Don't mind me, just using /his/ as a notepad to figure out

Teutomer: 302 (Gaul) - 363 (Gaul)

General to emperor Julian the Apostate

Issue:
- Flavius Richomeres
- Flavius Bauto

Flavius Richomeres: 335 (Toxandria, Gaul) - 393 (Dalmatia, Illyria), murdered
firstborn son of Teutomer

- Comes
- Magister militum of Gaul
- Consul of Rome

Issue:
- Theodemer
- Ildegond

Theodemer: 374 (Xaintonge, Gaul) - 421 (Rome, Italy), executed
firstborn son of Richomeres and Ascyla

King of the Franks at Therouanne

Issue:
- Chlodio Longhair
- Basina of Saxony
- Chlodegar
- Blesinde of Therouanne
- Clovis the Riparian

Chlodio Longhair: 395 (Cologne, Gaul) - 448 (Cambrai, Gaul)
firstborn son of Theodemer and Blesinde of Cologne

King of the Salian Franks

Issue:
- Merovech
- Adelbert of Moselle
- Sigimaerus of Auvergne
- Cariaric
- Medelphus of Cologne
- Andelfida
- Alberica of Moselle

Merovech: 412 (Tournai, Gaul) - 456 (Tournai, Gaul)
firstborn son of Chlodio Longhair and Arnegonde of Basinden

King of the Salian Franks

Issue:
- Childeric I
- Siegbert
- Chlodwig

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Childeric I: 436 (Tournai, Gaul) - 481 (Tournai, Gaul)
firstborn son of Merovech and Verica

King of the Salian Franks

Issue:
- Clovis I
- Audoflede
- Lanthilde
- Alboflede

Clovis I: 466 (Pays Nantais, Gaul) - 511 (Paris, France)
firstborn son of Childeric I and Basina of Thuringia

- King of the Salian Franks
- King of the Franks

Issue:
- Theuderic I
- Ingomer
- Chlodomer
- Childebert I
- Chlothar I
- Clotilde

Theuderic I: 486 - 534 (Metz, France)
firstborn son of Clovis I and Evochilde

King of the Franks at Metz

Issue:
- Theudebert I
- Theudechild of Austrasia

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Theudebert I: 502 (Metz, France) - 548 (Metz, France)
firstborn son of Theuderic I and Suavegotha of Burgundy

King of the Franks at Reims

Issue:
- Theodebald
- Berthoara

Theodebald: 535 (Rhineland, France) - 555 (Austrasia, France)
firstborn son of Theudebert I and Deoteria of Narbonne

King of the Franks at Reims

No issue

Bump for interest

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- Ingomer: 493 (Reims, France) - 493 (Reims, France), secondborn son of Clovis I and Saint Clotilde, no issue
- Chlodomer: 495 (France) - 524 (Vézeronce-Curtin, France), thirdborn son of Clovis I and Saint Clotilde
- Theodebald, firstborn son of Chlodomer and Guntheuc of Burgundy, no issue
- Gunthar, secondborn son of Chlodomer and Guntheuc of Burgundy, no issue


Saint Clodoald: 522 - 560 (Novigentum, France)
thirdborn son of Chlodomer and Guntheuc of Burgundy

Abbot of Novigentum

No issue

Lol, you gonna end the thread by yourself and not even start with it.

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- Childebert I: 497 (Reims, France) - 558 (Paris, France), fourthborn son of Clovis I and Saint Clotilde, no male issue


Chlothar I the Old: 498 (Soissons, France) - 561 (Soissons, France)
fifthborn son of Clovis I and Saint Clotilde

- King of the Franks at Soissons
- King of the Franks at Orléans
- King of the Burgundians
- King of the Franks at Metz
- King of the Franks at Paris
- King of the Franks

Issue:
- Gunthar
- Childeric
- Charibert I
- Guntram
- Sigebert I
- Chilperic I
- Chlothsind
- Chram

Ah yes, they were all Germans. I see now.

>>2330573
>implying ""western"" ""civilization" has only one ruler
>implying that legitimacy isn't just the monopoly on violence

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>implying Western Civilizations is small or collectivist enough to be ruled by one man

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- Gunthar, no issue
- Childeric, no issue


Charibert I: 517 (Paris, France) - 567 (Paris, France)
thirdborn son of Chlothar I the Old and Ingund

King of the Franks at Paris

Issue:
- Saint Bertha of Kent
- Berteflede
- Clotilde
- Blithilde of Cologne
- Charibert of Hesbaye

Charibert of Hesbaye: 555 (Hesbaye, France) - 636 (Paris, France)
firstborn son of Charibert I and Ingoberga

Count

Issue:
- Robert I of Tours
- Aldebert
- Erlebert of Quernes

Robert I of Tours: 600 (Paris, France) - 695 (Tours, France)
firstborn son of Charibert of Hesbaye and Wulfgurd of Hesbaye

Bishop of Tours

Issue:
- Lambert of Hesbaye
- Saint Angadrisma

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- Lambert of Hesbaye, firstborn son of Robert I of Tours and Glismoda of Bavaria
- Robert II: 650 (Neustria, France) - 681 (Normandy, France), firstborn son of Lambert of Hesbaye and Chrotlind


Lambert of Hesbaye: 682 (Neustria, France) - 741 (Guyenne, France)
firstborn son of Robert II and Theodrade

Count of Hesbaye

Issue:
- Landrada of Hesbaye
- Robert I of Neustria
- Rotrude of Hesbaye

>>2331760
correction

- Referendary of France
- Majordomo of Burgundy
- Majordomo of Neustria
- Bishop of Paris
- Bishop of Tours

Robert I of Neustria: 697 - 764
firstborn son of Lambert of Hesbaye

- Count of Hesbaye
- Count of Worms and the upper Rhine
- Count palatine to Childeric III
- Missus dominicus to Italy
- Duke of Neustria

Issue:
- Thuringbert of Hesbaye
- Cancor of Hesbaye
- Anselm

Thuringbert of Hesbaye: 735 (Worms, France) - 770 (Worms, France)
firstborn son of Robert I of Neustria

Count of Hesbaye and Worms

Issue:
- Robert II of Hesbaye

>>2330573
How is any one person eligible to be the "ruler of Western civilization," presumably including Australia and the United States for example?

Robert II of Hesbaye: 770 - 807
firstborn son Thuringbert of Hesbaye

- Count of Hesbaye
- Count of Worms and the upper Rhine

Issue:
- Robert III of Hesbaye

>>2332275
All of Western civilisation has the same point of origin.

Robert III of Hesbaye: 800 (Rhineland, France) - 834
firstborn son of Robert II of Hesbaye and Theoderata of Worms

- Count of Hesbaye
- Count of Worms and the upper Rhine

Issue:
- Robert the Strong
- Odo of Troyes
- Guntram of Worms
- Adalhelm of Laon

>>2332351
Only it doesn't. There were peoples all over the "west", and had their own distinct civilizations.

Robert the Strong: 830 - 866 (Brissarthe, France)
firstborn son of Robert III of Hesbaye and Waldrada of Orléans

- Margrave of Neustria
- Count of Tours
- Count of Anjou
- Missus dominicus for Charles the Bald

Issue:
- Odo of France
- Robert I of France

>>2332375
So you're trying to say that Western civilisation doesn't exist? kek

>>2332386
Saying it had the same origin point implies an evolutionary model which is retarded. kek

>>2332390
So you're trying to say that Western civilisation doesn't exist.

Odo of France: 859 - 898 (La Fère, France)
firstborn son of Robert the Strong and Adelaide of Tours

- Count of Paris
- Margrave of Neustria
- Duke of France
- King of the Franks

No issue

>>2332390
I keep re-reading this sentence and still don't understand what the fuck you're trying to convey

>>2332419
>evolutionary model
"Many historians of postcolonial nation-states have adopted a linear, evolutionary history of the Enlightenment/colonial model. As a result, they have written repressive, exclusionary, and incomplete accounts."
"Duara offers a way out of the impasse between constructionism and the evolving nation; he redefines history as a series of multiple, often conflicting narratives produced simultaneously at national, local, and transnational levels. "

>>2332440
Except that's demonstrably false. Civilisations always have a point of origin. The Nile valley, the Indus valley, Mesopotamia, southern Greece, the Yucatan...

Robert I of France: 866 (Angers, France) - 923 (Soissons, France)
secondborn son of Robert the Strong and Adelaide of Tours

- Count of Poitiers
- Count of Paris
- Margrave of Neustria and Orléans
- King of the Franks

Issue:
- Hildebrant of France
- Adele of France
- Emma of France
- Hugh the Great

>>2332458

Keep going anon, I'm curious

>>2331270

>Germans

idiot

Hugh the Great: 898 (Paris, France) - 956 (Dourdan, France)
firstborn son of Robert I of France and Béatrice of Vermandois

- Count of Paris
- Margrave of Neustria
- Duke of the Franks
- Count of Auxerre

Issue:
- Beatrice of France
- Hugh Capet
- Emma of Paris
- Otto of Burgundy
- Odo-Henry of Burgundy

>>2332351
The Ethiopian plains from where humans come from? The sea from were life comes from?

>>2332477

How do you reckon Teutomer as the start?

Hugh Capet: 939 (Paris, France) - 996 (Paris, France)
firstborn son of Hugh the Great and Hedwige of Saxony

- Duke of the Franks
- King of the Franks

Issue:
- Gisèle of France
- Hedwig of France
- Robert II

>>2332497
The first few are backtracking to be fair. The real start is Clovis, first king of all the Franks, first Catholic king in the West, conqueror of the last piece of Western Rome, all that.

>>2332513

Ah, that makes sense then. I was wondering about how a random general was the start

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Robert II the Pious: 972 (Orléans, France) - 1031 (Melun, France)
firstborn son of Hugh Capet and Adelaide of Aquitaine

King of the Franks

Issue:
- Hedwig of Auxerre
- Hugh Magnus
- Henry I
- Adela of Flanders
- Robert I of Burgundy
- Odo of France
- Constance of France

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Hugh Magnus: 1007 - 1025 (Compiègne, France), firstborn son of Robert II and Constance of Arles


Henry I: 1008 (Reims, France) - 1060 (Vitry-aux-Loges, France)
secondborn son of Robert II and Constance of Arles

King of the Franks

Issue:
- Philip I
- Emma of France
- Robert of France
- Hugh of Vermandois

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Not the same anon who started this thread, but I'll arrive at his end point. If I calculated the claim's from Clovis to the present day under French Salic law, this guy here should be OP's ruler of Western civilization. Granted, the succession got a bit messy at points so this might be wrong

Philip I the Amorous: 1052 (Champagne-et-Fontaine, France) - 1108 (Melun, France)
firstborn son of Henry I and Anne of Kiev

King of the Franks

Issue:
- Constance of France
- Louis VI
- Henry of France
- Charles of France
- Odo of France
- Philip of Mantes
- Fleury of Nangis
- Cecile of France

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Louis VI the Fat: 1081 (Paris, France) - 1137 (Béthisy-Saint-Pierre, France)
firstborn son of Philip I and Bertha of Holland

King of the Franks

Issue:
- Philip of France
- Louis VII
- Henry of France
- Hugh of France
- Robert I of Dreux
- Peter I of Courtenay
- Constance of France
- Philip of France

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- Philip of France: 1116 - 1131 (Paris, France), firstborn son of Louis VI and Adélaide of Maurienne


Louis VII the Young: 1120 (Paris, France) - 1180 (Saint-Pont, Allier)
firstborn son of Louis VI and Adélaide of Maurienne

King of the Franks

Issue:
- Mary of Champagne
- Alix of France
- Margaret of France
- Alys of Vexin
- Philip II
- Agnes of France

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Philip II Augustus: 1165 (Gonesse, France) - 1223 (Mantes-la-Jolie, France)
firstborn son of Louis VII and Adèle of Champagne

- King of the Franks
- King of France

Issue:
- Louis VIII
- Robert of France
- Philip of France
- Mary of Brabant
- Philip I of Boulogne
- John-Tristan of France

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Louis VIII the Lion: 1187 (Paris, France) - 1226 (Montpensier, France)
firstborn son of Philip II and Isabelle of Hainaut

King of France

Issue:
- Blanche of France
- Philip of France
- Alphonse of France
- John of France
- Louis IX
- Robert I of Artois
- Philip of France
- John of Anjou and Maine
- Alphonse of Poitiers
- Philip Dagobert of France
- Saint Isabelle
- Stephen of France
- Charles I of Naples

Is this all correct?
I kinda want to put all that in a chart/timeline.

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- Philip of France: 1209 - 1218, firstborn son of Louis VIII and Blanche of Castile, no issue
- Alphonse of France: 1213 - 1213, secondborn son of Louis VIII and Blanche of Castile, no issue
- John of France: 1213 - 1213, thirdborn son of Louis VIII and Blanche of Castile, no issue


Saint Louis IX: 1214 (Poissy, France) - 1270 (Tunis, Ifriqiya)
fourthborn son of Louis VIII and Blanche of Castile

King of France

Issue:
- Blanche of France
- Isabella of Navarre
- Louis of France
- Philip III
- John of France
- John Tristan of Valois
- Peter I of Alençon
- Blanche of France
- Margaret of Brabant
- Robert of Clermont
- Agnes of Burgundy

>>2334577
Seems correct to me.

The only point that isn't completely certain is whether Lambert of Hesbaye was really the son of Robert II of Hesbaye, but historians agree that he most likely was, or otherwise his grandson.

I think this is the oldest known still existing line of patrilineal descent.

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- Louis of France: 1244 - 1260 (Paris, France), firstborn son of Louis IX and Margaret of Provence, no issue


Philip III the Bold: 1245 (Poissy, France) - 1285 (Perpignan, France)
secondborn son of Louis IX and Margaret of Provence

King of France

Issue:
- Louis of France
- Philip IV
- Robert of France
- Charles of Valois
- Louis of Évreux
- Blanche of Austria
- Margaret of England

>>2333005
What actually makes Orleans claim better than that that of the spanish Bourbons?
The head of the House of France is Louis Alphonse, duc d'Anjou

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- Louis of France: 1264 (Vincennes, France) - 1276 (Vincennes, France), poisoned, firstborn son of Philip III and Isabella of Aragon, no issue


Philip IV the Fair: 1268 (Fontainebleau, France) - 1314 (Fontainebleau, France)
secondborn son of Philip III and Isabella of Aragon

King of France

Issue:
- Margaret of France
- Louis X
- Blanche of France
- Isabella of France
- Philip V
- Charles IV
- Robert of France

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Louis X the Quarreler: 1289 (Paris, France) - 1316 (Vincennes, France)
firstborn son of Philip IV and Joan I of Navarre

- King of France
- King of Navarre

Issue:
- Joan II of Navarre
- John I

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John I the Posthumous: 1316 (Paris, France) - 1316 (Paris, France)
firstborn son of Louis X and Clemence of Hungary

King of France and Navarre

No issue

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Philip V the Tall: 1293 (Lyon, France) - 1322 (Longchamps, France)
secondborn son of Philip IV and Joan I of Navarre

King of France and Navarre

Issue:
- Joan III of Burgundy
- Margaret I of Artois
- Isabelle of France
- Blanche of France
- Philip of France

>>2330573

Yo this guy is actually gona figure it out.

I'm bumping with anticipation!

But nap.

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- Philip of France: 1316 - 1317, firstborn son of Philip V and Joan of Burgundy, no issue


Charles IV the Fair: 1294 (Clermont, France) - 1328 (Vincennes, France)
thirdborn son of Philip IV and Joan I of Navarre

King of France and Navarre

Issue:
- Philip of France
- Joan of France
- Louis of France
- Joan of France
- Mary of France
- Blanche of Orléans

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- Philip of France: 1314 - 1322, firstborn son of Charles IV and Blanche of Burgundy, no issue
- Louis of France: 1324 - 1324, secondborn son of Charles IV and Mary of Luxembourg, no issue
- Charles of Valois: 1270 (Vincennes, France) - 1325 (Perray, France), secondborn son of Philip III and Isabella of Aragon


Philip VI the Fortunate: 1293 - 1350 (Coulombes, France)
firstborn son of Charles of Valois and Margaret of Anjou

King of France

Issue:
- John II
- Mary of Brabant
- Louis of France
- Louis of France
- John of France
- Philip of Orléans
- Joan of France
- Joan of France

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John II the Good: 1319 (Le Mans, France) - 1364 (London, England)
firstborn son of Philip VI and Joan of Burgundy

King of France

Issue:
- Charles V
- Louis I of Anjou
- John of Berry
- Philip II of Burgundy
- Joan of Navarre
- Mary of Bar
- Agnes of France
- Margaret of France
- Isabelle of Milan
- Blanche of France
- Catherine of France

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Charles V the Wise: 1338 (Vincennes, France) - 1380 (Beauté-sur-Marne, France)
firstborn son of John II and Bonne of Bohemia

King of France

Issue:
- Joanna of France
- Bonne of France
- Joanna of France
- Charles VI
- Mary of France
- Louis of Orléans
- Isabella of France
- John of France
- Catherine of Montpensier

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Charles VI the Mad: 1368 (Paris, France) - 1422 (Paris, France)
firstborn son of Charles V and Joan of Bourbon

King of France

Issue:
- Charles of France
- Joan of France
- Isabella of England and Orléans
- Joan of Brittany
- Charles of France
- Mary of France
- Michelle of France
- Louis of Guyenne
- John of Touraine
- Catherine of England
- Charles VII
- Philip of France

>>2333005
9/10 would serve.

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- Charles of France: 1386 - 1386, firstborn son of Charles VI and Isabeau of Bavaria, no issue
- Charles of France: 1392 - 1401, secondborn son of Charles VI and Isabeau of Bavaria, no issue
- Louis of Guyenne: 1397 - 1415, thirdborn son of Charles VI and Isabeau of Bavaria, no issue
- John of Touraine: 1398 - 1417, fourthborn son of Charles VI and Isabeau of Bavaria, no issue


Charles VII the Victorious: 1403 (Paris, France) - 1461 (Mehun-sur-Yèvre, France)
fifthborn son of Charles VI and Isabeau of Bavaria

King of France

Issue:
- Louis XI
- John of France
- Radegonde of France
- Catherine of Charolais
- James of France
- Yolande of France
- Joan of Bourbon
- Philip of France
- Margaret of France
- Joanna of France
- Mary of France
- Isabella of France
- Magdalena of Foix
- Charles of Berry

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Louis XI the Prudent: 1423 (Bourges, France) - 1483 (Plessis-lez-Tours, France)
firstborn son of Charles VII and Mary of Anjou

King of France

Issue:
- Louis of France
- Joachim of France
- Louise of France
- Anne of Bourbon
- Joan of Berry
- Louis of France
- Charles VIII
- Francis of Berry

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- Louis of France: 1458 - 1460, firstborn son of Louis XI and Charlotte of Savoy, no issue
- Joachim of France: 1459 - 1459, secondborn son of Louis XI and Charlotte of Savoy, no issue
- Louis of France: 1466 - 1466, thirdborn son of Louis XI and Charlotte of Savoy, no issue


Charles VIII the Affable: 1470 (Amboise, France) - 1498 (Amboise, France)
fourthborn son of Louis XI and Charlotte of Savoy

King of France

Issue:
- Charles of France
- Francis of France
- Charles of France
- Francis of France
- Anne of France

>>2330573
daily reminder that bosnia is the true heir to islamic AND western civilisation

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- Charles of France: 1492 - 1495, firstborn son of Charles VIII and Anne of Brittany, no issue
- Francis of France: 1493 - 1493, secondborn son of Charles VIII and Anne of Brittany, no issue
- Charles of France: 1496 - 1496, thirdborn son of Charles VIII and Anne of Brittany, no issue
- Francis of France: 1497 - 1497, fourthborn son of Charles VIII and Anne of Brittany, no issue
- Francis of Berry: 1472 - 1473, fifthborn son of Louis XI and Charlotte of Savoy, no issue
- John of France: 1426 - 1426, secondborn son of Charles VII and Mary of Anjou, no issue
- James of France: 1432 - 1437, thirdborn son of Charles VII and Mary of Anjou, no issue
- Philip of France: 1436 - 1436, fourthborn son of Charles VII and Mary of Anjou, no issue
- Charles of Berry: 1446 (Tours, France) - 1472, fifthborn son of Charles VII and Mary of Anjou, no issue
- Philip of France: 1407 - 1407, sixthborn son of Charles VI and Isabeau of Bavaria, no issue
- Louis I of Orléans: 1372 - 1407 (Paris, France), murdered, secondborn son of Charles V and Joan of Bourbon
- Louis of Orléans: 1391 (Paris, France) - 1395 (Paris, France), firstborn son of Louis I of Orléans and Valentina Visconti, no issue
- John of Orléans: 1393 (Vincennes, France) - 1393 (Vincennes, France), secondborn son of Louis I of Orléans and Valentina Visconti, no issue
- Charles of Orléans: 1394 (Paris, France) - 1465 (Amboise, France), thirdborn son of Louis I of Orléans and Valentina Visconti


Louis XII: 1462 (Blois, France) - 1515 (Paris, France)
firstborn son of Charles of Orléans and Mary of Cleves

- King of France
- Duke of Milan
- King of Naples

Issue:
- Claude of France
- Renée of France

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- Philip of Vertus: 1396 (Asnières-sur-Oise, France) - 1420 (Beaugency, France), fourthborn son of Louis I of Orléans and Valentina Visconti, no issue
- John of Angoulême: 1399 - 1467 (Cognac, France), fifthborn son of Louis I of Orléans and Valentina Visconti
- Louis of Angoulême: 1455 - 1458, firstborn son of John of Angoulême and Margaret of Rohan, no issue
- Charles of Angoulême: 1459 - 1496, secondborn son of John of Angoulême and Margaret of Rohan


Francis I: 1515 (Cognac, France) - 1547 (Rambouillet, France)
firstborn son of Charles of Angoulême and Louise of Savoy

King of France

Issue:
- Louise of France
- Charlotte of France
- Francis III of Brittany
- Henry II
- Madeleine of Scotland
- Charles of Orléans
- Margaret of Berry

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- Francis III of Brittany: 1518 (Amboise, France) - 1536 (Tournon, France), firstborn son of Francis I and Claude of Brittany, no issue


Henry II: 1519 (Saint-Germain-en-Laye, France) - 1559 (Paris, France)
secondborn son of Francis I and Claude of Brittany

King of France

Issue:
- Francis II
- Elizabeth of France
- Claude of France
- Louis of Orléans
- Charles IX
- Henry III
- Margaret of France
- Hercules of Anjou
- Victoria of France
- Joan of France

>western civilization is one thing
ebin

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Francis II: 1544 (Fontainebleau, France) - 1560 (Orléans, France)
firstborn son of Henry II and Catherine de Medici

King of France

No issue

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- Louis III of Orléans: 1549 (Fontainebleau, France) - 1550 (Mantes-la-Jolie, France), secondborn son of Henry II and Catherine de Medici, no issue


Charles IX: 1550 (Saint-Germain-en-Laye, France) - 1574 (Vincennes, France)
thirdborn son of Henry II and Catherine de Medici

King of France

Issue:
- Mary Elizabeth of France

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Henry III: 1551 (Fontainebleau, France) - 1589 (Saint-Cloud, France), murdered
fourthborn son of Henry II and Catherine of Medici

- King of Poland
- Grand Duke of Lithuania
- King of France

No issue

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Seems like this family had a lot of issues.

>>2334908
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- Hercules of Anjou: 1555 - 1584, fifthborn son of Henry II and Catherine of Medici, no issue
- Charles of Orléans: 1522 - 1545, thirdborn son of Francis I and Claude of Brittany, no issue
- John of France: 1374 - 1376, thirdborn son of Charles V and Joan of Bourbon, no issue
- Louis I of Anjou: 1339 (Vincennes, France) - 1384 (Bisceglie, Naples), secondborn son of John II and Bonne of Bohemia
- Louis II of Anjou: 1377 - 1417, firstborn son of Louis I of Anjou and Mary of Blois
- Louis III of Anjou: 1403 - 1434, firstborn son of Louis II of Anjou and Yolande of Aragon, no issue
- René of Anjou: 1409 (Angers, France) - 1480 (Aix-en-Provence, France), secondborn son of Louis II of Anjou and Yolande of Aragon
- John II of Lorraine: 1424 (Nancy, Holy Roman Empire) - 1470 (Barcelona, Aragon), firstborn son of René of Anjou and Isabelle of Lorraine
- René of Lorraine: 1446 - 1446, firstborn son of John II of Lorraine and Mary of Bourbon, no issue
- John of Lorraine: 1447 - 1471, secondborn son of John II of Lorraine and Mary of Bourbon, no issue
- Nicholas I of Lorraine: 1448 (Nancy, Holy Roman Empire) - 1473 (Nancy, Holy Roman Empire), thirdborn son of John II of Lorraine and Mary of Bourbon, no male issue
- Louis of Anjou: 1427 - 1444, secondborn son of René of Anjou and Isabelle of Lorraine, no issue
- Nicholas of Anjou: 1428 - 1430, thirdborn son of René of Anjou and Isabelle of Lorraine, no issue
- Charles of Guise: 1431 - 1432, fourthborn son of René of Anjou and Isabelle of Lorraine, no issue
- René of Anjou: 1434 - 1434, fifthborn son of René of Anjou and Isabelle of Lorraine, no issue
- Charles of Maine: 1414 (Montils-lez-Tours, France) - 1472 (Neufvy-en-Touraine, France), thirdborn son of Louis II of Anjou and Yolande of Aragon
- Jean Louis Marin of Maine: 1440 - 1440, firstborn son of Charles of Maine and Cobella Ruffo, no issue
- Charles IV of Anjou: 1446 - 1481, secondborn son of Charles of Maine and Isabella of Saint-Pol, no issue

>>2335061
- Charles of Anjou: 1380 - 1404 (Angers, France), secondborn son of Louis I of Anjou and Mary of Blois, no issue
- John of Berry: 1340 (Vincennes, France) - 1416 (Paris, France), thirdborn son of John II and Bonne of Luxembourg
- Charles of Montpensier: 1362 - 1382, firstborn son of John of Berry and Joanna of Armagnac, no issue
- John of Montpensier: 1363 - 1401, secondborn son of John of Berry and Joanna of Armagnac, no issue
- Louis of Berry: 1364 - 1383, thirdborn son of John of Berry and Joanna of Armagnac, no issue
- Philip II of Burgundy: 1342 (Pontoise, France) - 1404 (Halle, Holy Roman Empire), fourthborn son of John II and Bonne of Bohemia
- John the Fearless: 1371 (Dijon, France) - 1419 (Montereau, France), murdered, firstborn son of Philip II of Burgundy and Margaret III of Flanders
- Philip the Good: 1396 (Dijon, France) - 1467 (Bruges, Holy Roman Empire), firstborn son of John the Fearless and Margaret of Bavaria
- Anthony of Burgundy: 1430 (Brussels, Holy Roman Empire) - 1432 (Brussels, Holy Roman Empire), firstborn son of Philip the Good and Isabella of Portugal, no issue
- Josse of Charolais: 1432 - 1432, secondborn son of Philip the Good and Isabella of Portugal, no issue
- Charles the Bold: 1433 (Dijon, France) - 1477 (Nancy, Holy Roman Empire), thirdborn son of Philip the Good and Isabella of Portugal, no male issue
- Charles of Burgundy: 1372 - 1373, secondborn son of Philip the Bold and Margaret III of Flanders, no issue
- Louis of Burgundy: 1377 - 1378, thirdborn son of Philip the Bold and Margaret III of Flanders, no issue
- Anthony of Brabant: 1384 - 1415 (Agincourt, France), fourthborn son of Philip the Bold and Margaret III of Flanders
- John IV of Brabant: 1403 (Arras, France) - 1427 (Brussels, Holy Roman Empire), firstborn son of Anthony of Brabant and Joan of Saint-Pol, no issue
- Philip I of Brabant: 1404 - 1430 (Leuven, Holy Roman Empire), secondborn son of Anthony of Brabant and Joan of Saint-Pol, no issue

>>2335062
- William of Brabant: 1410 (Brussels, Holy Roman Empire) - 1410 (Brussels, Holy Roman Empire), thirdborn son of Anthony of Brabant and Elizabeth of Görlitz, no issue
- Philip II of Nevers: 1389 (Villaines-en-Duesmois, France) - 1415 (Agincourt, France), fifthborn son of Philip the Bold and Margaret III of Flanders
- Philip of Nevers: 1410 - 1415, firstborn son of Philip II of Nevers and Isabella of Coucy, no issue
- Charles I of Nevers: 1414 - 1464, secondborn son of Philip II of Nevers and Bonne of Artois, no issue
- John II of Nevers: 1415 (Clamecy, France) - 1491 (Nevers, France), thirdborn son of Philip II of Nevers and Bonne of Artois
- Philip of Nevers: 1446 - 1452, firstborn son of John II of Nevers and Jacqueline d'Ailly, no issue
- Louis of France: 1329 - 1329, secondborn son of Philip VI and Joan of Burgundy, no issue
- Louis of France: 1330 - 1330, thirdborn son of Philip VI and Joan of Burgundy, no issue
- Philip of Orléans: 1336 (Vincennes, France) - 1376 (Orléans, France), fourthborn son of Philip VI and Joan of Burgundy, no issue
- Charles II of Alençon: 1297 - 1346, secondborn son of Charles of Valois and Margaret of Anjou
- Charles III of Alençon: 1337 - 1375 (Lyon, France), firstborn son of Charles II of Alençon and Maria de la Cerda y Lara, no issue
- Philip of Alençon: 1339 - 1397 (Rome, Papal States), secondborn son of Charles II of Alençon and Maria de la Cerda y Lara, no issue
- Peter II of Alençon: 1340 - 1404 (Argentan, France), thirdborn son of Charles II of Alençon and Maria de la Cerda y Lara
- Peter of Alençon: 1374 - 1375, firstborn son of Peter II of Alençon and Marie Chamaillart, no issue
- John of Alençon: 1375 - 1376, secondborn son of Peter II of Alençon and Marie Chamaillart, no issue
- John I of Alençon: 1385 (Essay, France) - 1415 (Agincourt, France), thirdborn son of Peter II of Alençon and Marie Chamaillart

>>2335068
- Peter of Alençon: 1407 (Argentan, France) - 1408 (Argentan, France), firstborn son of John I of Alençon and Mary of Brittany, no issue
- John II of Alençon: 1409 (Argentan, France) - 1476 (Paris, France), secondborn son of John I of Alençon and Mary of Brittany
- René of Alençon: 1454 - 1492 (Alençon, France), firstborn son of John II of Alençon and Mary of Armagnac
- Charles IV of Alençon: 1489 (Alençon, France) - 1525 (Lyon, France), firstborn son of René of Alençon and Margaret of Vaudémont, no issue
- Robert of Alençon: 1344 - 1377, fourthborn son of Charles II of Alençon and Maria de la Cerda y Lara
- Charles of Alençon: 1375 - 1377, firstborn son of Robert of Alençon and Joan of Rohan, no issue
- John of Chartres: 1302 - 1308, thirdborn son of Charles of Valois and Catherine I of Courtenay, no issue
- Louis of Chartres: 1318 - 1328, fourthborn son of Charles of Valois and Mahaut of Châtillon, no issue
- Louis of Évreux: 1276 - 1319 (Paris, France), thirdborn son of Philip III and Mary of Brabant
- Charles of Évreux: 1305 - 1336, firstborn son of Louis of Évreux and Margaret of Artois
- Louis I of Étampes: 1336 - 1400, firstborn son of Charles of Évreux and Maria de la Cerda y Lara, no issue
- John of Évreux: 1336 - 1373 (Rome, Papal States), second born son of Charles of Évreux and Maria de la Cerda y Lara, no issue
- Philip III of Navarre: 1306 - 1343 (Jerez de la Frontera, Granada), thridborn son of Louis of Évreux and Margaret of Artois
- Louis of Navarre: 1330 - 1334, firstborn son of Philip III of Navarre and Joan II of Navarre, no issue
- Charles II of Navarre: 1332 (Évreux, France) - 1387 (Pamplona, Navarre), secondborn son of Philip III of Navarre and Joan II of Navarre
- Charles III of Navarre: 1361 (Mantes-la-Jolie, France) - 1425 (Olite, Navarre), firstborn son of Charles II of Navarre and Joan of Valois
- Charles of Viana: 1397 - 1402, firstborn son of Charles III of Navarre and Eleanor of Castile, no issue

>>2335071
- Louis of Viana: 1402 - 1402, secondborn son of Charles III of Navarre and Eleanor of Castile, no issue
- Peter of Mortain: 1366 (Évreux, France) - 1412 (Bourges, France), secondborn son of Charles II of Navarre and Joan of Valois, no issue
- Philip of Navarre: 1368 - 1368, thirdborn son of Charles II of Navarre and Joan of Valois, no issue
- Philip of Longueville: 1336 - 1363, thirdborn son of Philip III of Navarre and Joan II of Navarre, no issue
- Louis of Durazzo: 1341 - 1376, fourthborn son of Philip III of Navarre and Joan II of Navarre, no issue
- John of France: 1246 - 1248, thirdborn son of Louis IX and Margaret of Provence, no issue
- John Tristan of Valois: 1250 (Damietta, Egypt) - 1270 (Tunisia, Ifriqiya), fourthborn son of Louis IX and Margaret of Provence, no issue
- Peter I of Alençon: 1251 (Jerusalem) - 1284 (Salerno, Naples), fifthborn son of Louis IX and Margaret of Provence
- Louis of Alençon: 1276 - 1277, firstborn son of Peter I of Alençon and Joan of Châtillon, no issue
- Philip of Alençon: 1278 - 1279, secondborn son of Peter I of Alençon and Joan of Châtillon, no issue
- Robert of Clermont: 1256 - 1317, sixthborn son of Louis IX and Margaret of Provence
- Louis I of Bourbon: 1279 - 1341, firstborn son of Robert of Clermont and Beatrix of Burgundy
- Peter I of Bourbon: 1311 - 1356 (Poitiers, France), firstborn son of Louis I of Bourbon and Mary of Avesnes
- Louis II of Bourbon: 1337 - 1410 (Montluçon, France), firstborn son of Peter I of Bourbon and Isabella of Valois
- John I of Bourbon: 1381 - 1434 (London, England), firstborn son of Louis II of Bourbon and Anne of Auvergne
- Charles I of Bourbon: 1401 - 1456 (Moulins, France), firstborn son of John I of Bourbon and Mary of Auvergne
- John II of Bourbon: 1426 - 1488 (Moulins, France), firstborn son of Charles I of Bourbon and Agnes of Burgundy
- John of Clermont: 1487 - 1487, firstborn son of John II of Bourbon and Catherine of Armagnac, no issue

>>2335075
- Louis of Clermont: 1488 - 1488, secondborn son of John II of Bourbon and Joan of Bourbon-Vendôme, no issue
- Philip of Bourbon: 1430 - 1440, secondborn son of Charles I of Bourbon and Agnes of Burgundy, no issue
- Charles II of Bourbon: 1434 (Moulins, France) - 1488 (Lyon, France), thirdborn son of Charles I of Bourbon and Agnes of Burgundy, no issue
- Peter II of Bourbon: 1438 (Moulins, France) - 1503, fourthborn son of Charles I of Bourbon and Agnes of Burgundy
- Charles of Clermont: 1476 - 1498, firstborn son of Peter II of Bourbon and Anne of France, no issue
- Louis of Bourbon: 1438 - 1482 (Liège, Holy Roman Empire), murdered, fifthborn son of Charles I of Bourbon and Agnes of Burgundy, no issue
- James of Montpensier: 1445 - 1468 (Bruges, Holy Roman Empire), sixthborn son of Charles I of Bourbon and Agnes of Burgundy, no issue
- Louis of Bourbon: 1403 - 1412 (Paris, France), secondborn son of John I of Bourbon and Mary of Auvergne, no issue
- Louis of Montpensier: 1405 - 1486 (Rome, Papal States), thirdborn son of John I of Bourbon and Mary of Auvergne
- Gilbert of Montpensier: 1443 - 1496 (Pozzuoli, Naples), firstborn son of Louis of Montpensier and Gabrielle La Tour
- Louis II of Montpensier: 1483 - 1501 (Naples), firstborn son of Gilbert of Montpensier and Claire Gonzaga, no issue
- Charles III of Bourbon: 1490 (Montpensier, France) - 1527 (Rome, Papal States), secondborn son of Gilbert of Montpensier and Claire Gonzaga
- Francis of Clermont: 1517 - 1518, firstborn son of Charles III of Bourbon and Suzanne of Bourbon, no issue
- Francis of Châtellerault: 1492 - 1515 (Marignano, Milan), thridborn son of Gilbert of Montpensier and Claire Gonzaga, no issue
- John of Montpensier: 1445 - 1485, secondborn son of Louis of Montpensier and Gabrielle La Tour, no issue
- Louis of Bourbon: 1388 - 1404, secondborn son of Louis II of Bourbon and Anne of Auvergne, no issue

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>>2335079
- Philip of Bourbon: 1316 - 1327, secondborn son of Louis I of Bourbon and Mary of Avesnes, no issue
- James of Bourbon: 1318 - 1318, thirdborn son of Louis I of Bourbon and Mary of Avesnes, no issue
- James I of La Marche: 1319 - 1362 (Lyon, France), fourthborn son of Louis I of Bourbon and Mary of Avesnes
- Peter II of La Marche: 1342 - 1362 (Lyon, France), firstborn son of James I of La Marche and Joan of Châtillon, no issue
- John I of La Marche: 1344 - 1393 (Vendôme, France), secondborn son of James I of La Marche and Joan of Châtillon, no issue
- James II of La Marche: 1370 - 1438 (Besançon, France), firstborn son of John I of La Marche and Catherine of Vendôme, no male issue
- Louis of Vendôme: 1376 - 1446 (Tours, France), secondborn son of John I of La Marche and Catherine of Vendôme
- John VIII of Vendôme: 1425 - 1478 (Lavardin, France), firstborn son of Louis of Vendôme and Joan of Laval
- Francis of Vendôme: 1470 - 1495 (Vercelli, Savoy), firstborn son of John VIII of Vendôme and Isabella of Beauveau
- Charles of Bourbon: 1489 (Vendôme, France) - 1537 (Amiens, France), firstborn son of Francis of Vendôme and Mary of Luxembourg
- Louis of Bourbon: 1514 - 1516, firstborn son of Charles of Bourbon and Françoise of Alençon, no issue
- Anthony of Navarre: 1518 (La Fère, France) - 1562 (Les Andelys, France), secondborn son of Charles of Bourbon and Françoise of Alençon


Henry IV: 1553 (Pau, Navarre) - 1610 (Paris, France), murdered
firstborn son of Anthony of Navarre and Joan III of Navarre

- King of France
- King of Navarre

Issue:
- Louis XIII
- Elizabeth of Spain
- Christina Mary of Savoy
- Nicholas Henry of Orléans
- Gaston of Orléans
- Henrietta Maria of England, Scotland, and Ireland

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Louis XIII: 1601 (Fontainebleau, France) - 1643 (Paris, France)
firstborn son of Henry IV and Mary of Medici

King of France and Navarre

Issue:
- Louis XIV
- Philip I of Orléans

Ok so using what OP has so far the legitimate ruler of western civilization is some Spanish guy who goes by the last name Bourbon.

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Louis XIV: 1638 (Saint-Germain-en-Laye, France) - 1715 (Versailles, France)
firstborn son of Louis XIII and Anne of Austria

King of France and Navarre

Issue:
- Louis of France
- Anne Elizabeth of France
- Mary Anne of France
- Mary Theresa of France
- Philip Charles of Anjou
- Louis Francis of Anjou

>>2335111
Please don't tell me this is gonna end with Louis Alphonse

Someone should do this for the ruler of Eastern Civilization ?

>>2335125
That would be harder to determine. Where would you start?

>>2330573
OP I'm interested in why you determined that Teutomer was the first legitimate ruler of Western civilisation.

>>2335144
see >>2332513

>>2333005
Wrong. He isn't the senior Bourbon heir.

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- Louis of France: 1661 (Fontainebleau, France) - 1711 (Meudon, France), firstborn son of Louis XIV and Maria Theresa of Austria
- Louis of Burgundy: 1682 (Versailles, France) - 1712 (Marly, France), firstborn son of Louis of France and Mary Anne Victoria of Bavaria
- Louis of Brittany: 1704 - 1705, firstborn son of Louis of Burgundy and Mary Adelaide of Savoy
- Louis of Brittany: 1707 - 1712, secondborn son of Louis of Burgundy and Mary Adelaide of Savoy


Louis XV: 1710 (Versailles, France) - 1774 (Versailles, France)
thirdborn son of Louis of Burgundy and Mary Anne Victoria of Bavaria

King of France and Navarre

Issue:
- Louise-Elizabeth of Parma
- Henriette-Anne of France
- Marie-Louise of France
- Louis of France
- Philip of Anjou
- Mary Adelaide of France
- Victoire Louise of France
- Sophie-Philippine of France
- Theresa of France
- Louise-Marie of France

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- Louis of France: 1729 (Versailles, France) - 1765 (Fontainebleau, France), firstborn son of Louis XV and Marie Leszczyńska
- Louis of Burgundy: 1751 (Versailles, France) - 1761 (Versailles, France), firstborn son of Louis of France and Maria Josepha of Saxony
- Xavier of Aquitaine: 1753 (Versailles, France) - 1754 (Versailles, France), secondborn son of Louis of France and Maria Josepha of Saxony


Louis XVI: 1774 (Versailles, France) - 1793 (Paris, France), executed
thirdborn son of Louis of France and Maria Josepha of Saxony

- King of France and Navarre
- King of the French

Issue:
- Maria-Theresa of France
- Louis-Joseph of France
- Louis XVII
- Sophie Helena Beatrix of France

>>2335132
China, Indus Valley, Iran?

What exactly is the OP doing ? Hasn't this already been done by better historians ?

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- Louis-Joseph of France: 1781 (Versailles, France) - 1789 (Meudon, France), firstborn son of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette


Louis XVII: 1785 (Versailles, France) - 1795 (Paris, France)
secondborn son of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette

Dauphin of France

No issue

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Louis XVIII: 1755 (Versailles, France) - 1824 (Paris, France)
fourthborn son of Louis of France and Maria Josepha of Saxony

King of France and Navarre

No issue

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Charles X: 1757 (Versailles, France) - 1836 (Gorizia, Austria)
fifthborn son of Louis of France and Maria Josepha of Saxony

King of France and Navarre

Issue:
- Louis Antoine of Angoulême
- Sophie of Artois
- Charles Ferdinand of Berry
- Maria Theresa of Angoulême

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Louis Antoine of Angoulême: 1775 (Versailles, France) - 1844 (Gorizia, Austria)
firstborn son of Charles X and Maria Theresa of Savoy

Duke of Angoulême

No issue

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- Charles Ferdinand of Berry: 1778 (Versailles, France) - 1820 (Paris, France), secondborn son of Charles X of France and Maria Theresa of Savoy
- Louis of Artois: 1818 - 1818, firstborn son of Charles Ferdinand of Berry and Mary-Carolin of Bourbon-Sicile, no issue


Henry of Artois: 1820 (Paris, France) - 1883 (Frohsdorf, Austria-Hungary)
secondborn son of Charles Ferdinand of Berry and Mary-Carolin of Bourbon-Sicile

Count of Chambord

No issue

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- Philip of Anjou: 1730 (Versailles, France) - 1733 (Versailles, France), secondborn son of Louis XV and Marie Leszczyńska, no issue
- Philip V of Spain: 1683 (Versailles, France) - 1746 (Madrid, Spain), secondborn son of Louis of France and Mary Ann Victoria of Bavaria
- Louis I of Spain: 1707 (Madrid, Spain) - 1724 (Madrid, Spain), firstborn son of Philip V of Spain and Mary Louise of Savoy, no issue
- Philip of Spain: 1709 - 1709, secondborn son of Philip V of Spain and Mary Louise of Savoy, no issue
- Philip of Spain: 1712 - 1719, thirdborn son of Philip V of Spain and Mary Louise of Savoy, no issue
- Ferdinand VI of Spain: 1713 (Madrid, Spain) - 1759 (Madrid, Spain), fourthborn son of Philip V of Spain and Mary Louise of Savoy, no issue
- Charles III of Spain: 1716 (Madrid, Spain) - 1788 (Madrid, Spain), fifthborn son of Philip V of Spain and Elizabeth Farnese
- Philip of Calabria: 1747 (Portici, Naples) - 1777 (Portici, Naples), firstborn son of Charles III of Spain and Mary Amalia of Saxony, no issue
- Charles IV of Spain: 1748 (Portici, Naples) - 1819 (Rome, Papal States), secondborn son of Charles III of Spain and Mary Amalia of Saxony
- Charles Clement of Spain: 1771 - 1774, firstborn son of Charles IV of Spain and Mary Louise of Parma, no issue
- Charles Dominic of Spain: 1780 - 1783, secondborn son of Charles IV of Spain and Mary Louis of Parma, no issue
- Charles Francis of Paula: 1783 - 1784, thirdborn son of Charles IV of Spain and Mary Louis of Parma, no issue
- Philip Francis of Paula: 1783 - 1784, fourthborn son of Charles IV of Spain and Mary Louis of Parma, no issue
- Ferdinand VII of Spain: 1784 (El Escorial, Spain) - 1833 (Madrid, Spain), fifthborn son of Charles IV of Spain and Mary Louis of Parma, no male issue
- Charles of Molina: 1788 (Aranjuez, Spain) - 1855 (Trieste, Austria), sixthborn son of Charles IV of Spain and Mary Louis of Parma

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>>2335259
- Charles of Montemolin: 1818 (Madrid, Spain) - 1861 (Trieste, Austria), firstborn son of Charles of Molina and Mary Frances of Portugal, no issue


John of Montizón: 1822 (Aranjuez, Spain) - 1887 (Worthing, England)
secondborn son of Charles of Molina and Mary Frances of Portugal

Count of Montizón

Issue:
- Charles of Madrid
- Alphons Charles of San Jaime

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Charles of Madrid: 1848 (Ljubljana, Holy Roman Empire) - 1909 (Varese, Italy)
firstborn son of John of Montizón and Mary Beatrix of Austria-Este

Duke of Madrid

Issue:
- Blanche of Spain
- James of Madrid
- Elvira of Spain
- Beatrix of Spain
- Alice of Spain

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James of Madrid: 1870 (Vevey, Switzerland) - 1931 (Paris, France)
firstborn son of Charles of Madrid and Margaret of Bourbon-Parma

- Duke of Madrid
- Duke of Anjou

No issue

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Alphons Charles of San Jaime: 1849 (London, United Kingdom) - 1936 (Vienna, Austria)
secondborn son of John of Montizón and Mary Beatrix of Austria-Este

- Duke of San Jaime
- Duke of Anjou

No issue

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- Ferdinand of Bourbon and Braganza: 1824 (El Escorial, Spain) - 1861 (Brunnsee, Austria), thirdborn son of Charles of Molina and Mary Frances of Portugal, no issue
- Philip Mary of Spain: 1792 (Aranjuez, Spain) - 1794 (Madrid, Spain), seventhborn son of Charles IV of Spain and Mary Louis of Parma, no issue
- Francis of Paula: 1794 (Aranjuez, Spain) - 1865 (Madird, Spain), eigthborn son of Charles IV of Spain and Mary Louis of Parma
- Francis of Bourbon: 1820 - 1821, firstborn son of Francis of Paula and Louise Charlotte of Naples and Sicily, no issue
- Francis of Cádiz: 1822 (Aranjuez, Spain) - 1902 (Épinay-sur-Seine, France), secondborn son of Francis of Paula and Louise Charlotte of Naples and Sicily
- Alphons XII of Spain: 1857 (Madrid, Spain) - 1885 (Madrid, Spain), firstborn son of Francis of Cádiz and Isabella II of Spain


Alphons XIII of Spain: 1886 (Madrid, Spain) - 1941 (Rome, Italy)
firstborn son of Alphons XII of Spain and Mary Christina of Austria

King of Spain

Issue:
- Alphons of Asturias
- James of Segovia
- Beatrix of Spain
- Ferdinand of Spain
- Mary Christina of Spain
- John of Barcelona
- Gonzalo of Spain

Merovingian ancestors.
>>2330581 >>2330587 >>2330601 >>2330622 >>2330630
The more historical and well known Clovis, his father and line to the King of Paris.
>>2331049 >>2331079 >>2331252 >>2331746
Uncles divide Paris, line descends from royalty to aristocracy.
>>2331754 >>2331760 >>2331809 >>2332240 >>2332256 >>2332347 >>2332366
Robert the Strong rebels against Carolingians and gains power in northwestern France.
>>2332385 >>2332458 >>2332477
Hugh Capet secures Kingdom of France for descendents forming Capetian dynasty.
>>2332498 >>2332533 >>2332551 >>2334515 >>2334521 >>2334544 >>2334557 >>2334570 >>2334583 >>2334604
Line detaches from Kingship for 1 generation, Valois dynasty founded.
>>2334654 >>2334657 >>2334660
Line detaches again, I'll stop here because of the "no issue" issue.

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- Alphons of Asturias: 1907 (Madrid, Spain) - 1938 (Miami, United States), firstborn son of Alphons XIII of Spain and Victoria Eugenie of Battenberg, no issue


James of Segovia: 1908 (San Ildefonso, Spain) - 1975 (St. Gallen, Switzerland)
secondborn son of Alphons XIII of Spain and Victoria Eugenie of Battenberg

- Duke of Segovia
- Duke of Anjou

Issue:
- Alphons of Anjou and Cádiz
- Gonzalo of Aquitaine

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Alphons of Anjou and Cádiz: 1936 (Rome, Italy) - 1989 (Beaver Creek, United States)
firstborn son of James of Segovia and Emanuela of Dampierre

- Duke of Anjou
- Duke of Cádiz

Issue:
- Francis of Asís
- Louis Alphonse of Anjou

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Francis of Asís: 1972 (Madrid, Spain) - 1984 (Pamplona, Spain), firstborn son of Alphons of Anjou and Cádiz and Carmen Martínez-Bordiú


Louis Alphonse of Anjou: 1974 (Madrid, Spain) -
secondborn son of Alphons of Anjou and Cádiz and Carmen Martínez-Bordiú

Duke of Anjou

Issue:
- Eugenie of Anjou
- Louis of Burgundy
- Alphons of Berry


aaand there we have it.

What's the point?

It's close to 100% statistically certain that one or more of these guys got cucked and the entire line quietly changed hands unrecorded by history.

>>2335422
You watch too many movies, those cases are extremely rare.

>>2335417
literally who

>>2335440
>You watch too many movies, those cases are extremely rare.

There have been various studies done on misattributed paternity, i.e. the number of kids born who's "father" was not actually their real father. The median average figure found in the studies is 3.7%. That's more than high enough to make it pretty close to certain the bloodline changed at some point, unless you think nobles in arranged marriages are somehow magically immune from being cucked.

http://jech.bmj.com/content/59/9/749.long

>>2335417
>This guy is the leader of western civilization

>>2335568
Can YOU trace your patrilineal ancestry back to ancient Roman times?

>>2335548
Maybe in the modern age of degeneracy. And in royal and noble families even any suspicion of cucking is fatal so they know to avoid it.

>>2335590
>Maybe in the modern age of degeneracy.

People weren't any different throughout history and there's always been people in every time period just like you moaning about 'degeneracy'.

>>2335599
Preach it girl! Having taken 50 different dicks on average before marriage was perfectly normal back in the Christian Middle Ages just like now! Nothing changed!

>>2335611
it's not perfectly normal now
it wasn't perfectly normal back then

>>2335611

>Despite the edicts of canon law and the real risk of punishment, it appears that unrestrained sexual activity was quite common throughout Europe during these times. In fact, most did not believe fornication was a sin at all, and many were taken by surprise at confession when priests informed them that they had indeed sinned by committing certain sexual acts.

>While adultery was not quite as common as simple fornication, it too seems to have been relatively widespread. It was so common in fact that by the later Middle Ages it was not even considered grounds for the dissolution of marriage

https://www.brown.edu/Departments/Italian_Studies/dweb/society/sex/fornication-adultery.php

>>2335621
>>2335622
Lmao, looks like you two need to get your Jewish lies straight.

>>2335631
looks like you need to go back

>>2335631

I couldn't give a shit what the other anon posted, moron.

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>Hence, the legend goes, that couples that were having children were required to first obtain royal permission (usually from a local magistrate or lord) and then place a sign somewhere visible from the road in their home that said "Fornicating Under Consent of King," which was later shortened to "FUCK." This story is hard to document, but has persisted in oral and literary traditions for many years; however, it has been demonstrated to be an urban legend.[13]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuck

>>2335636

Although I agree with this.

>>2335638
Its a bullshit theory. No culture with such low rates of literacy would ever require signs with text, especially from peasants.

>>2330573
Its God.

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>>2335655
>Some of these urban legends are that the word fuck came from Irish law. If a couple were caught committing adultery, they would be punished "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge In the Nude," with "FUCKIN" written on the stocks above them to denote the crime. A similar variant on this theory involves the recording by church clerks of the crime of "Forbidden Use of Carnal Knowledge."

>>2335417

Who the fuck is this.

>>2335355 here

We start back at Louis IX of the Capetian dynasty in 1270, instead of Phillip III, the line passes through Robert of Clermont
>>2334583
His son Louis I was elevated to the Duke of Bourbon, hence the Bourbon dynasty, the line passed through the counts of Vendome up to King Henry IV who, due to his distant descendence from Louis IX, was crowned in 1572. Then we pick off here until Louis XIV
>>2335084 >>2335099 >>2335111
After the famous Charles II of Spain died, the Spanish throne passed to Louis XIV's grandson Philip V and the line continued through the Spanish kings until Francis of Paula and Francis of Cadiz until the throne returned to Alphons XII
>>2335259 >>2335291
James renounced the Spanish crown because he was deaf, but not that of the Western Roman Empire, the line continues to Louis Alphonse
>>2335397 >>2335402 >>2335417

>>2335710
Your king.

>>2335417
I wonder what how he feels about trump.

interesting story, what a journey

>>2335062
>>2335068
>Anthony of Brabant: 1384 - 1415 (Agincourt, France)
>Philip II of Nevers: 1389 (Villaines-en-Duesmois, France) - 1415 (Agincourt, France)
>John I of Alençon: 1385 (Essay, France) - 1415 (Agincourt, France)

Damn