Turks? Unanswered questions. >were they always raiders? >what's

>>2365725

Wouldn't call the Ottomans or Seljuks* tribes. They were more like Empires. Oh wait, they actually were empires. I'd call you an idiot, but I'll just assume that you're uninformed and that's the reason you're asking. But the Names of these groups were Dynasties that eventually became society's. Turks are where they are from/ their ethic background just as Saxons are from saxon, irish from Ireland and So on.

The rest I know not much on. They were very significant in the times of the crusades as well as what some call the middle civilizations between asia and europe. Once trade was established Europe and Asia would never be the same. You could give them credit for the exploration to the New world and birth of exploration and colonialism.

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>>2365923
>You could give them credit for the exploration to the New world and birth of exploration and colonialism.

>Horseriding central asian nomads decide to bumfuck the rest of Eurasia every couple of centuries or so
>Some of them manage to conquer a wide swathe of the middle east under their leader, Seljuk
>His descendants wreck the Byzantines and migrate into Anatolia
>They begin to mass convert the local populace and educate them in turkish language
>Generations of interbreeding later
>Osman inherits a tiny beylik after the collapse of the Seljuk empire
>Proceeds to eat away at the Byzantines, who are long in decay by this point
>His descendants, then known as the Ottoman dynasty, proceed to BTFO the other beyliks, the remnants of byzantium, serbia, bosnia, albania, hungary, the mamluks etc etc

>>2365935

Yeah definitely. Both directly and indirectly. With the fall of Constantinople, you have a demand to find new trade routes outside of the classic ones, that are now in hostile hands. I'm talking about the sailing to America of course. That's ithe indirect. But as for the Direct, how do you think these explorers were getting to unknown places without any idea where the heck they were going? Islamic astronomy and navigation fueled the necessary means to be able to travel across an entire ocean without getting completely lost.

Christianity didn't just steal these teachings from islam it was in the leadt literal sense traded. Once trade was established between Islam and Christian lands ideas spread like wildfire.

Also such things like colonialsim can be referenced to Turkish Coffee. They were the first to trade it and as it spread so did they want to make it a commodity. Coffee plantations all across south america still exists and it all started with the Turks.

>>2365935
>Anatolia
>birthplace of the Indo-European race
>Indo-European race
So this is the power of Greek education...

>>2365725
>were they always raiders?
No, they also had some pretty impressive empires. Usually founded by raiders.

>>what's their origin story?
>Be central Asian nomads
>Arabs and Persians want us to convert to Islam
>Do it
>Seljuk invades Persia sometime later
>His descendants also invade Anatolia
>Establish Sultanate of Rum (like Rome, not like the drink that's haram)
>It collapses
>Bunch of little Turkish lords pop up in the area
>One is run by a guy named Osman
>Little Turkish realms are pretty much bigger than the actual Byzantine Empire by this point
>Osman and his descendants conquer the other Turkish, Greek and Slavic lords in Anatolia and the Balkans
>His dynasty was named after himself and was written in the west as Ottoman. And since Muslim empires tend to be named after their ruling dynasty his became the Ottoman Empire
>500 years later
>Collapses
>Guy named Ataturk shows up
>Turns the Ottoman Empire into a nationalist republic called Turkey rather than a multicultural empire

>>why did they convert to islam so quickly?
Because their rich as fuck Persian neighbours neighbours were Muslim. Since their Turkish subjects were converting to Islam and they wanted to make ruling easier whilst also making closer ties with the Persians and Arabs converting to Islam was a no-brainer.

>>what were the differences in their tribes? Seljeks,ottomans, , ...?
Those aren't tribes. Those are dynasties.

>>2366046
>With the fall of Constantinople, you have a demand to find new trade routes outside of the classic ones, that are now in hostile hands
This is a myth that's largely rooted in the idea that the middle-ages was a quasi-cold war between Christianity and Islam.

Except the Spanish didn't need to directly trade with the Ottomans. The Venetians did all that for them. The reason they wanted to find new routes to India was because with the fall of Granada (who gave them African goods as tribute) the Portuguese had a virtual monopoly on the trade of African goods like ivory and west African gold in Europe. They wanted to compete with the Portuguese, not boycott the Islamic world.

>>2365935
that pic is the literal meaning of butthurt

>>2366297
While you're right about the myth, the Spanish were mostly interested in finding tropical lands that would be suitable for plantations so that they could grow their own exotic spices in order to be able to compete against the Venetian monopoly. Spain, being beholden to Genoa finance, wasn't very involved with Venetian trade to begin with, while Portugal went out of its way to break into Indian Ocean trade and undercut Venice nearer to the source.

>>2366287
>>why did they convert to islam so quickly?
tengri faith didnt have enough holy sites to reformize itself.

>were they always raiders?
yes and they still are
>what's their origin story?
the usual, a hoarde of barbarians from the wastes destroying all in their path
>why did they convert to islam so quickly?
they are easily impressionable, though being a simple people they don't take it as seriously as other muslims
>what were the differences in their tribes? Seljeks,ottomans, , ...?
about as much difference as there is between mexican cartels or the crips and bloods

>>2365923
You call him an idiot but you wrote fucking drivel a 12 year old kid playing Age of Empires could have thought of.
You didn't even write Saxony correctly.

>>2365725
Turks invade persia, seljuks conquer anatolia, seljuks balkanize when the mongols cone mongoling, the ottoman dynasty conquers the other former seljuks. The ottomans become an empire

>>2365725
Raiding always was a thing in turkish cukture so even when our ancestors settled they still raided the hit out of their neghbours.

Also our mythical origin story goes like this:
>chinese massacre all the turks
>only one little baby is left
>chinese commander feels sorry so he cuts of the babies arma and legs but lets it still live
>the wolf asena comes along and takes care of the child
>he grows up
>they mate
>first new turks are born

The rest is like other anons told you seljuk and ottoman are dynasty names which of the founders of each empire.
Also the ottoman dynasty comes from the kayı tribe but both seljuks and ottomans are from the oghuz branch of turks same with azeris and turkmenis.
Also we introduced coffee and a primitive form of vaccination to europe.

Can Mamluks, Safavids and Mughals be considered as Turkic empires?

>>2367428
I wouldn't, save for maybe the Mamluks. Hardly anyone considers the Ayyubid Sultanate a Kurdish state, even if it was ruled by ethnic Kurds.

>>2365923
> I'd call you an idiot, but I'll just assume that you're uninformed and that's the reason you're asking

People who speak like this should be herded into gas chambers

>>2366046
>Christianity didn't just steal these teachings from islam
Islam was a heresy of Christianity bruh.

>>2367428
Mamelukes definitely.
The real ruling body of it were turkics.