Why did the Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands (SPD) be

>>2346859
Because SocDems are class traitors and always have been.

>>2346859
>communists chimping out and potentially making the post-war condition worse
>trying to restore order
>gets called as class traitors
You far-leftists are all ungrateful fucks. You always have.

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>>2346874
The Ruhr valley and Bavaria were doing just fine under their own communist leadership. They were forcefully reintegrated back into the Weimar republic against the will of the common people.

>>2346864
I dont see why they wouldn't have carried out the revolution and then assured the SPD a certain number of seats in a new parliament or something.

>>2346874
Commie edgelords only call it gommunism if it involves edgy trashcan kicking autist shit in the streets
Peaceful transitions and political order is "siding with le fascists XD"

>>2346859
Because it would led to a civil war like in Russia. SPD practically saved Germany.

>>2346879
Because the commies were the ACTUAL traitors. If a region singlehandedly decides to separate unconstitutionally then it's a SEPARATISM. The State has any right to restore order because it might turn into a shitfest civil war.

>>2346891
Bavarian right-wing separatism was also popular during the 1920s. It's not like the communists were the only 'traitors'.

>>2346891
So you dont believe in the right to self determination? interesting
>>2346884
strawman
>>2346886
Why did Germany have to stay united as a single, capitalist nation? The excesses of the 20s led to the economic downturn of the 30s which allowed fascists to take control, and the fascists had very little real opposition because of the leftist purging after WW1. If you're a literal nazi just dont bother replying thanks.

>>2346901
>So you dont believe in the right to self determination? interesting
It's not a self-determination at all. It's separatism. It didn't represent the general will of the German people.

>>2346901
>because of the leftist purging after ww1
It was because Thalmann was a fucking retard and Stalin's puppet. It's impossible to work with someone who calls every not-communist left-wing party social fascists.

>>2346915
>It's not a self-determination at all
It was a organic and spontaneous republic which rejected the central authority of the Weimar republic. Why would people living in Berlin represent the will of the people living in the Ruhr? Germany was 50-60 years old at this point as a nation. It had been fragmented states and kingdoms for over 500 years.
>>2346925
So what you're saying is the communist factions should have allied with the SPD? The SPD showed that they were agents of the establishment though

>>2346930
The communists were the agents of Moscow. And we all know how communism 'worked' there.

>>2346938
Nah there were moderate factions opposed to the comintern/Stalinist factions

See: luxemburgism

>>2346859
Social democrats are fascist-lite

>>2346946
Luxemburgism was pretty much dead by 1930.

>>2346956
we're talking about 1918-1921 here though

>>2346930
>Why would people living in Berlin represent the will of the people living in the Ruhr?
Because the social contract. You need to uphold the Law and its transgressions. Also,
>being marxist
>using the concept 'organic' unironically
Are you one of those retarded Negri drones? lol

>>2346962
>and its transgressions
*and crush its transgressions.

>>2346962
No i dont follow negri. I just meant that it wasn't artificial like a soviet created in Central Asia for people that dont speak russian by bureaucrats in moscow.

Whatever you say, man. I dont think proclaiming independence with the support of the common people constitutes a crime because I support the right to national self-determination. They should have run a plebiscite in the ruhr valley but you're a fascist so you support their violent repression.

>try to violently overthrow a democratic government
>get capped
>still crying we was oppressed n shit muh luxembourg nearly a century later

Are commies the greatest dindu nuffins in history?

They actually got off pretty light and deserved far worse, you should be grateful they didn't end up like the KPD leader with 11 years of solitary confinement and daily torture before finally getting put down in 1944

>>2346987
The Weimar republic was not a democratic expression of the will of the German people. It was a jewish influenced buffer state against the soviet union

>>2347023
Except SPD was much more popular than the communists. The workers wanted them as their leaders.

Daily reminder that the SPD would have prevented both world wars if they'd been allowed to run things and left alone.

>>2346975
>If I agree with it, its lawful self-determination
>If I don't its treasonous separatism
Really makes you think

>>2347041
Daily reminder that Stalin was still around and it would have been worse.

Fucking youngsters who haven't played Red Alert 1, fuck's sake.

>>2347047
I never called anything treasonous separatism?

>>2347052
Joke's on you, I was just too incompetent to beat the campaign.

>>2346900
There was one crucial difference: right-wing separatists didn't start a civil war.

>>2347127
they started the nazi party and got germany destroyed

>>2347145
Nazism is not right-wing. It's actually centre-left nationalism.

>>2347159
Its authoritarian and traditionalist as well. Just because they had social welfare programs and state capitalism doesnt mean they're leftists.

>>2347069
>not just playing skirmishes
You deserved it

>>2347145
Conservative nationalists were also nazi ideological enemies
They were b& from parliament as soon as they got to power and persecuted when they outlived their usefullness

>>2347177
every single party but the nazi party was banned from the parliament. it was a complete consolidation of control. These nationalists then went on to join the ranks of the nazi party

>>2347180
>These nationalists then went on to join the ranks of the nazi party
Well everyone did Sherlock
It was either that or trip to the Auschwitz holiday inn
Conservatives like Schacht, Adenauer or Von Papen were quickly thrown underthe bus when no longer needed

>>2347216
The entire SA was thrown under the bus when they were no longer useful. Hitler was a sociopath.

Anyway I think my original point still stands that the SPD played themselves by destroying the hard leftist elements in the country paving the way for the eventual purge of democratic socialism from german society.

(maybe they're so autistic they're crypto facsists and wanted ethnic socio-nationalism to come about)

>>2347226
>democratic socialism
Isn't that just a buzzword for trotskyist edgelord pothead wannabes?

>>2347231
no most western countries are democratic socialist like canada, sweden, germany etc.

>>2347226
>Hitler was a sociopath
fuck off animal hater

>>2347244
No, that is social democracy like SPD
Democratic socialism is Die Linke, Syriza, et al
Commies in denial who think being a commie is too mainstream

>>2347252
Just look at the map where Die Linke polls the most. Makes me think
>>2347249
i'm a bit of a misanthrope myself but i would never hurt innocents

>>2347252
>>2347244
social democracy and democratic socialism advocate for the same fucking thing and you're deluded LARPers if you've tricked yourself otherwise

>trusting fabians
>ever

>>2347273
Social democrats are champagne socialists
Democratic socialists are smelly pothead edgelords
Learn the difference it could save your life