Did Dutch history actually happen? For some reason we're

If you ain't Dutch you ain't much.

Pity the genetic cream of the crop of Europe is being BLACKED and ABDULED into oblivion.

>>2262801
>They magically then are able to win their independence from the one of the strongest European empires

Ahem...

>Holy

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>>2262878
>Roman

>>2262878
i was referring to the hapsburg empire

>>2262853
t.DIDF

>>2262910
Also known as the

>Holy

>>2262914
the 80 years war was fought only against spain

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>>2262903
>Empire

>>2262801
Britain was never "under Dutch control" so to speak. A Dutch stadtholder was made King of England during a coup because he married an English princess. He then started to prioritise his English possessions which led to the decline of Dutch naval power.

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>How did a small trade republic fuck over one of the strongest Empires around

Ain't like shit like that hadn't happened before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GtOmTLnlXU

THe "Michiel de Ruyter" movie explains it pretty well tbf

God created the world the Dutch created the Netherlands.

To bad its overrun by refugees, and governed by incompetent lying politicians now.

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>>2264695
By switching sides

the spanish "empire" was a meme empire in europe
europe was all about the french, habsburgs and ottomans up until prussia was born

>>2262910
Same thing unitiated one.

The habsburg blood line controls EVVERYTHING even remotely european.

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>>2262878

Because it was an internal revolt within the Habsburg Empire. Although there were some administrative centres and bureacracy directly serving the State in all constituent territories, the pillar of effective control still resided in the hands of the nobility, church, city councils and so on. That's why it was relatively easy to revolt, and it frequently happened in most states in the XVI and XVII. The modern architecture of the nation-state wasn't there.

The revolt succeded at the beggining under the Union of Utrecht encompassing pretty much all of the Low Countries with the exception of the yellow part in pic related, which is nowadays french clay for the most part, and Luxemburg.

Over the next decade the revolt was eventually cornered into just Zeeland and Holland proper, but the French situation of civil war and the imminence of a protestant victory there induced Phillip II to order the Army of Flanders under the Duke of Parma to intervene in France. Which a prevented a protestant victory as Henry of Navarre had to convert to Catholicism, but gave a break to the dutch revolt which was thus able to recover much of the lost ground while Parma was in France.

>>2264761
KEK

>>2264761
Spain was the only thing that maintained the habsburg as holy roman emperors.

>>2264716
9 and 10 are bullshite, there was only the beginning of National identity in the 1600's. People primarily identified with their city, then with their province (The republic had 7) and only after that with the Republic itself.

>>2262801
The Netherlands were allready the financial centre of Europe before the revolt. Antwerp was one of the most Wealthy cities in the world as were some of the other ones. When the revolt broke out and Flanders and Brabant became a warzone a lot of rich influential families left for the northern Netherlands, shifting the economical power from Spanish controlled land into the republic. The Northern Netherlands had not been poor before the switch, but now were the wealthiest economic region in Europe. Except for some parts of Italy maybe.

>>2264860
>Being attacked constantly by France
>Help them when prostestants are about to win
>Aggravate the problems of your empire

Feels good to be the catholic defensor

>>2262878
>>2262910
Do you mean Spanish empire?

>>2264728
>France and the >Most >Serene >Republic go to war with each other
>both end up winning

really makes you think...

>>2264904

Well, he had to do it because catholic reasons but also because a protestant France would have probably attacked anyway.

The position in the entire old Burgundian realm was untenable as the revolt dragged on. Too far away, a long and complicated line of logistics, and no cooperation as usual from the Vienna Habsburgs. There were some voices in Castille telling the King to just forget about it, as the spending of resources was enormous and it was killing Castille, the one carrying the bulk of the costs, but dynastic pride and the upper nobility wouldn't listen.

>>2262801
The only country to ever lose a fleet to a cavalry charge.

>>2262801
>They magically then are able to win their independence from the one of the strongest European empires
It wasn't magic.It was France

>>2264761
>the spanish "empire" was a meme empire in europe
How? It was basically unbeatable from the Italian wars to Rocroi

>>2264986
Story please

>>2265040
Empel I think. Maybe he means another battle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Empel

>>2265040
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_the_Dutch_fleet_at_Den_Helder

>>2265052

delet this

>>2264761
>French

France was a mess, which was one of the reasons the Netherlands managed to amass so much wealth and power. It was Louis XIV who knocked them back to a regional power in 1672.

>>2265007
it could never compete for european hegemony
did it challange france? no
did it challange austria? no, quite the contrary, became the tool of habsburgs
did it challange great britain? it did and failed
did it challange russia? no
did it challange the ottomans? yes protected itself, but couldnt expand its sphere of influence in northern africa

hell, even the short lived swedish empire had more inpact on european history than the spanish empire

>>2265084
>who is IV. Henry of France

>>2265091
>did it challange france? no
It defeated France in at least 10 Italian Wars, in the Portugese succesion War, the War of the Jülich Succession and the First Genoese–Savoyard War, they also fought a bunch of indecisive wars but the Spanish won way more than the French won.
>did it challange austria? no, quite the contrary, became the tool of habsburgs
The Spanish were Habsburgs, so they were their own tool. Got it.
>did it challange russia?
Was Russia relevant in the 1600's for western europe?

>>2265102
I'm talking about the period after him actually, and Henry IV had actually just ended a time religious wars in the country. And while mess may have been an overstatement, France had a lot of internal struggles in those times.

>>2265091
>did it challange france? no
Yes it did to the point that France formed an alliance with the ottomans
>did it challange austria? no, quite the contrary, became the tool of habsburgs
Charles left Austria to his brother and Spain to his son as he knew that the spanish empire was the powerful branch inside the Habsburghs.
>did it challange great britain? it did and failed
Great Britain didn't exist and England lost the first and the second anglo-Spanish war
>did it challange the ottomans? yes protected itself, but couldnt expand its sphere of influence in northern africa
But it did
>hell, even the short lived swedish empire had more inpact on european history than the spanish empire
>did it challange russia? no
This is just moronic
Simply false

>did it challange great britain? it did and failed
>did it challange russia? no
>did it challange the ottomans? yes protected itself, but couldnt expand its sphere of influence in northern africa

>>2265091
>did it challange great britain? it did and failed
Do you know about the anglo-spanish war 1585-1604 and the Treaty of London? I bet not. Probably you only know about Armada Invencible but not the real facts about it.

>>2265135
correct, the point is you couldnt do much in europe without the french becoming involved, cant say the same about the spanish

>>2265110
>>2265150
>>2265160
massive pedro butthurt wikipedia history experts
go grown up and learn a thing or 2 about european politics

>>2265204
I'm in this board to learn so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. If you can give some sources about european politics I'll read it and try to understand your point of view.

>>2265204
I am actually Dutch, kankerspanjolen mogen oprotten.

But, you are pretty much a dummy. Look at the major European wars from 1550 to 1650. Spain was involved in almost all of them.

Nice arguments btw, really convincing!

That tends to happen when jews come to your country fleeing other european countries.
Wherever jews go, gold appears.

>>2265091
Jesus Christ

This is some fanfiction here. It's literally common knowledge that Spain was the strongest European power between Italian Wars and 30 years wars, in 30 years war France replaced them.

>>2265204
>go grown up and learn a thing or 2 about european politics
>learn a thing or 2 about european politics
>Uses terms like Britain and Russia in the context of XVI century Europe

>>2262801

No, they gradually built up their trading Empire, they had centers in Norway and other places in the North Sea, they were Frisians, they had a history of trading.

> https://www.ft.com/content/ecdbbd22-6ac0-11e4-a038-00144feabdc0

> But what the traders did on the coast around Domburg was quite astonishing: they changed minds. For a start they invented cash: coins you use every day, not just to pay taxes in gold. They went up to the southern coast of modern Norway and down to where Calais now stands. They rowed and poled their barges in the shallow water, and set out over the sea to England and Scotland; they connected peoples, they exchanged things and they shipped out their taste and their goods. They took their coins from one kingdom to another.
~ Michael Pye
> The Edge of the World: How the North Sea Made Us Who We Are

>>2264577
Eternalness is inherent in the English lands. It corrupts all who set foot upon it. How sad.