You have an ethical right to defend yourself against a physical

This is why the Germans weren't responsible for World War 1 ;^)

>>2277723
What inevitable violent thread were they preemptively striking in self defense against?

You have no rights

>>2277731
threat*, not thread, of course

>>2277732
Stirner, just go die of throat cancer already you twat, you didn't even believe your own ideas enough to put your face behind them, anonymous coward.

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>>2277731

The despicable, treacherous French of course.

the weak must fear the strong

Always and forever

>>2277736
I have not come upon any solid evidence that France was preparing to invade Germany (presumably with Russian help) around the time WWI started.
In fact the defensive pact with Italy made Germany more or less immune to such a threat, since Great Britain would not be joining it, and Italy would be on the side of Germany and Austro-Hungary, making it an uneven fight.

A self-defensive act must, in any case, have for a goal to stop and prevent further violence to be committed.
It must thus attempt to incapacitate the opponent.
In this case, punching this guy does not prevent other supremacits from being violent, and does not prevent him to encourage them. On the contrary it's likely to excite them and to make him louder and his audience bigger.


And the puncher had to know this, so it was not self defense or an attempt at it.

>>2277758
If a public speaker is prevented from speaking via threats, protests, or punches to the face, he will eventually stop speaking.
This will make it harder for his group to rally, grow and organize, so they won't achieve their goals (here perceived as being racial conflict).

The violence Y used to prevent the eventual violence X is "worth it", as in X > Y.
My question is if this is ethical and moral. I would hear any attempts at secular logic or religious views.

>>2277766

Obviously depends on your morals, but if you're an advocate for free speech then it's pretty cut and dry that punching / threatening someone you disagree with until their opinion is suppressed based solely on the potentiality the ideology could hurt someone is silly.

If you're all for censorship then sure, bully them into shutting up. But don't feel like you're more morally righteous suppressing a fascist than a fascist is suppressing you.

>>2277731
The Belgian menace.

>>2277758
this

eye for an eyefags never consider the long term

>>2277721
Assuming that you have an ethical right to defend yourself, you would also have a right to defend yourself against anyone who plans to physically assault you.

Meaning it's open season to neo-nazis and revolutionary commies.

>>2277758
You telling me he didn't go far enough?

>>2278317
yeah but how far can he go?
even killing him would not necessarily neutralize his acolytes in this scenario

>>2278327
So the rational, ethical and moral course of action is to ideologically cleanse the world of nazis to prevent them from eventually ethnically cleansing the world of non-whites.
And since nazis are less numerous than non-whites, the biomass borderline checks out.

>>2278476
>borderline
bottom line*
how the fuck did auto correct fuck that one up

>>2277738
Million Dollar Extreme was boring and edgy.

>>2277721
>Can you make an argument that physically assaulting people with despicable moral and political views, who are known to eventually lead to violence, is also self defense
all moral and political views eventually lead to violence

not an argument

>>2278504
>dismissive blanket statement presented as de facto answer

not an argument

>>2278511
>dismissive blanket statement presented as de facto answer
buzzwords

what about national socialism makes it worse than any other ideology which leads to violence

we allow anjem choudary to say his shit without being assaulted

>>2278527
Kill the jews is a move violent ideology than gender equality, for example. Pretty basic stuff.

>>2278531
but gender equality doesn't lead to violence you shit

i'm talking about christianity, anarchism and islam, off the top of my head

>>2278527
6/10 trolling son you could be alright

Anyone got the gif of him being punched?

>>2277721
With that reasoning you can justify them preemptively defending themselves from your preemptive attack.

>>2278550
i aint even trolling son

the left likes to defend islam, well islam has gotten far more people killed than national socialism

>>2277721
sure, I've always wanted to live in 1984 (the book, obviously)

>>2278548
Christianity isn't violent either, only Catholic LARPers start holy wars, and only in the past.

>>2278527
>we allow anjem choudary to say his shit without being assaulted

Yeah but there is no "we" here. If some individual attacked Anjem Choudary, they would be responsible for their own actions.

I don't see how this suddenly turns into some collectivist bullshit, just because one random idiot attacks a retarded nationalist while he's conducting an interview.

>>2278572
>islam is bad, thus hitler was right

Tip top /pol/ logic. Sure told them lefties.

>>2278581
>only in the past.
>it's just the past bro
nazis only killed people in the past dumbass
>>2278582
>If some individual attacked Anjem Choudary, they would be responsible for their own actions.
ok but it's not self defense

read what i was responding to
>>2278583
i don't think islam is bad you imbecille

i also don't think that people should get attacked for saying nazi things

>>2278581
Maybe in the West. On a local level, a lot of African Catholics are just as violent as Muslims when it comes to punishing people outside of their community/faith.

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>>2278592
Consider the following:

You are a young Norwegian musician. Your friend is publishing your music.
You two get in a fight, and he says he will kill you.
Later that day, a friend of yours tell you that your publisher is planning to kill you.
You go to his house, and you hear a phone call, during which he tells someone he will kill you.

Is it, or is it not, okay for you to kill him in self defense? Are you convinced enough that he will indeed kill you, or do you have to wait for him to aim a gun at you, when you will have zero means of self defense?

>>2278604
>you hear a phone call, during which he tells someone he will kill you.
spencer has been very careful not to say that he's going to kill people though hasn't he

the argument on the left is that there's no such thing as peaceful ethnic cleansing

>>2278604
I invite a murderer who wants to kill my friend into the house while he's upstairs showering.
When the murderer asks where my friend is, I answer truthfully.
My problem is solved without resorting to violence.

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>>2278613
Damn, why didn't I think of that.

>>2278612
Nor was he killed himself. He was punched.
So would you say a punch is adequate self defense against threats that you will be chased out, for example? Or your property confiscated?
He has talked about policies to that regard.

>>2278627
>So would you say a punch is adequate self defense against threats that you will be chased out, for example? Or your property confiscated?
are we talking about communism or national socialism here?

by your logic republicans could punch any liberal who wants them to pay more taxes ie. all of them

>>2278636
>are we talking about communism or national socialism here?
Politics aside, we are talking ethics.
>by your logic republicans could punch any liberal who wants them to pay more taxes ie. all of them
Duty aside, we are talking ethics.

Is it ethical for a republican to punch a liberal who wants to raise his taxes, if he has reason to believe thus punch will prevent the tax raise?
You are applying minor violence and injury to prevent theft. Ethically talking, are you in your right to do so, before the theft occurred, not as justice or retribution, but preemptively?
Thought crime should probably be introduced to the conversation at this point. Thinking about assaulting you is reason enough for you to preemptively assault me back?

Keep it ethics though, of course in a modern estate only government services are allowed to assault, its how our society works. Everyone else assaulting is illegal, regardless of ethics.

>>2277721
>Nazism is ok when we do it

>>2278655
Censorship of harmful sects is not specific to natsoc

>>2278648
all of these questions are dumb so i'm just going to answer the OP
>>2277721
>For example, the Israel attack on the Arabs when they formed a coalition and announced they will wage war.
if someone cocks a punch at you, which is what the arabs were doing when they got their military forces ready, then you can punch them before they punch you

>>2278661
In hindsight we know the arabs were talking shit without meaning to attack though.
They weren't "cocking a punch", they were saying they would hit, while cracking their knuckles.

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>>2278665
wait which war are we talking about

golan heights?

>>2278677
The third one, known as Six Days War.

>>2278683
> In reaction to the mobilisation of Egyptian forces along the Israeli border in the Sinai Peninsula, Israel launched a series of preemptive airstrikes against Egyptian airfields.
> In reaction to the mobilisation of Egyptian forces
that's cocking a punch, doesn't matter if you never intended to throw it

>>2278693
Israeli ambassador to the United States, Michael Oren, has acknowledged that both US and Israeli intelligence indicated that troop movements in Egypt had only defensive, not offensive, purposes.
USSR had forbidden Egypt and Syria from attacking until they are allowed, and USSR agents were there ensuring this.
Yet at 3AM, without declaration or anything, Israel announced to international diplomats there that it was invaded and was engaged in combat, responding to "cowardly and treacherous" attack from Egypt. In reality, it was a calculated and prepared attack from Israel which invaded Egypt without warning.

Now, I am a realpolitik kind of guy, and I have no love for Arabs, but it is simply wrong to say that Egypt was cocking a punch. They were talking shit, as they had been for years, the situation was in no way unique. The only thing that made it special was the Israelis deciding to make use of it.

>>2278720
>Israeli ambassador to the United States, Michael Oren, has acknowledged that both US and Israeli intelligence indicated that troop movements in Egypt had only defensive, not offensive, purposes.
it's a defensive cocked punch
>USSR had forbidden Egypt and Syria from attacking until they are allowed, and USSR agents were there ensuring this.
so the egyptians were forbidden from throwing the cocked punch

intent doesn't matter, if you act like you're getting ready for a fight you might get punched

>>2277721
Giving credence to an opposing ideology by assaulting members of that ideology only cements that ideology as one that holds water and spurs other followers of that ideology to further their cause.
In the past weeks there have been many people who have called for the death of Trump, some going as far as to say they wish someone shot him. Should everyone who holds these views be rounded up and the more vocal advocates be killed? The OP argument asserts that they present a "credible" threat of fatal violence and should they go unkilled they will only foment unrest until someone does kill Trump.
A preemptive act of violence to deter violence is paradoxical and is only a show of strength to deter action. We only have to look at violence against blacks in the '60s, violence against Irish in the '30s and violence against striking workers in the 1890s to see examples of preemptive violence against groups that were explained away by what the OP is advocating. It is immoral, unethical, amd inhuman.

>>2277721
Preemptive strike =/= preventive strike
This is not preemptive.

If your ideology hinges on using the coercive force of the state to strip people of their rights to disagree with you, you're asking to get punched in the face. Sorry.

A soldier of the civil authority must be taught not to kill men and to refuse to do so if he is commanded, and to refuse to take an oath. If he is unwilling to comply, he must be rejected for baptism. A military commander or civic magistrate must resign or be rejected. If a believer seeks to become a soldier, he must be rejected, for he has despised God.

—Hippolytus of Rome[14]

>>2278773
How many layers of irony are you on right now.

>>2278801
None. Individuals taking it upon themselves and risking arrest and prosecution for carrying out an act of justified violence is not the same as using (or even advocating the use of) law enforcement and military to suppress political dissent.

>>2278672
cheers.
>burgers just go around punching nazis in the neck.
What a time to be american.

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>>2277721
>keeps calling liberals cucks all the time
>now calls them bullies
never tolerate the intolerable

>>2278818
>justified violence
You must be joking.

>>2278636
Republicans are liberal.

>>2277721
that guy was only helped by being punched

false flag?

>>2278840
not in the context of american politics

>>2278855
Nope. Just someone who saw an opportunity to attack someone whose ideology they find horrendous who wasn't thinking about long-term consequences.

>>2278834
Not at all. Is that upsetting to your delicate lady sensibilities?

>>2278864
>who wasn't thinking about long-term consequences.
what a dumbass

>>2278855
The guy was going around spreading his abhorrent discussion on how to neuter fellow american citizens based on the color of their skin.

Him getting punched doesn't strengthen him. On the contrary, whenever someone comes up with the spineless lefty drivel, people can point to the webm.

>>2278876
>Him getting punched doesn't strengthen him.
Are you unaware? Are you 12? Are you from leftypol?

I would be all in for exterminating the far right and far left, round up every trump and sanders supporter and send them to a gulag, then install a technocratic government where public officials must at least have a phd and pass comprehensive economic and law examinations.

>>2278867
Yup, me and my vagina are super salty.
Going entirely off your logic, I am within my rights and justified to attack an abortion clinic and kill the doctors there because they engage in murder of unborn fetuses, and while I may get arrested for my individual act I have taken it upon myself to carry out an act of justified violence. Keep in mind in my culture a fetus is a human being, the doctors had made a premeditated decision to kill those fetuses, and they would have done so if I didn't act.

>>2278818
> Individuals taking it upon themselves and risking arrest and prosecution for carrying out an act of justified violence
>sucker punching someone while wearing a mask is now "risking arrest"
lol the only way this differs from fascism is in terms of scale and impact
>>2278876
>On the contrary, whenever someone comes up with the spineless lefty drivel, people can point to the webm.
you're not going to convince anyone who isn't an anarchist lunatic that way

i shudder to think what you'd do if you stepped out of your cosy left wing bubble

>>2277721
>right
SPOOKY
P
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Y

>>2278881
>then install a technocratic government where public officials must at least have a phd and pass comprehensive economic and law examinations.
you really don't fucking want that, look at the history of every bureaucracy ever

>>2278884
>in my culture a fetus is a human being,
No it isn't, sorry. You personally might think that but clearly there isn't a consensus in society about whether or not fetuses are human beings. Nice try though

>>2277721
>Note: this is about the ethics and morals of physically assaulting people to keep them from spreading violent ideas, which eventually lead to large scale violence. It is not about what these political believes are, or politics. ETHICS AND MORALS please.
Except you punch a Nazi for self gratification, just like burning mosques. It only radicalizes them more and you've done more societal harm than good. But at least you personally feel good for throwing a punch.

I think we had a thread on this

>>2278885
>the only way this differs from fascism is in terms of scale and impact
>fighting against fascism is fascism
Doublethink much?

>>2278885
>lol the only way this differs from fascism is in terms of scale and impact
So actual fascism is justified despite it's scale and impact?

>>2278885
>i shudder to think what you'd do if you stepped out of your cosy left wing bubble
>cosy left wing bubble

Most on the left have condemned this shit. Those that haven't are either stupid or false flagging.

I remember a ned stark looking guy in Belgium punching a 'numale' and the right had an orgasm.

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>>2278885
>alt-right steps outside of their cozy right wing bubble
>get rekt
>threatens that the same will happen lefties leave their 'bubble'

>>2278898
>>2278896
This only helps fascism you shits.

>>2278907
So what would you do to combat fascism? Nothing?

>>2278889
Right, a Hindi doesn't know what their society dictates, sorry. Do go on.

>>2278910
Talk.
None of their stuff make any sense including the conclusions they draw from the race science.
All it takes is to use words.

>>2278896
>fighting against fascism is fascism
>muh doublethink
what, so you're saying that fascists can't fight each other?
>>2278898
no
>>2278899
>Most on the left have condemned this shit.
they have fucking not lmao, at least on the internet
>>2278904
i meant to say western bubble, india is ruled by literal nationalists who lynch people

>>2278888

I guess it's better to elect idiots who think that the world is 6000 years old or that your sex can be a trans-pansexual-attack-helicopter kin...

>>2277721
>who are known to eventually lead to violence,

This is based on heavy presumption and cannot really be proved until it actually happens. Steps and measures can be taken to subvert that course but to resort to violence immediately given specific contexts is just pig-headed, arrogant, and non-constructive.

>>2278927
>idiots who think that the world is 6000 years old
their reasoning is more complicated than that, people are less stupid than your tiny fedora mind believes

>>2278919
No sorry. How do you think the Trump team got into power in the first place? American people don't care about words or talking or the truth.

>>2278920
>western bubble, india is ruled by literal nationalists who lynch people
The fuck? We are speaking in a strictly western context

>>2278919
Yea words sure stopped the rise of nazism

>>2278945
That's false.
The truth talking side wins almost always, it just takes time. Maybe years, maybe decades.
>>2278948
Those were different times. Much more violent and primitive.

annoying cunts getting punched is just fine really

>>2278948
>We are speaking in a strictly western context
why the fuck should we be speaking in a strictly western context in a globalised world

>>2278957
>almost always
That's not good enough

>>2278731
You are rationalizing here, not reasoning.

talk shit get hit

always been that way

>>2278920
>literal nationalists who lynch people
People in India lynch each other all the time. It's basically just banter here.

>>2278889
There also isn't a consensus as to the danger of white nationalism. Can we now agree that punching people you don't agree with is wrong?

>>2278880
Oh please. If punching a literal neonazi who believes in racial eugenics and propogates his view there in strengthens his ideals then america is far too gone.

I am sick and tired of listening to the other side when the other side doesn't want to listen.

>>2279082
i'm looking at it logically
>>2279110
exactly, why don't leftists care about that? is it because they'd lose?

spencer got hit because he was an easy target and that's the only reason
>>2279120
>I am sick and tired of listening to the other side when the other side doesn't want to listen.
you should be sick and tired of losing all the time lol

>>2279119
>danger of white nationalism
It is when you are declaring fellow citizens as subhumans based on the color of their skin.

>>2278948
If nothing can stop fascism but violence against people with which we disagree then why is fascism so bad? Isn't the whole point of avoiding fascism to avoid arbitrary violence against the innocent? If we have to enact arbitrary violence against the innocent in order to avoid arbitrary violence against the innocent then the game is lost.

>>2279134
But Trump is president and he (apparently) has a white nationalist following so no...there is no consensus.

>>2279130
>why don't leftists care about that.
The biggest terrorist organization in India is leftist. The Communist Party of India ran a terror campaign through calcutta after it was elected.

Lynching has a result of polarizing the electorate at the 11th hour. Muslims in India will vote enmasse for the "secular parties" while hindus will largely gravitate towards the BJP. There is a reason why the term "caste calculus" has entered the political lexicon in India.

>>2279130
>win an election
>"LOL, a Winrar is us."
Then stop crying like a bitch when you get socked in the jaw.

>>2279134
Isn't that kinda like declaring your fellow humans subhumans because of their stage of development? No of course not because that conflicts with your narrow world view.

>>2279130
>i'm looking at it logically

No, you are looking at it in the context that you made a statement, and you feel obliged by the sunk cost fallacy to defend it.

All military experts and intelligence officers who made reports on Egyptian troop movement agreed that:
1. It was defensive in nature.
2. Even as a defensive move it was inadequate, as the Israeli attack proved.
3. Egypt did not have the military strength to attack Israel, nor USSR's permission, nor its allies' consent, nor had any plans to do so.

It was saber rattling, the Israelis were aware of that, and they took advantage of the "its ethical to strike first to defend yourself" meme, even though they were in no danger at any point.

The Israeli intelligence officers later confirmed that there was no real threat, although at the time they insisted that Egypt had invaded illegally, which was later proven beyond a doubt to have been false.


Just a case of might is right, because Egypt was backed by USSR, and Israel by USA, and USA was stronger than USSR.

>>2279158
>stages of development
do you mean by this.

>>2279156
>Then stop crying like a bitch when you get socked in the jaw.
wow that's really sexist

and pointing out that you don't hit people for saying naughty things is not the same as crying
>>2279160
>It was saber rattling
that is literally a synonym for cocking a punch

>>2279172
Follow back my comments like 3 or 4, my line of reasoning started with the abortion stuff

>>2279173
he cried like a little bitch and ran away.

>>2279173
You are literally repeating the same rationalizations to avoid conceding.
I won't argue further, any neutral reader will easily make his conclusions from what was already stated.

>>2279184
he didn't cry his eyes got watery
>>2279187
you say potato i say potato

most people will accept that if you act like you're getting ready for a fight with someone that person can attack you first

>>2279183
I am not talking about abortion. I am talking about the fact that the guy was using trump's victory as a soapbox as a watershed moment for his movement - which includes treating American citizens as second class leading to their eventual elimination based on their skin color.

>>2279202
Oh ok.
I guess that means it's alright.
I guess an onion truck was passing nearby or something.

>>2279209
what are you trying to prove

are people supposed to like getting punched in the jaw or something

>>2279221
No, people who advocate for the forced dehumanization of the other shouldn't accuse others of being intolerant for introducing their face to the pavement.

>>2279230
>people who advocate for the forced dehumanization of the other shouldn't accuse others of being intolerant for introducing their face to the pavement.
>buzzwords
pure ideology

no one gives a shit about intolerance they're saying it's hypocritical and illegal, which it is

>>2279236
He should sue the protester then. :^)

>undercut
Neonazis are one hair color away from being undistinguishable from feminist dykes.

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>ethics of punching frogposters.

Frogposters are like goblins. they exist to be preyed upon by better memers.

>>2279241
y tho

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>>2279254
because punching nazis is apparently bad.

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>>2278970
Coz this shit happened in a western context?

>>2279110
>lynching is banter
Literally adding nothing to the conversation

>>2279241
I don't think outjewing the jew really applies in this case.

>>2278767
This, couldn't have said it better myself. However, I will say seeing a Nazi getting his clock cleaned doesnt necessarily go against my moral compass

>>2279363
Because people like you don't know the first thing about India and go ahead and try to judge stuff.

People who do "politically motivated violence" in India often have minor grudges to settle with each other, especially in isolated communities. Just a couple of years ago we had a riot in a village covered by the media, and after a week the local newspaper did the follow up and found that people who had beaten each other up and had destroyed each other's homes were helping rebuild each other's homes.

Journalism in India is generally very shoddy and the rapid expansion of the internet across india has only caused the quality of major newspapers to worsen.

>>2277721
He's a fucking nazi dude.

>>2279403
>Because people like you don't know the first thing about India and go ahead and try to judge stuff.

>Thread is about westerners and post is about nazi germany
>post about india
>gets upset when get called out for such blatant whataboutism
Once again, you are adding nothing to the conversation

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Chat shit, get banged. This wasn't self defence (the fash wasn't killed) but it was an effective gesture

>>2279419
You did notice that someone else dragged India as an example and I responded to that, or were you too self absorbed and wanted to post your fresh /v/ meme

>>2278920
Literally the first post to ever mention india in direct response to my post >>2278904. Stop being retarded

>>2279464
Meant for >>2279439

>>2279464
>some anon makes a baseless statement
>correct him
>another sperg arrives and says that you are adding nothing to the conversation.
If you want a 2 way convo, send him a PM.

>>2279471
Yea there was definitely a miscommunication on both sides. My bad senpai

>>2279479
it's alright.
Have a nice day.

>>2277721
The biggest joke about all this is that Spencer isn't a nazi, that's just a label the media slapped on him. Go on /pol/, they consider him a literal faggot and a milquetoast controlled opposition there.
The only """nazi""" thing this guy has ever done was saying that white people should have their own homogenous countries, that's literally fucking it.

So basically:

>media creates a narrative (Spencer is a nazi)
>it's okay to punch a nazi because muh cartoon and comic book characters did it
>therefore it's okay to punch Spencer

This sort of behavior is pretty damn dangerous and 100% of it is coming from the left. Remember, even when Republicans came up with similar nonsense narrative (Obama is a communist etc), they didn't use this to justify that it's okay to punch Obama supporters in the street.

>>2279518
>no true nazi.

>>2279524
Cheap bait. Try to do better next time.

>>2278672
PEPE IS-

>>2279531
>country is a multicultural country where significant portions of the population are made out of nonwhite people.
>"We must secure a homeland for white children"
Gee, I wonder why they called him a nazi. It's not as if his plan requires stripping away the rights of fellow citizens basd on their phenotypes.

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>>2279253
>CIA
>better meme

>>2279537
That was probably the best part.
It was Pepe being BTFO by masked wojack,

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>>2277721
Daily reminder the SA bronwshirts emerged precisely to protect right wingers from being attacked by communist thugs on the street.
Keep doing what you're doing leftards, you literally never learn from your mistakes and keep repeating them infinitely.

>>2279551
hothead.

>>2279553
>you should be free to advocate for treating fellowe citizens as subhumans on the pavement.

And the nazis only came to power because someone had the bright idea of pulling hitler in charge of government.

>>2279553
>Daily reminder the SA bronwshirts emerged precisely to protect right wingers from being attacked by communist thugs on the street.

Street violence was common on both sides.

>>2279553
half truth. that was the expressed purpose of all the political partys' thugs but all sides did attacking. the SA got in trouble with the law a number of times for killing communists not even during a fight

>>2279559
By the early 30s the communists became so frightened because everytime they attempted to hold a rally or a speech, they got beat the fuck up by the SA. Think of that the next time you try to start shit against the right.

>>2278672
That was a weak punch, someone should try again

>>2279573
There were paramilitary organizations present on all sides of the political spectrum in Germany at the time, even the fucking political moderates had one, you historically ignorant fuckstick.

>>2279573
yeah, probably because the weimar state was a joke.

All your talk of right supremacy and your spokesperson got punched while he was showing his Pepe badge.

>>2279579
weak punches for weak ideologies.

>>2277795

This. Here in America at least, we consider the right to speak freely to be very important. Remember that guy who said "The price of freedom is constant vigilance?" He wasn't just talking about keep an eye on the border. The preservation of a person's ability to act with relative freedom, particularly in what he says, requires vigilance of another kind. And vigilance will come at a cost. People will die who might not have otherwise, because we would not stifle someone who needed it.

The calculus for a society with these values becomes "as much freedom as we can reasonably get is worth the cost in bodies"

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>>2279524
I'll bite. How exactly is Spencer a nazi? Keep in mind that the same people calling him a nazi also called Milo (a Jewish homosexual who loves black cock) a nazi. The left is so eye scratchingly retarded they call everyone a nazi or a fascist, I remember when those labels got applied even to run of the mill cuckservatives like Reagan and Bush.

>>2279587
really causes one to have a sudden thought that increases awareness

>>2279585
Spencer isn't a spokesperson of anyone, he's a preppy rich WASP twink faggot who's probably never been in a fight before.
This is what happens when you start your shit against regular blue collar Trump supporters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK76SIygVBo

>>2279591
>People will die who might not have otherwise, because we would not stifle someone who needed it.
As opposed to the censorship that often precedes totalitarian governments bent on war?

>>2279594
because he is subscribing to racial theories of the nazi party like "securing a homeland for the german/white people" in a country that has significant nonwhile people living as equal citizens?

>>2279594
Also the entire
"you are with us or against us" thing during the iraq invasion is reminiscent of authoritarian governments who require blind obedience to the state?

>>2279605
>being an ethnic nationalist makes you a nazi
Really makes you think. Half the world is composed of nazis by your logic.

>>2279605
Nazi ideology was offensive (conquering other nations and seizing their territory), while the watered down nationalism Spencer peddles is strictly defensive and non-violent. Dude's a complete cuck who roleplays as white Gandhi.

>>2279616
>ethnic nationalist.
When it comes at the expense of fellow citizen, yes it is nazism.

Or do you think that just because the chinese colonize their border states and brush off diplomatic protests, its suddenly alright for the same to happen in america?

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Yiannonazi next please

>>2279616
>Half the World enforces racially based residency.

>>2279623
>offensive
yeah, which is why hitler went to extreme lengths to show himself as the defendant with his entire "gibs me dat ancestral german land"

And you are fucking dumb if you think that marginalizing large groups of people won't result in violence. Look at apartheid in south africa to see what can eventually happen,

>>2279625
>Czechoslovakia was nazi
>Poland was nazi
>Medieval Spain was nazi
>Greece was nazi
>USSR was nazi
Really fried my almonds

>>2279638
let him keep his delusions. He doesn't know that america is incredibly hard to immigrate to, especially if you are not european.

>>2279639
More like people like Spencer are trying to prevent shit like South Africa and Rhodesia where whites were the minority. Once America becomes majority non-white, it's game over for us.

>>2279599

Naw it's wrong when everybody does it. I'm not in favor of any plans the other side might have along those same lines. Just speaking as a matter of general principle as it relates to the OPs post. No, you can punch niggas 'cause you don't like their words, even if you think those words might lead to something bad, because either everybody is protected or nobody is and you certainly don't want to lose YOUR right to speak, so you better not take away anyone else's.

>>2279648

can't punch, shit

>>2279638
Actually it does. Look at Japan for example and how hard is it to get naturalized as an ethnic non-Japanese. Only a few countries in the west have this civic patriotism nonsense.

>>2279641
>da poles were oppressing da germans who dindu nuffin
>the czechs were oppressing da germans who dindu nuffin

>>2279639
>marginalizing large groups of people won't result in violence
Oh don't you worry, there absolutely will be violence, to the point you'll be wishing you only had to face non-violent cuckolds like Spencer.

>>2279647
the difference between rhodesia SA and the USA is that that the USA successfully integrates it's immigrants and it's minorities.

>>2279660
>Expulsion of other ethnic groups is only nazi when it's not done against Germans

>>2279663
>haha, race war soon bois.
how are you going to fight a war with no insurance cletus?

>>2279666
>USA successfully integrates its immigrants
Yeah, only the white and Asian ones, not the shitskins.

t. I live in Phoenix

>>2279669
Oh please the germans were the ones that made it part of their state policy.

>>2278672
was the assailant black?

>>2279673
funny I live in tulsa and apart from nigs being hoodlums I see every other brown person integrating.
Or do they not count?

>>2279677
white.

>>2279653
>only a few countries in the west have this civic patriotic nonsense.
yeah, it's not like the largest democracy in the world has an absolute shit ton of ethnicities that coexist relatively peacefully.

>>2279678
>I live in Tulsa
Wow you live in a flyover plains lilly white city with barely any minorities and you don't see troublesome shitskins around you, what a revelation. I guess you only prove Spencer right.
Here when you go to South Phoenix you can barely get around by speaking just English.

>>2279690
>America
>peaceful coexistence of ethnicities
Do we live in the same country? Have you checked the murder rates recently and compared them to Japan or Europe?

>>2279692
>North tulsa doesn't have black people.
>it's not one like TU is arguably the most prestigious oil school in the world that has a shit ton of international students.

>>2279549
But citizens of his ethnostate would in turn strip their own right of citizenship to the multicultural part, its not a one way street.
He is first and foremost a secessionist.

>>2279702
>America
>The World's Largest democracy
I can tell you're an expert on foreign affairs.

>>2279704
>expecting anyone to know anything about some literal who city in the middle of assfuck
And if you think blacks are successfully integrated in the US then I have no idea what to tell you.

>>2279653
>Japan is half the world.
>Japan likes other asians
Really amazing.

>>2279709
Wasn't even referring to that part you stupid fuck. America is one of the most ethnically divided countries on the planet and by far the most divided in the west.

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>>2279711

>>2279710
>Literally who city.
>doesn't know about black wall street.
>doesn't know about how important tulsa was to early oil exploration the US and elsewhere.

>>2279716
>Wasn't even referring to that part you stupid fuck.
Which part were you referring to you mongoloid? You were responding to a post with one sentence.

>>2279730
>Tulsa
>important
Stopped reading there.

>>2279720
OK, show me the map of countries with racially based citizenship?

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>>2279702
>America is the largest democracy in the world
>>2279720
And what does that have to do with ethnicity?

>>2279732
The democracy part is what I wasn't referring to, you foreign troglodyte. There is no peaceful ethnic/racial coexistence in the United States.

>>2279733
>Phoenix
>More Important
Lol.

>>2279711
Most countries on earth legitmize their borders by the ethnic group or a certain kind of ethnic groups that is living on them is what he means and most nonwestern countries care for their demographic balance.

>>2279738
Only some new world countries like America issue you a citizenship based on where you were born, jus sanguinis and leges sanguinis countries (read: most of the world) do it based on your ancestry.

>>2279743
>6th largest city in the United States is somehow less important than some glorified truckstop in buttfuck Oklahoma
Okay retard.

>>2279594
Man in hindsight all the comparisons of Bush to Hitler make the left look like shrill lying assholes. The guy was a standard Republican and they called him Hitler, is there any wonder why the accusations aren't sticking to Trump?

>>2279746
They do it based on your parent's Citizenship, not your ancestry. I suppose americans think both things are the same.

>>2279740
>yeah, it's not like the largest democracy in the world
>yeah, it's not like the largest [s]democracy[/s] in the world
Literally a fat joke.

>>2279751
>The biggest glorified truckstop in buttfuck nowhere is somehow important.

>>2279753
The ius sanguinis is derived from blood and was made with ethnicity in mind in most eurasian states.

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>>2279752
They also called Reagan Hitler, and Nixon, and Romney, and pretty much every Republican ever.

Leftist rags also published articles about Milo calling him nazi, alt-right or white supremacist, to the point he actually had to threaten them with libel suits so they cut that shit out. Leftists are completely brainfucked.

>>2279751
>A city that had one of the most prime examples of a black community thriving in it during the early 20th century and a place that was once called the oil capital of the world is unimportant.

>>2279762
>literally less than 100 thousand people pre 50s
>important.

>>2279787
Are you talking about Tulsa or Pheonix, I literally can't tell.

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>there's people in this thread who think fucking TULSA OKLAHOMA is more relevant than Phoenix
I mean if you're this delusional then there's no point in arguing with you.

>>2279775
Hey, can you give me some sources to learn more about the black community in Tulsa?

>>2279794
>there are people on the planet who think american cities other than los angeles and new york matter whatsoever

>>2279792
Phoenix you dumbfuck.
Tulsa had 180 thousand people by 1910. It's population has kept pace with the US and it is pretty important to the oil and gas industry worldwide.

>>2279794
It's like arguing whether Burundi or the Gambia is more relevant to global military affairs.

>>2279800
>Tulsa had 180 thousand people by 1910.
That is literally a village.

>>2279803
It still is, their entire MSA combined doesn't even break one million. I mean Tulsa is the kind of place that makes Columbus Ohio look like a megalopolis.

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>>2279798
>implying everything from Inland Empire to Phoenix isn't just one giant suburb of LA

>>2279803
Phoenix in 1940 had 65 thousand.

>>2279795
here
http://greenwoodculturalcenter.com

>>2277721
But randomly punching a guy isn't going to harm his political agenda.

>>2279798
>if I'm not relevant then nobody is
Nice try Jim Bob.

>>2279805
>dude this city is so tiny in [CURRENT YEAR], it was always this small.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_Capital_of_the_World

here, it was important enough for most of it's history and has a pretty diverse religious and ethnic makeup, especially when you compare it to the rest of Oklahoma.

>>2278327
Then you kick their skulls in as well.

>>2279824
Who give a flying fuck about how big it was 100 years ago you retarded hick? Galveston used to be the biggest city in Texas, now it's a glorified Houston suburb.

>>2279830
How would you find and catch all of them?

>>2279824
>pretty diverse religious and ethnic makeup, especially when you compare it to the rest of Oklahoma
>compare it to the rest of Oklahoma
So instead of 5 fat honkeys it's 3 fat honkeys , one negro and a dead armadillo. Really the pinnacle of ethnic diversity, you folks in Tulsa truly know what multiculturalism is unlike completely homogenous cities such as Phoenix.

>>2279824
>we wuz oil

>>2279832
>only the current year matters
this is not how history works you mongoloid.

Tulsa was more important to race relations in the US than phoenix ever was. It was an important part of the oil economy for a long time.

Yes the current city is small and memeworthy but it doesn't change the fact that a city that has largely plenty of minorities living in it is important to look at as an example of race relations in the US.

>>2279844
>muh lily white town suddenly became a giant manufacturing hub and niggers started moving in droves.
>this makes my view important on how race relations will be in the US, fuck da past.

>punching someone because he holds a speech is "self defense"
This is some Iraq war tier logic.

>>2279856
>only the current year matters
It pretty much does when we're talking about personal experience and I sort of doubt you were alive in the early 1900s.

>>2279850
>wuz
more like
>WE IZ NATURAL GAS AND CLEAN ENERGY AND SHEIT.

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>>2279866
Nobody gives a fuck. Pic related is on par with Tulsa when it comes to relevance.

>>2279865
I was talking about diversity.
Seeing as tulsa has 15% niggers, 5% reservation monkeys and the like, it is not exactly homogeneous.

>>2277721
Yes. Locking some people in cages--and welding the cages shut--is a form of assault, force, confining. People who merely babble about sex between adult and child should be locked up forever until they die. This is a defensible offensive. Sanity.

>>2279875
>Oil isn't important.
please.

>>2279809
>Phoenix in 1940 had 65 thousand.
That is a small village. They're both still tiny.

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>>2279881

>>2279865
>It pretty much does when we're talking about personal experienc
Maybe you should try talking about history on the history board?

>>2279893
>trying to deflect this hard
Look faggot, this is what started the debate: >>2279673
Which was countered by >>2279678

So it's very much only about personal experience. I think you weren't around to remember Tulsa 100 years ago when you claim it was relevant.

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>>2279888

>>2279901
Gorgeous af.

>>2279900
But you are wrong you moron.
Tulsa's history is more important than phoenix's when it comes to racial tensions in the US.
After all, how many riots do you have where one side actually bombs houses using left over ww1 planes?

>>2279900
>So it's very much only about personal experience.
Then perhaps you might want to take this to a board where it's more relevant. People usually get awfully testy when steered toward a particular board for this kind of discussion, so I'll say that perhaps /b/ or /s4s/ might be more appropriate for the kind of discussion you're looking for?

>>2279771
Yiannonazi wore Nazi regalia. You've been brainfucked by a second rate Oswald Mosely.

>>2279914
who likes sucking nigger dick.

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>>2279909
>minorities in the US coexist peacefully and integrate well
>and my proof of this is Tulsa Oklahoma a city literally only known for race riots and urban violence 100 years ago

>>2279914
>wore Nazi regalia
When?

>>2279921
Yeah, a neonazi who likes sucking nigger dick. Isn't that the most pathetic thing ever?

>>2279911
Tulsafag here. My point was that the place where I live has had a history of both successful black community enterprises and excessive racial violence. It is also pretty diverse despite being a smaller city.

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>>2279914
>you can be an open promiscous effeminate homosexual, an ethnic Jew, a nigger cock connoisseur, a promoter of racial equality and capitalism, a George Bush fanboy, and STILL BE A NAZI somehow

>>2279923
>race riots
>conveniently leave out greenwood altogether or the fact that niggers are largely integrated now.

>>2279771

My favorite story was when some hippie called George Wallace a nazi and he said "I was killing nazis while you were shitting your diapers"

>>2279743
Dude Phoenix is fucking gargantuan

>>2279944
4U

>>2279938
Yep, that's kind of the biggest irony, that on one hand these jokers are talking about their grandfathers killing nazis while claiming people who today hold beliefs similar to their grandfathers are nazis.

>>2277731
The mobilization of the Russian war machine, you mong.

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>>2279980
proof?

>>2279935
You became so tangled up in your bullshit you don't even remember which argument you wanted to present in the first place.

Agreed, to stop violence we should be violent. To prevent opinion policing, we should police opinions.

Holy shit, more leftists need to be fucking shot when they assault people. This is ridiculous.

>>2279927
>Milo is a neonazi
Are you just trolling us at this point or are you clinically retarded? Milo is just a typical libertarian who became a trump fanboy, there is nothing neonazi about him whatsoever. This is like saying Hillary Clinton is a communist.

>>2279993
It will be fun when they try pulling this shit on armed Trump supporters instead of sissified urbanites like Spencer.

>>2279992
>your bullshit
A person said that living in phoenix made him an expert of nonwhites.
I countered by saying that I live in tulsa (a more diverse city demographically and historicall) and I see people integrating just fine.

Then he got butthurt that flyover state yokels were talking to mr 6th largest city in [current year] on a history board.

>>2279795
here you go anon. found a better one.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/long-lost-manuscript-contains-searing-eyewitness-account-tulsa-race-massacre-1921-180959251/

>>2280009
>Tulsa more diverse than Phoenix
Your retardation has no limits holy shit. Phoenix is only 45% white.

>>2279987
Russia began mobilizing the day after AH declared war on Serbia, the Germans followed suit. Moot point because Russian mobilization was in response to AH's aggression and their promise to defend the Serbs, it had nothing (formally) to do with Germany.

>>2280014
Tulsa has 57% white people, 5% native americans and 15% african americans and 6% people of mixed racial heritage and 14.1% latinos.

Phoenix has a similar number of latinos which makes sense because it was historically a bordering state with mexico
>inb4 it was 90% white.
mexicans were considered white at that time.

>>2279944
But your wrong.

I've lived in both LA and Pheonix and La is much, much bigger.

I don't know what small town your from but Pheonix is chump change.

I mean it takes like about an hour to drive in a full circle around The Valley. Can't say the same about LA.

There's also the fact that there's almost nothing to do in Phoenix, half the time.

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>>2280037
>45 is somehow more than 57
Living breathing product of common core right here

>>2280039
Hello, dweller of one of only two or three other relevant cities.

>>2280014
>>2280014
>>2280037

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Tulsa,_Oklahoma

to continue my "big city" friend

White American: 62.6% (57.9% Non-Hispanic Whites)

African American: 15.6%

Native American: 5.3%

Asian American: 2.3% (0.5% Indian, 0.4%

Vietnamese, 0.3% Chinese, 0.2% Hmong, 0.2% Korean, 0.2% Burmese)[4]

Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander: 0.1%

Some other race: 8.0%

Two or more races: 5.9%

Hispanic or Latino (of any race): 14.1% (11.5%

Mexican, 0.4% Puerto Rican, 0.3%

Guatemalan, 0.2% Spanish, 0.2% Honduran, 0.2% Salvadoran)[5]

Amongst Tulsa's white population, 14.0% were of German, 13.6% British (9.1% English, 2.6% Scottish, 1.2% Scotch-Irish, 0.7% Welsh), 11.2% Irish, 3.0% French, 1.8% Scandinavian (0.8% Norwegian, 0.7% Swedish, 0.3% Danish), and 1.7% Italian ancestries according to American Community Survey 2011.[6]

Also


According to the 2011 American Community Survey, approximately 85.7% of residents over the age of five spoke only English at home. While Spanish was spoken by 11.0% of the population, people who spoke other Indo-European languages made up 1.0% of the population, and people who spoke Asian languages other than Indo-European languages at home made up 1.9% of the population. People who spoke other languages made up 0.4% of the population.[7]

As proof that non natives are generally good at integrating here.

>>2280045
>Diversity just means nonwhite.
you seem to be retarded.

40% of phoenix's population is Latino

62% of tulsa's population is white (including white latinos)

66% of Phoenix's population is white (including white latinos)

>>2280039
>I mean it takes like about an hour to drive in a full circle around The Valley. Can't say the same about LA.
That's because whoever designed the highway network in LA was a complete imbecile and you end up stuck in traffic for 2 hours every time you drive to the nearest Del Taco.

>>2279594
>The left is so eye scratchingly retarded they call everyone a nazi or a fascist
Just like the right does by calling everyone to the left of themselves communists. It goes both ways and everyone prefers to generalize.

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>>2280056
>white latinos
Literal oxymoron in America's case. Originally designed to denote actual 100% Spanish people but is absolutely meaningless since a bunch of beaners are calling themselves white, see pic.

Only non-white Hispanic = white.

>>2279830
Woo tough antifa.

>>2279553
Daily reminder that in the end it was communists who utterly annihilated your failed ideology and ethno-state.
Keep doing what you're doing rightards, you literally never learn from your mistakes and keep repeating them infinitely.

>>2278613
this solution assumes that 1) their is a murderer who wants to kill your friend; and 2) that you wouldn't be found guilty of conspiracy, or accessory, or whatever

>>2280072
>implying Stalin wasn't right wing

>>2278864

so probably a black person

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Non American here, why do US states hate each other so much?

>>2280063
So basically Phoenix has A giant slab of white people A giant slab of hispancip people and a few niggers and asians stuck in the middle like a PB&J sandwich.

This somehow makes it more diverse than a city which has (admittedly lower in total number)

A big slab of white pople
A smaller slab of black people
A similarly sized slab of mexicans
Small amounts of native americans
and a smaller number %age wise of asians
Oh and also mixed race people.

>>2279927
Consider that calling everything you disagree with "Nazi" may have been why you lost the election

>>2278876

>whenever someone comes up with the spineless lefty drivel, people can point to the webm

i'm not spineless i sucker punch people

>>2280078
Hey, I am just having fun here.
I work in the oil industry so I commute between Tulsa and Houston all the time.

It's kinda funny that people from middle east, the PRC, India, Africa and the like who are in the oil industry know about Tulsa while my fellow americans think it is just another boring city.

This is the American equivelant of Slavs CYKA BLYATing each other. "Poland Stronk!" "No, Ukraine is Stronk!"

>>2280092
I largely saw people argue with statistics and facts senpai.

>>2280086
Sucker punching is spineless


Say what you want about Nazi ideology, but neo-Nazis win almost every fair fight, some of the unfair ones, and don't fight like cowards either.

>>2280061
>FOX News says whoever voted for Hillary or is a progressive is in fact a communist
>FOX News also declares that punching communists is okay
>some right wing guy unprovokedly smashes Anita Sarkeesian's head with a wrench while she's giving an interview
>Fox News says it was perfectly justifiable because she was a communist

This is literally what's happening right now except in reverse.

>>2280097
Cyka blyat Commonwealth was this many square miles kurwa we used to own you, read wikipedia here.

>>2278864
>long-term consequences
Was going to prison part of his plan?

>>2280115
Well it is a handy aggregator for basic facts. I did provide a link to the smithsonianmag for a more in detailed look into tulsa from an eyewitness account.

>>2280105
>Sucker Punching is Spineless
>Nazis invade Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Norway and the Soviet Union without a Declaration of War
>Nazis capture hundreds of thousands of troops before the Soviet command even realizes there was a war going on
>proceed to ignore the rules of warfare and starve millions of POWs to death because "There are no rules in a fight" *tips fedora*
>Nazis always fight fair guyz.

>>2277721
>Richard Spencer advocates a white nationalism masquerading as nonviolent, despite his followers' clearly apocalyptic fantasy language
What the fuck? Do they not know what violence means?

>>2280133
I think he is talking about Neo nazis who just get high on meth and punch each other to the hospital.

Just like the germans on pervatin.

>>2280133
>Richard Spencer is an actual Nazi
>neo-nazis are as bad as nazis
You've taken the meme too far.

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>>2280133
He said neo nazis not nazis. And he's right, whenever there's skinheads vs antifa or something, the skinheads always win unless it's just 5 antifas ganging up on one neo nazi or something. It's the epitome of cowardly bitch fight.

>>2280115
Remove yourself. Hohol Hoholovich disproved this myth years ago in a study published only in the people's republic of lower Donbas.

>>2280142
I'd love to see an academic source on that.

>>2280063
Because most states are fucking parasites leeching off the economic success of the rest.

Hey phoenixman, any links to what the spoken languages are like in phoenix?
Kinda curious to see what it's like.

>>2278476
>nazis
>ethnically cleansing the world of non-whites

kill yourself

>>2277721
So seeing that commies, antifa, lestist scum in general, Muslisms,blacks and non-whites in general also cause violence, then striking them preemptively is also fair play. Nice knowing that.

>>2280162
*europe of non-whites and slavs
fixed

>>2280151
Misquote?

>>2280166
Also arresting them. Nice justification for fascism.

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>>2280168
Slavs WERE the nazis. In fact they were the most brutal nazis of them all.

>>2277721
>Richard Spencer
>Nazi

Is this what simpletons believe?

>>2280177
>we germans dindu nuffin, we wuz good bois, the slavs were the nazis all along.

>>2280182
I'm a Slav m8.

>>2280133
I'm talking about neo-Nazis

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>>2280186
I have to post this

Also I am kinda sad that people in this board aren't interested in history at all.

>>2280149
>academic
The best you'll get is news coverage, and the trend is plain to see

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>>2280196
But I am interested in history. Slavs who didn't ally with Hitler were bitch niggas who deserved every single bit of what they got :^)

>>2279670
Is this real?

>>2280208
About as real as the inevitable race war.

>>2280207
You mean they did't get completely obliterated by the soviets like all the "ukrainian" "volunteers" did?

>>2279670
Did that sentence make sense in your head?

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>>2280214
>WW2 Croatia saw living standards greatly improve over Kingdom of Yugoslavia
>WW2 Slovakia is remembered as the national golden age by people who lived there
Meanwhile 50% of Poland got massacred, top fucking kek.

>>2280215
well I was responding to a person who legitimately believes that a race war is going to be upon us when the state is surveying what kind of porn we download.

>>2279203
You are clearly not following this.

>Spencer believe blacks are inferior, government should kill them or whatever
>Someone punching him is thus morally just because it is legitimate preemption

>Feminists think fetuses are subhuman, and abortions should be allowed.
>Burning down an abortion clinic would prevent this, and so is legitimate preemption.

You cannot be both for punching Spencer and against burning abortion clinics; not without being a hypocrite.

>>2280229
And literally how is the ability to fight connected to having insurance

>>2280230
>Spencer believe blacks are inferior, government should kill them or whatever
Factually untrue.

I mean it's okay if you shit on Spencer, I don't even like the guy, but at least criticize him for things he actually wrote or said instead of media strawmen. If you're unwilling to do that then just shut the fuck up.

>>2280201
Yes, confirmation bias is indeed a thing.

>>2280230
Fetuses aren't fully developed human beings. and can have an actual health hazards to their mothers. If a woman feels like she is mentally or physically incapable of raising a child in this world she should have the right to terminate it, especially as it is linked to her body.

How is that the same as saying that free american citizens that are already out of their mother's cooch need to be exterminated to make sure that white children have a safe future?

>>2280236
Gee, I dunno cletus. I am sure all the city cops that are paid for by the state government and are largely paramilitary now with the milsurp gear will just let you walk up and kill of libruls while they clap.

>>2280149
I can post videos where this exact thing happened, and you cannot post videos where the opposite happened. I think that pretty much proves me right.

>>2280253
>let you walk
Nah m8, this is the part you don't get. The cops will be the ones doing the cleansing :^)

>>2280245
>Fetuses aren't fully developed human beings.
Neither are black people according to white supremacists.

>inb4 blacks aren't subhuman
That's only your opinion. In my opinion fetuses are human.

>>2280263
>in my opinion
Well mine is backed by scientific facts and yours is backed by....what exactly?

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>>2280262
>outsourcing ethnic cleansing.

>>2280245
Niggers aren't fully developed human beings. and can have an actual health hazards to white people. If a working white man feels like he's financially incapable of subsidizing niggers with his taxes he should have the right to terminate them, especially as it is linked to his wallet and safety.

>>2280277
You should argue your point before the supreme court.
Once they accept, you can start nigger removal clinics :^)

>>2280268
>>2280245
>imFUCKINGplying there is a "scientific consensus" about what constitutes a human being
The only scientific consensus is that a unique DNA gets created, at conception.

>>2280282
How hard is your ass gonna hurt once Roe v Wade gets repealed?

>>2280284
And it is dependent upon it's mother's body for nutrition and continued growth and can cause health complications to the mother.

Saying that the mother should give up her right to live so that she can die with a collection of cells is pretty asinine.

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>>2280304
>not killing your child = giving up your right to live

>>2280289
on a scale of 0 to 10, I would say 2.

>>2280312
>pregancies don't have medical complications for both mothers and babies.

>>2280316
>pregnancies automatically result in death
Did you get hibernates in the 1400s or something?

>>2280330
>every mother that is pregnant is going to give birth to a completely healthy and vibrant human bean, even if her body can't support it, she has been raped or because daddy forced himself on her.

>>2280345
Yeah a vast majority of them is. This is the biggest non-argument I've ever read on this board and that's saying something.

>she has been raped
Yeah because rape pregnancies are so common. It's in fact so absurdly rare we shouldn't even bother with it. If a woman doesn't want to risk pregnancy she shouldn't have sex.

>>2280357
No, if a woman feels like she isn't capable of having a baby she should be able to abort.

>>2280367
>she isn't capable of having a baby
Then don't fuck or use an adequate protection. You shouldn't get to murder people just because you cannot restrain your libido you spoiled whore.