, they should've taken marketing. Applied psychology at its most profitable.

Actually scratch that. I don't want women humor in my ads.

>>2374706
You know (((how))) it happened, OP.

>>2374706
Having a public education system means that kids aren't at home for most of the day anyway. It is a complete waste of human capital to have half of your people dicking around at home watching soap operas when they could be doing something productive. There's literally no reason women in a first world nation shouldn't hold a full time job. I would never marry some fucking leech who didn't do shit with her life and never planned on doing anything, when plenty of women want to bring home extra dough.

>>2379076
You do realize that even after tenure teachers still are constantly evaluated and this affects their pay, not to mention the fact that even if tenure didn't exist there would still be very little movement among established teachers due to the importance of experience and building your curriculum year after year into something better. It really is overstated how tenure works in the education system.

>>2380551
cont
A trade is preferable to an office job in the overwhelming majority of cases. Sit on your ass all day and deal with nonsense office gossip and all of that, or sweat a little? Not every damn trade is working oneself to death, and even then that is still preferable to an office job to anybody with a bit of dignity or motivation.
>>2380557
Absolutely.
>>2380729
They don't want psychology, they want to be pretentious and pretend that they know everything.

the state wanted to double the base. the corporations wanted to double their workforce and consumers while halving their wages. In one easy, trick feminism was pitched to the working class.

>>2380826
Women thrive on gossip and they hate working.

>>2377104
>If a woman doesn't eat she dies, if a woman doesn't have children she'll live a normal and functional life.

If a woman doesn't have children her GENES die, which is the whole reason she's eating in the first place, to keep her genes alive. There's a reason learning that they are infertile typically drives people into a deep depression and causes their self esteem to crater.

Masses of people choosing not to have children is the genetic equivalent of mass suicide, and a symptom of a profoundly mentally ill society, but since it's not a generation of school children jumping in front of trains nobody freaks out.

>>2380557
There's many of those kinds of teachers, they're just stuck in 35 kid classes with a bunch of kids who aren't told to respect authority by their parents who want to be their friends instead of their parent, so instead of doing fun/engaging/experimental shit they have to fall back to simple shit that won't get muddled in the mess of 35 kids trying to talk over each other. Not to mention creative license only applies to certain subjects and even in those subjects it's increasingly limited by (often arbitrary) standards written by people who have no experience teaching. I taught in a school like that last year and I would be going back to school to get another degree right now if I didn't have the best student teaching experience possible where I taught a truly special bunch of kids and everyone involved had a positive experience. There are a select few teachers who can stomach the shitty experience and stir up something that truly works, stay positive, and even then it has to have a certain necessary rigidness that would keep the class in check but also hold back the creativity of the classroom.

>>2378817
What about a stay-at-home dad? Is that a valid career?

>>2378806
I never experienced that once in college. Even my professors who were flaming liberals kept to the subject material. I had a female professor who was one of the 2,000 people who hold a rare Ph.D in accounting and she was dry and calculating and not nearly as "emotional" as my male literature professor or my male marketing professor.

You're obviously stereotyping people you know nothing about.

>>2374706
Capitalism
Let's profit from another half of the human race!

>study chemistry, get lab tech job after graduating
>about half my co workers are women
>all of them are married or in LTR's

Where did this meme about women giving up on families come from?

>>2380909
nope

>>2381021
How many children do they have, and how well raised are they?

>>2378920
Is that why most women essentially employed as mothering the children of others? The public education can has become this.

>>2374706

Worsening economy.

>>2378920
>have something wonderful that occupies your every thought that you would die to protect
>being able to dedicate 100% of your time to ensuring that something is properly cared for will kill your soul

This is what mentally damaged feminists HONESTLY think they believe.

>>2378871
>having this job with lots of free time is worse than working in an office with no free time

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>>2380750
I rather have a caring wife who tends to her children than successful independent working women who neglects her family

>>2381431
>not having a caring wife who goes to work instead of doing nothing all day and then comes home and parents when the kids are actually home

>>2378871
>spend the day at home, most of which is probably free if you child(ren) are school-age
>'no id rather be a wagecuck' and never see my kid and have them grow up hating me
Kids need somebody that can be there for them at any hour. There are thousands, or even millions, of middle class or under kids that can't do anything extracurricular because they only have one parent, or have two both both work. On the other hand, with better-off (both economically and psychologically) families, there's a mother or father that is free to encourage them.

I don't plan to work because I don't want my daughter to become a schoolslave that dreads waking up each day just to have another monotonous day. I don't want her to leave my home without a minute of extracurricular or community work.

Here's to the girl in the little red shoes, she likes to party, she likes to booze. She lost her cherry, but thats no sin, she kept the box the cherry came in!

>>2376147

If working in factories was desirable we wouldn't have seen such a shift to white-collar jobs to begin with.

All those factory workers who you assert love their jobs used their money to try to get their educated so that they wouldn't have to work at those shitty factory jobs.

>>2376449

What you don't understand that the reason WHY trade jobs pay so much is because no one wants to fucking do them. Wages wax and wane with the available labor pool.

If even half of those "city slicker librals" you're referring too jumped into trade work, your pay and the pay of everyone around you would drop.

>>2380463

The sheepherder couldn't even read. What the fuck are you babbling about?

>>2374706
When objects and pleasure became more important than children and family.

>>2381431
What a god damned waste.

>>2381584
She wasn't that great in the first place.

>>2381465
>If working in factories was desirable we wouldn't have seen such a shift to white-collar jobs to begin with.
wut
White collar jobs emerged out of economic necessity, not because workers wanted to sit behind a desk all day. Desk jobs suck, remember that old Hollywood canard about the dedicated cop who doesn't want to wind up stuck behind some desk all day?

It exists for a reason.

>>2381584
>>2381591
How much longer until your perm is finished?

>>2381591
That doesn't make it any less of a waste.
Just because a chair is shitty doesn't mean it isn't a waste of a perfectly good chair if someone were to smear shit all over it.

>>2381597
>Desk jobs suck

They are a lot better than factory jobs anon.

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>>2376443
>Women don't think. They're the slave gender. They do whatever they're told
>Feminists control the narrative

>They're inferior and can't do anything!
>BUT THEY CONTROL EVERYTHING!
You have to go back.

>>2381601
Have you ever really been so far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

>>2378817
>>2380909
>>2381025
Parents or primary guardians ought to be paid to raise kids, all memes aside. It is unquestionably labor and clearly expecting people to submit to biology isn't doing fuck all for the birthrates in first-world countries.

>>2381625
I'm sorry, I shouldn't have distracted you. Apparently too much heat fried your skull while you were gossiping with your lady friend.

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>>2381617
Just because a retard has a gun doesn't make him any less retarded. Ask yourself what would happen if women suddenly lost the mindcontrol hack they have between their legs.

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>>2381025
But why not? If we assume "motherhood" as being a valid career choice, why isn't "fatherhood"?

If a woman were competent in her job and perfectly capable of supporting her family with her own income, while her husband stayed at home and spent his day instilling virtue in his children, how is that an immoral arrangement?

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>>2381645
>pointing out that it's a waste when a young women has her mind shredded by our dysfunctional society to the point she mutilates herself with tattoos and a deliberately shitty haircut
>clearly this means I must be a woman
Is this some new trolling technique?

>>2381650
>what would happen if women suddenly lost the mindcontrol hack they have between their legs
It would move to the wallet or whatever shiny object to keep the cattle in line.
>>2381663
Ok then, how do you make it more shiny?

>>2375395
>Women in educatiion is also a meme job. Women have been caught giving better grades to girls in their classes than boys. We're not talking about meme bias that somehow causes girls to not like traditionally make subjects. I'm talking about female teachers grading boys more harshly than girls. This could either be malicious or women just holding males to a higher standard themselves.

holy shit dude
nice anecdotes, ALL women ever in teaching are now corrupt and evil man haters

>>2381656
Fatherhood is a perfectly valid career choice, the problem is you have the duties of fatherhood confused with those of motherhood.

Can a man breastfeed?
No?
Then he's an inferior substitute of primary stay at home parent for an infant child because he's entirely reliant upon modern convenience in order to perform the duty he volunteered for.

>>2381689
>Then he's an inferior substitute of primary stay at home parent for an infant child
How about a toddler?
A child?
A teenager with algebra homework and karate classes?

>he's entirely reliant upon modern convenience in order to perform the duty he volunteered for.
implying women aren't.
implying you wouldn't want a washing machine and a dish washer taking all the bitch-work out of domestic duties and life would somehow be better if we did without these modern conveniences

>>2381708
Sure, a father can care for a child past breast-feeding age. However, that doesn't fit the tradition.

Imagine a couple from a few hundred years ago, the father is a blacksmith or some other long-hours and possibly away-from-home job. They have a baby, and of course the mother has to breast feed it, and thus care for it.

When the child is past the age that it needs to be breast-fed, the father could care for it and the mother could weave or something, but the father is already stuck working a job that he is trained in and probably inherited from his father, probably already has an established reputation, while the mother has none and at most would be taught how to weave by her mother but would not have any professional experience in it.

How would you reckon the mother take over as the breadwinner?

>>2375395

I work in a private hospital, so I don't see much of that. I know most of the wardies are male and they work bloody hard. I also know the most of the RN's are lazy as shit and just want me to make all their beds and shower all of their patients. There is one of me and 30 patients to a ward. They can eat a bag of dicks.

>>2381798
Why do you talk about circumstances of the role in the past, some 100+ years ago, when trying to justify the role for the present?

>>2382801
not him but,
>the father is already stuck working a job that he is trained in and probably inherited from his father, probably already has an established reputation, while the mother has none.

even ignoring biology

>>2382842
And that applies to every modern person ever? If not, why talk about this specific case that is biased towards your side?

I can make up some bullshit case where only the father can stay at home, too.

>>2378761
>>2374823
HR is arguably meme job, but PR definitely isn't. It was created by the free market, because large companies will provide PR as a service to other companies.

Having a good PR as a company is incredibly important, i don't understand why this is so hard to understand...

>>2382872
HR is definitely not a meme job

if they really were dead weight they wouldn't be nearly ubiquitous among companies. There's a lot of coordinating and paperwork that goes into hiring, training, and maintaining staff and who's going to take care of it all without an HR manager? the CEO?

Those anons clearly don't know what the fuck they are talking about and have never actually worked in the private sector because they're painting with moronically broad strokes and making sweeping and retarded generalizations

>>2382801
Because traditions continue regardless of whether they are necessary. Also, the mother in this awful work environment would need a history of work and probably a college education, which also requires time.

>>2374791

Because of woman entering the workforce.

>>2383279

HR is an insurance policy against employee disputes that could turn into lawsuits.

>>2374802
>You need me to help carry that? Sorry I'm weaker than at least 90% of men.

Are you absolutely retarded? Nigga most women who go and stay in military won't be assigned to squads where considerably heavy things or considerable weight in general has to be carried over a (longer) course of time, because their physical strength simply can't keep up with other male soldiers. Most of the time it's not because they don't want to or try balling out.

>>2374823
>nursing and teaching are meme jobs made up just to suit women!
Godo to know /pol/ is still stacked with idiots who don't know shit about gender roles and the different effects men and women give to their surroundings.

>>2374706
Money. You know how capitalism is about progress and, consequently, also raises everyone's standard of living? Those standards of living aren't cheap, a kid is annoying, takes a lot of your time and your money to be raised propely. the fact it's mostly men the ones who die in war doesn't help either. I mean, would you what to stay home all day doing housework and taking care of the kids? I sure as hell wouldn't

>>2384994
So how does the third world do it in poverty?

>>2385003
they make do with whatever they have
Hell, both my grandmother (73) and her sisters (the one I lived with is 81 now) worked outside and took care of their kids by themselves
t. not so poor third worlder