Which battle was the worst in history? Which one would you least

"Worst" in what way? Is the second sentence a follow up question, or helping to define the first?

I'd want to avoid any number of sea battles, as drowning is something I have a particular aversion to.

Probably the gas attacks of WW I trench warfare would be high on my list as well.

WWI was where everyone went from "war is great" to "war is hell"

WWI would be the obvious answer, but at least those guys were in leather boots and wool coats.

My vote goes to any fight against Mongolians in early Russia. Cold, miserable, no modern medicines or material. If you survive the battle, you die anyway.

>>2339760
The second sentence is a definition.

Modern; Stalingrad


Medieval; Battle of Kulikovo, over 100 000 dead Mongols and Russians within a few hours


Ancient; Battle of Vercellae

I'm too sleepy to come up with an actual definitive answer, but having brainstormed a real quick list, it's pretty funny how about 75% of my top candidates took place in Russia, and a further 15% took place somewhere near that general vicinity.

Seriously how are they still a country.

>>2339730
Uncle told stories about Byкoвap. Not the nicest of places.

Somme or Verdun

wait in a trench and wait for artillery to kill you, or poke your head out and get shot

>>2339730
The "Battle" of Hiroshima

Anything involving accidentally getting blindsided by Mother Nature, and neither sides commanders is backing off.

>>2339730

Probably Verdun or Rzhev

>>2339780
WWI in some jungle or desert specifically

>>2339760

i guess the worst battle in terms of fighting condition,so ww1 as a whole is already high up that list.

>>2339950
You might only be aware of a bomb going off for like a minute or less though

>>2339967

Gallipoli was a shitshow,but do you men the ww1 stalemate in those conditions?flanders was already an espcially muddy and awful sector to be in.

>>2339970
Or you might live on in agony for months...

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Early submarine warfare must have been pretty scary. Imagine losing power deep underwater as the ship is filled with ocean water.

>>2339977
Yeah true, guess the later is obviously what was being referred to

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>>2339730
Stalingrad.

>>2339730
Stalingrad by far, with the life expectancy for an average soldier of either side to be less than 24 hours, or 4-5 days if you were a lower-ranked officer.

nonstop bombing for 5 months, surrounded by the enemy no matter what side you were on at some point. temperatures dropping like a rock from November onwards, the city was the definition of a living hell.

>>2339997
not true

sino-japanese war as a chinese soldier

>>2340162
What isn't true about his comment?

>>2340211
the average soldier surviving less than 24 hours

That would mean every single day would be a different set of soldiers.

>>2340238
Indeed, this could not possibly have been true during the whole course of the battle.

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>>2340238
Doesn't seem far from the truth. The Germans were losing over 1,000 men a day in Stalingrad (killed, not wounded) at one point. I think in one week alone they lost 20,000 soldiers there.

>>2340248
out of how many?

>>2340248
How would losing 1000 men a day translate to 24 hr life expectancy for the 500,000+ who were there?

>>2340162
If you want a source on where I got that factoid from, here:

http://siberiantimes.com/other/others/features/the-average-lifetime-of-a-soldier-coming-to-stalingrad-front-was-24-hours-just-one-day/

It's worth noting that they're talking about the City proper where it was a constant stream of soldiers into the meat grinder daily, not including the encirclement maneuvers of Operation Uranus.

>>2340303
he says coming to the front, is that like crossing the volga or something?

>>2340248
That was towards the end when the encirclement was closing in an they were receiving barely any supplies. September~November they weren't losing 1000 a day on average.

>>2339984
this is absolutely terrifying to me. Can't do shit but your one specific task and hope that you don't get your shit fucked by a million things that could go wrong.

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>>2339730

>>2339730
Any edgy Chinese garbage

Specifically Suiyang

>>2339730
Cannae as a Roman.

>>2339730
Stalingrad
Leningrad
Somme
Verdun

Special OG mention to Cannae and Lake Trasimene.

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>>2339730


Probably Borodino or Austerlitz


> Austerlitz (2 December 1805)
> A famous episode occurred during the retreat: Russian forces that had been defeated by the French right withdrew south towards Vienna via the Satschan frozen ponds. French artillery pounded towards the men, and the ice was broken due to the bombardment. The men drowned in the cold ponds, dozens of Russian artillery pieces going down with them.


> Borodino (7 September 1812)
> According to French General Staff Inspector P. Denniee, the Grande Armée lost approximately 28,000 soldiers: 6,562 (including 269 officers) were reported as dead, 21,450 as wounded. But according to French historian Aristid Martinien, at least 460 French officers (known by name) were killed in battle. In total, the Grande Armée lost 1,928 officers dead and wounded, including 49 generals.
> Suffering a wound on the Borodino battlefield was effectively a death sentence, as French forces did not possess enough food for the healthy, much less the sick. The actual French Army casualty count was 34,000–35,000.


> Some 52,000 Russian troops were reported as dead, wounded or missing

>>2339996
Why do so many of them have their pants around their ankles? Was this a mass rape as well as killing of prisoners?

Napoleaon's retreat from russia. I think Nap. left france with 350,000 troops and returned with under 50,000.

On retreat they had to march through a Russian winter for thosands of miles while being picked off from the cold, stravation, and cossacks.

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>>2341969
Could be a case of Paradoxial Undressing, where people will try to take off their clothes before death from hypothermia, because they feel as if they're burning up when in fact they're freezing.

>>2341892
>> A famous episode occurred during the retreat: Russian forces that had been defeated by the French right withdrew south towards Vienna via the Satschan frozen ponds. French artillery pounded towards the men, and the ice was broken due to the bombardment. The men drowned in the cold ponds, dozens of Russian artillery pieces going down with them.

To be honest there are a lot of worse ways to go than drowning in cold water.

Any protracted siege as the defender.

>>2342071
I watch Archer too!

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>>2339970
Don't look into the light.

>>2339950
>not wanting to literally experience getting nuked as you leave this world

>>2342123
I heard Stalingrad was pretty comfy.

>>2342155
Paradoxial undressing is a real thing.

>>2342213
This. The ultimate way to go. Vapourized by the Atom

Probably Verdun.

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>>2342453
Probably not

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The battle of the frontiers, bro. At least for the French.

The horror.

>>2342213
>>2342441
Most deaths from a nuclear explosion would be due to structural collapse.

>>2342295
face it, we both learned about it from Archer.

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>>2342465
t. deluded self-important cucknadian

Verdun was thousands times worse than Passchendaele in every way

>>2342657
Hyperbole,Not an argument

Twice as many shells fell at passendale in half the amount of time (on average 5 a second)

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How do you go from this..

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>>2342696
...to this

>>2342678
Very doubtful unsourced statement of your invention
Verdun had over 200 millions shells fired during the battle and is well known to have the record in that regard for WW1

>worst in history
I don't know. This is kind of ambiguous. Stalingrad comes to mind.

>leave have wanted to fight in
As devastating as modern technology is, I'd probably choose a classical or medieval battle. I think getting locked into melee would be much worse than being shot at (assuming I'm just some random pleb soldier).

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>>2342698

>>2339984

Normally the pressure would crush the sub in an instant. You wouldn't feel anything.

>>2342208

7/10 still fuckable

Would rape as Allied occupation soldier.

>>2342657
Now now, passchendaele is pretty much the only historical event that Canada can lay its claim on so they playing it up is hardly surprising.

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>>2339730

1991 Persian Gulf War as an Iraqi

>Get incinerated by F-14s dropping laser guided bombs
>Be blown to Kingdom Come by 16 inch shell from Iowa-class Battleship
>Get atomized by Deplete Uranium HEAT round from an Abrams tank
>Get Hellfired by AH-64 Apache
>Be decapitated by M2 Bradley's Bushmaster cannon manned by a soon-to-be infamous domestic terrorist (I'll let you figure out who I'm referring to)
>Be shot dead in pitch black darkness by highly trained 82nd Airborne paratroopers wearing NVGs after they dropped behind our lines
>Be captured, turned back over to Iraqi government at war's end and executed by Saddam for not fighting to the death

All of this and I don't even get to SEE a single American soldier, let alone get to experience the pleasure of just shooting back at him.

>>2342630
>he doesn't know about the Dyatlov Pass incident

>>2343314
Iran-Iraq war was worse

WW1 western front for sure.

>Slowly bleeding out and drowning in an ocean of barbed wire, mud, and screams

>>2339730
battle of cannae or ww1 trench warfare.

>>2339730
"The cold wrapped slowly around his fingers, the warmth of his body swelling in his chest. He couldn't feel his legs anymore. He had her picture clasped in his hand, he could hear the soviets screaming their 'hurah', close to his position. He thought of the warm southern forest where he had first kissed her. He heard a friend cry out for mercy and a shot ring out. He looked down at the torn remnants of his legs, thinking of his father plowing the fields, back turned, sad to see him leave for his basic training. He now knew why his father didn't want him to go.
This wasn't his fathers war, this was his and he had lost. His soul leaving now, the sun hid behind some winter clouds. He felt the picture flutter from his grip, the plains winds picking it up and carry it away towards the Urals. He saw his mother, and she was cooking him breakfast. He was home."

>>2342657
>>2342696
>>2342698
>star "forts"

>>2339905
Can u tell more,i am interested

>>2343432
where is it from?

>>2343356
not really, the iraqis got btfo in a month in the gulf war compared to 8 years of stalemate in the iraq-iran war

>>2339905
What is Byкoвap.

>>2341969
>>2342071
Russians didn't have enough winter gear so they looted some from their comrades as soon as they fell.

>>2339730
The one Im most likely to die in.

>>2341969
Overpressure from being caught in artillery. Many of the corpses were probably dragged there as well.

Passchendale, Verdun, Stalingrad off top of me head.

>>2342630
Not him i did learn about it from tv but from QI, Some people in Antarctica i believed they used as an example.

There is nothing wrong with learning things from anywhere, even an animated comedy show.

>>2342630
I got it from the movie Everest

Would suck pretty bad to be the Baltic Fleet at Tsushima

>>2343967
>Overpressure from being caught in artillery.
Explain?

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>>2343954
It's actually the opposite. The Germans had a severe lack of winter gear, and often stole boots and whatnot off dead Russians.

Cannae, Nineveh, Tenochtitlan or Verdun. They are all exceedingly awful for different reasons so it's hard to pick a number 1 worst.

>>2343748
i looked at the picture and wrote it lol

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Suomussalmi and Raate road.

>>2343314
>infamous domestic terrorist
definitely mcveigh

Ypres/Passchendaele
Verdun

>>2339730
My votes would be for Stalingrad, Verdun, the Marne, or any battle on the eastern front in late WWI

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The battle of Aspern-Essling in 1809 would take some beating for the title of bloodiest battle since half of the troops on both sides became casualties.
Battles of the Napoleonic Wars were horrible affairs. In modern terms, it would be like two armies marching to within 50 meters of each other and then each side opening up with sawed - off shotguns.

When the Austrian army finally lost its bottle,they withdrew and allowed 200+ cannon bombard the remaining french

>‘To the left of Essling the enemy planted 50 pieces of cannon in front of us, and two in front of the chasseurs [Et pied]. When the cannon balls fell on us they cut down three men at a time and knocked the bearskin caps twenty feet in the air. One ball struck a whole file and knocked them down head over heels on top of me!’

>>2339730
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ramree_Island

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>>2345784
I love soldiers testimonies from the Napoopan Wars
They're always very gore

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>>2346184

The Somme was pretty bad, as was Antietam, not sure there is anything worse than Stalingrad though.

>>2346207
The Somme was a softer Verdun

>>2346211
>Somme 1.1 million casualties in 5 months
>Verdun 1.1 million casualties in 11 months

I guess most of those 200 million shells at Verdun were duds

>>2346296
Verdun was much more intense despite involving less troops (and thus less casualties per month) as all the fighting was involved in a tiny area (while the Somme was a huge extended frontline)
There's a reason why French and Germans (who knew both the Somme and Verdun) both see Verdun as the worst battle of WW1

It had a greater number of casualties on total number troops ratio and a greater amount of death among the total number of casualties

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>>2346311
If this map is correct both battlefields were about the same size (15 mile front)

As for your anecdote, heres what a german officer said of the somme

>The Somme was the muddy grave of the German Field Army.

-Captain von Hentig of the Guards Reserve Division

>>2346346
both were hell, there is no point saying which was worse

Verdun and The Somme

>>2343863
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vukovar
Dunno why he typed it in cyrillic...

>>2346346
Nice anecdote, but Verdun is srill seen as the worst battle of the war here in Germany

Even a century later, the impact this battle left on our nation is still remembered
We have many movies and documentaries on it every now and then
Here's a good one (sorry it's in German):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b9Wu-WgB04

Meanwhile, the Somme is much less heard of
Only on the English speaking internet I see people obsess over it (probably because of deluded brits)

>>2339730
>Which battle was the worst in history?
All of them were bad except to the suicidal, don't-give-a-crap people
>Which one would you least have wanted to fight in?
The one where I get killed or wounded, maimed and in pain, crippled or ...

>>2341969
could be artillery, being dragged, and probably the most common reason: people looting bodies and thus ripping up/rooting through clothing

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Any where there was a fear of dying at any day.

Long drawn out battles too.

Stalingrad was just 5-6 months but being stuck in the city must have been hell. Not just the fear of the bombs or getting shot but from freezing or starving. All your family and friends dying must be hard on your morale as well for the soldiers whose family's couldn't evacuate.

>>2346780
Gallipoli and flanders is all you hear about as an Australian. Maybe ypres if you're well read.

There was a recurring theme of the Australians being far inferior in firepower, manpower etc but for some reason they did considerably well with jam tin explosives and willpower.

Why was verdun a particularly knarly one?

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Battle of the Marshes in the Iran/Iraq war

The Iraqis flooded a lake filled it with land mines, barb wire and live high voltage electrical wiring. With attack helicopters hunting down any Iranian troops they see trudging through the marsh. On top of that there was the mustard gas

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>>2339730
Cannae should take the spot. Imagine being a Roman soldier squeezed and suffocated to death by your own ranks because Barbarians surround your army and push forward

>108 posts in
>no Emu War
I'm disappoint

>>2347077
yeah, when soldiers start killing themselves that is a pretty good sign they want out

>>2347093
Nor was there a Kettle war.

Imagine what the soldiers that grew up in stalingrad experienced.

Modern, Ypres, Verdun, Stalingrad

Ancient, Cannae for sure, Romans burying their heads in the ground to suffocate themselves rather than be cut down by Carthaginians

>>2342698

fucking unreal

try to imagine what that must have looked like while it was happening

>>2344103

an explosion pushes air. this is called a shockwave. Small ones may knock off your clothes, big ones may smash you to the ground and break your bones

>>2347564
Likely few saw it, it isnt very safe to have your head out from between your knees during heavy bombardment
Also, imagine what it must have been like to be under bombardment like that, in a hole in the ground, trying to make yourself as small as possible, just knowing that the next explosion could kill you. over and over and over and over again for months on end

>>2339996
>Being forced into suicidal charges with 1/3 ratio of men/firearms
>Meaning you had to wait for a comrade to die and take his rifle while trying to dodge fucking bullets
>If you tried to retreat back there were SOVIET artillery posts ready to mince you in the spot
Truly horrifying shit

>>2347604
>posting the exact same shitpost from a different thread
Truly horrifying shit

>>2347149
>The machine-gunners' dreams of point blank fire into serried masses of Emus were soon dissipated. The Emu command had evidently ordered guerrilla tactics, and its unwieldy army soon split up into innumerable small units that made use of the military equipment uneconomic. A crestfallen field force therefore withdrew from the combat area after about a month.[11]
>After the withdrawal, Major Meredith compared the emus to Zulus and commented on the striking maneuverability of the emus, even while badly wounded.
>After the withdrawal, Major Meredith compared the emus to Zulus and commented on the striking maneuverability of the emus, even while badly wounded.
>If we had a military division with the bullet-carrying capacity of these birds it would face any army in the world... They can face machine guns with the invulnerability of tanks.
>They are like Zulus whom even dum-dum bullets could not stop.[15]If we had a military division with the bullet-carrying capacity of these birds it would face any army in the world... They can face machine guns with the invulnerability of tanks. They are like Zulus whom even dum-dum bullets could not stop.[15]
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