This country has never Done anything impressive militarily, what

>>2260262
Nothing. It's THE most disappointing !empire to ever have existed.

We never really needed to
We aren't like France or Germany who spends their history constantly fucking with people

>>2260290
By using technology invented by the Soviet Union

>>2260290
yeah. Stanley Kubrick truly was a visonary film maker :^)

>>2260291
which was technology invented by Germans

but if we include "melting pot" cases we will be here forever

>>2260262
>This country has never Done anything impressive militarily
First atomic bomb?

>>2260262
>becomes globally dominant by doing literally nothing

are you guys out in the rest of the world even trying?

>>2260381
By using technology from Germany

>>2260388
That's the way you do it. You can't let one guy turtle on a continent for two centuries while you fight over Europe and Asia. They're just going to build up a doomstack and stomp you.

Which is why we have to do something about Australia.

>>2260291
You mean Germany?

>>2260262
Defeating the 1990s Iraqi army, which was the worlds fourth largest army, in 100 hours was probably the only thing I'm mildly impressed by.
t. American

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BTFOing imperial Japan

>>2260779
True that the US actually did most of the work there, but Japan was relatively backwards and nowhere close to an equal power

>having military bases across the world
>you can speculate all you want on the space race, but the fact that America was able to compete with ussr and pump out new technologies is impressive to me.
>they havent done much militarily yet, thank god, but its impressive that they COULD end the world

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>>2260417
My friend, my friend.

Do you not know the real enemy?

>>2260390
Then why are we sitting here discussing America as one of the premier nuclear powers of the Earth and not Germany?

All technology and science is built on the backs of others. Credit goes to the person who made the final steps.

Gave us Disney, without which there would be no anime.

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>>2260390
>drive out your own people with fascism
>call it "using technology from x" when they join the other side to subvert you
>seriously implying Germany was anything close to the bomb by 1945

nordcucks

>>2260976
>Then why are we sitting here discussing America as one of the premier nuclear powers of the Earth and not Germany?

Germany could quite easily build a nuclear arsenal if they wanted to, they don't want to.

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>>2261167
And America could build 20,000 ICBMs on top of the ones it currently has active if it wanted to; it's not a matter of potential its a matter of achievements and the US has achieved more in the way of warfare than any other country on the planet.
You don't get to bitch it got it "unfairly" or whatever pedantic excuse you want to come up with for why the US trounces your country in comparison, the fact is life is unfair. Get over it.

>>2260262
Nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki was pretty impressive

>>2261371

Any developed country could build as many ICBMs as they want to. The reasons they don't are entirely political.

You quickly degenerated from any semblance of attempting to make a serious point to just shitposting.

It's like a western Japan but fatter, both people and country.

>>2262007
>Any developed country could build as many ICBMs as they want to.
Britain has a hard time maintaining the ICBM force they already have.

>>2262023
>Britain has a hard time maintaining the ICBM force they already have.

The British discussion over whether to maintain an ICBM force revolves around how many millions they want to spend a year.

Like any developed country if they had the political will to do so they could just spend a few billion a year and build up a massive ICBM force.

They don't because they have better things to spend the money on,

>>2260262
Let's see, first to nuclear weapons, this is probably the biggest one.

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>>2260262
>This country has never Done anything impressive militarily

>>2260262
USA is objectively the greatest and most impressive state in the history of human existance.

t. non-American

>>2262105
This.

No other country in history has accomplished so much in less than 300 years. While from a military standpoint, the US has never had many impressive victories over other countries (because they never had to), America has used their advantages in pretty much every other realm to become the dominant world power.

US economic strength in history is unparalleled by any other region on earth. No other country has been as important to the world economy as the US. Not to mention that the US military pretty much guarantees the free flow of shipping in international trade.

Since the 1950s, the United States has been the premier nation in scientific exploration and discovery.

The explosive population growth of the United States, mostly from immigration, has lead to the US becoming massive in population, and the US was able to support that population all the way through.

American diplomacy has probably been the most effective since Bismarck (up until recent decades). The US has put forth diplomats, most notably Henry Kissinger (despite being of German origin), who have emerged as champions in the diplomatic arena allowing the US to become the world power it is today.

What America has accomplished is unparalleled in history, and while geography may have not granted them opportunity for major military victories, the US has made itself dominant in pretty much very other realm only to make itself the most powerful military force by far in modern times.

>>2260262
Mobilize one of the worls largest army overseas. War is all about logistics and no one is better at it than america.

Projecting a fully mechanized 4+ million man army, navy, and air force over 3,000 miles of ocean and annihilating a multi-million man army upon getting there, sweeping through western Europe with a casualty ratio of 6:1 in only ten months. While, at the same time, fighting the largest air war in history, bankrolling all their allies, and fighting the largest naval war in history on the other side of the planet.

Objectively, there is only one military achievement in human history that even comes close or possibly surpasses it.

>>2262094

First war shows up after war already over when there were millions of dead on both sides and declares themselves sole victor.

Second war, shows up late and ignores the tens of millions of Soviets dead and claims victory all by themselves again.

>>2260793
>relatively backwards
were they relatively backwards when they had the 2nd largest navy in the world or when they BTFO the British and Americans early in the war?

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>Promptly end two World Wars soon after entering them

Whew lad

War is only over when one side quits, and the other side decides to accept surrender; or when one side is completely incapable of waging war and monarchs or politicians are apprehended. Americans were late because it wasnt their problem, but built up their army, navy, and supplies because they knew it eventually would be.

>>2262479

Germans only surrendered to Allies out of spite to the Soviets.

Same thing for the Japanese.

The abombs gave them an excuse to surrender to the allies after the Soviets wrecked their million man army in only a few weeks in Manchuria.

>>2260262
Create the most powerful state in human history

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>>2262500

>>2262502
Pic unrelated

>>2262502
lel

>operation overlord
>not impressive

>>2262490
but it still wouldnt have happened unless they got spanked. if Normandy was a failed invasion, if the navy didnt push through the Pacific, if...

>>2262518

Soviets still would have beat Germany if Normandy failed.

Maybe 1946, but it would have still happened.

Except that France and West Germany would be Communist.

>>2260291
>By using technology invented by the Soviet Union
wat

The nature of being so isolated from the rest of the world doesn't introduce much of a possibility for "epic" struggles like the eastern theater of WW2. But we've still had some impressive campaigns in the Pacific and essentially own this hemisphere. What more could we ask for given the constraints.

>>2262663

What if Japan could have followed through with their invasion of Siberia and the USSR would have never had those critical 20 Siberian divisions to reroute to defend the Moscow region

what if Lend Lease hadn't bought their production time while they were moving all of their factories east?

who knows

>>2262502

Talk about a country with a really, really ancient history that has never accomplished anything of military note other than fucking themselves over and over

beaten by Japs, beaten by Viets, beaten by Mongolians, beaten by European missionaries and expeditionaries, every single meme that wanders into China beats their shit in

>>2262105
>>2262311

a child sitting alone in a sandpit can build quicker and better a sandcastle than a child which has to share his sandpit with other children.

>>2262472
Japanese infantry combat doctrine was backwards as fuck and stuck in the 19th century. If America had fought the armies in Manchuria the blowout would have been monumental.

While their navy was one of the best and they gained several impressive victories early in the war US naval doctrine quickly outpaced them and turned their most powerful vessels into jokes.

>>2262007
That's not even close to true. Germany would bankrupt itself trying to maintain 20,000 ICBMs. Most countries on the planet are incapable of making ANY ICBMs at all, let alone hundreds, let alone thousands.
I seriously doubt Germany could make more than a few hundred ICBMs in its current state without outside assistance. It's far more than a matter of money, as you so foolishly assume. Very much of maintaining ICBMs is material science which Germany is not only behind in, but not attempting to pursue with much vigor at all, if any.

>>2260295
enjoy living a meme faggot

>>2262721
The US did fight the Japanese Army on the mainland and did blow them out pretty hard.
All in all the Japanese lost over a million men killed fighting just the US, while the US suffered 160k dead in comparison.
Japan was the second worst performing "modern" country in WW2, only Italy had a worse track record. China did fare quite horribly, which is where most of Japan's great victories come from after all, but when large parts of your armies are fighting with literal bamboo pikes I think it's best if you just ignore them when talking about pathetic performance.

The Kwantung Army wasn't even at full strength by the time the Soviets finally entered into the war. I'm not really trying to undersell the Soviet invasion of Manchuria here, it was well executed and displayed just how far the Soviets had come, but it was the equivalent of a 17 year old roid monkey kicking over a sand castle.
The Kwantung Army was at half strength, lacking in armor, aircraft, heavy weaponry, trucks, food, ammunition, anti aircraft, ships. It was just a husk, an army in name only. The Soviets didn't even fight the major troop concentrations, the Army was so immobile and under equipped they simply drove around any significant troop buildups because the Japanese had absolutely no ability to counterattack.

It just wasn't a fair fight in any way, shape or form. Russia was a juggernaut at the time, a real superpower. And Japan just was not. Not at all, never anything close to it. It was barely even a regional power, Japan only achieved success due to everyone else in the region being even more pathetic. As soon as Britain and the US sent in actual armies on a war path Japan just crumbled.

I seriously doubt that the Kwantung Army could have ever held in the face of a Soviet invasion past 1943. Even assuming the Kwantung Army stays at peak strength instead of being gutted to fill in losses in the Pacific and China, they still get steamrolled if you ask me.

The soviets also lost the most troops of any country in the world fighting at the time. the only reason it didnt fall was because stalin knew hitler wanted Moscow and diverged all the soviet might to stall the advance until the allies pressed forward enough to make the germans divert their attention to the west

ICBMs are more a matter of scientific and economic achievement. No country has ever launched one for militaristic purposes. Militaristic achievement should be measured by strategic and tactical success

>>2262770
I didn't use combat on the islands as an example because of the typical defense that they were under-supplied/nourished. The IJA just sucked all around.

>>2262502
WEW
Chinks don't get to brag about their army when they got fucking BTFO by Viets who were still recovering from the royal assrape the US had unleashed on them.

>>2260779

Wow, a bombing picture I've never seen before!

Any idea where this came from?

>>2260300
>by Germans
>who is Robert Goddard

>>2262721
>Japanese infantry combat doctrine was backwards as fuck and stuck in the 19th century.

t. person who never studied the IJA outside of memes.

The IJA's doctrine emphasized night attacks, very well-trained light infantry with lots of initiative given to lower level commanders, and concentrated armored assaults rather than parsed infantry support platforms. Its doctrine was considerably more modenr than France or Britain's for the first half of the war. Until 1942 (when standards advanced rapidly) their equipment wasn't particularly bad either. In fact, even throughout the war their light AT guns, mortars, and mountain artillery were praised by the Allies for excellent quality.

There was a reason that the Soviets themselves thought that the Japanese could BTFO their Far Eastern Front in 1941-1942 with rough numerical parity. And the Red Army of the time was frankly better than the French or British armies of 1939-1940.

>>2262919
The IJA's performance in those islet battles was great. Completely outnumbered and outgunned with very limited resources, against an enemy with complete air and naval superiority, they almost always managed to nearly break even on casualties taken to casualties inflicted.

>>2262770
>which is where most of Japan's great victories come from after all, but when large parts of your armies are fighting with literal bamboo pikes I think it's best if you just ignore them when talking about pathetic performance.

The 700,000-strong Chinese army that was engaged at Shanghai and Nanjing, particularly the German-trained core, was more or less an actual army rather than a ragtag militia force. Same with the 250,000-strong Chinese army that fought at Northern Burma and Western Yunnan, which was trained, equipped, and partly led by the Americans and even received a few hundred tanks via LL.

>>2260779
Is this image true?

>>2261371
>US has achieved more in the way of warfare

Not warfare. But military technology. They are not one and the same.

US military technology is mind-fucking-blowing

US warfare is so-so

>>2263330
>US warfare is so-so
How so?

>>2262490
>Soviets wrecked their million man army in only a few weeks in Manchuria

Literally never happened. Their army in Manchuria was still combat capable after the surrender. Also, the fighting only lasted 11 days.

they surrendered because the Americans had BTFO their navy and enacted a blockade and their country was literally starving.

>>2263330
You're going to have to define your terms.

Because on a tactical and operational level, the US is very, very good.

It's just that when you get to the strategic level, you start to run into the retards Americans elect to run things.

Like, the actual invasion of Iraq was a marvel. The US managed to invade a country with a military three times the size of their invasion force. They deliberately kept their invasion force to 100,000 men so that the buildup could be camoflaged until Bush gave the final ultimatum.

Then the US managed to bypass most of the Iraqi military, take Baghdad with like a regiment of dudes, and conquer the country in only four weeks with only a few hundred KIA.

The US carried the entire northern flank of their invasion with nothing but air strikes and some ODAs embedded with the local Kurd militias.

It's just that invading Iraq was a retarded thing to do on a strategic level, the actual execution of that retarded move was spectacularly well done. This is a pattern you find in many US wars.

>>2262502
t.zhang

>>2260779
>BTFOing imperial Japan
They were BTFO by the USSR much earlier

>>2263346
They're also probably the Western military with the most NCO's with actual combat experience, which can be invaluable.

>>2263358
When?

>>2263362
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Japanese_War_(1945)
Japs were BTFO

>>2263360
Unfortunately, the US has been losing talent very quickly as the military goes back to peacetime mode.

NCOs have higher pay grades, higher pay grades cost money.

Hopefully pre-sequestration military funding and SecDef Mattis will stem the bleeding.

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>>2263369
>1945
>They were BTFO by the USSR much earlier

>>2262703
>Talk about a country with a really, really ancient history that has never accomplished anything of military note other than fucking themselves over and over

That is true..from one perspective.

From the other perspective - civiizations like China or India had such a huge population and such a huge landmass that they actually had everything they wanted. They didnt have any need to expand their borders outside their natural realm.

And yes they got repeatedly conquered by outsiders..but their huge populations always ensured at the end of the day the conquerors were assimilated and became one of them rather than remaining distinct.

Just surviving for 4000+ years with their civilizations relatively intact is in itself a HUGE achievement. How many other civilizations have managed that ? Not many. Infact other than these two, none really.

>>2263378
>implying unified Chinese or Indian cultures are anywhere near 4,000 years old

I bet you think the Xia Dynasty happened.

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>>2263369

>>2263378
in what way is the present PRC in any way similiar to all the other chinese dynasties?

how good is America when it comes to science and technology?

>>2263390
Pretty good.

>>2263369
>engage the absolute dregs of an already depleted army
>have a two-fold advantage in men and multi-fold advantages in every form of materiel
>have drastically superior technology as all half-passable equipment is not being given to the dregs
>15-30% combat effectiveness per enemy division of is literally the norm
>attack with your own handpicked best troops
>still somehow get a bloody nose, don't even obtain a 2-1 casualty ratio, lose hundreds of tanks, have your advances checked in numerous areas as their main army is withdrawn to defensive redoubts, entire divisions literally run out of fuel and have to stop advancing as they are left stranded in the middle of nowhere
>"lel we btfo you"

soviet nuthuggers really are desperate huh. are they going to pull out Khalkin Gol as if it was an impressive performance next?

>>2263390
Depending on who you ask, like 8 of the top 10 universities in the world are in the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Intellectual_Property_Indicators

Apparently the Chinese figured out how to file patents at some point during 2016 though.

For the like hundred years before that the US led the world in patent applications.

Would you guys say America is the most technologically advanced country in the world right now?

>>2263390
As much as people on the internet like to meme about Mississippi as if its indicative of the entire US, the fact is the US is still the world leader in most everything, from medicine to computers to genetics research.
And if not the leader, then certainly on par with other countries.

Although a lot of the scientific community exists beyond borders already, so it's a bit odd to compare "science" between countries with so much of the Western world, and even the East, working together.
US does fund the biggest chunk of scientific spending of course, and that's the most defining metric when you get right down to it.

>>2263407
Well, it has the second highest labor productivity of any country on earth.

It probably produced the most new technology.

It depends on how you quantify it, really.

>>2263389
The PRC's record is pretty good in all honesty. From its guerrilla war against Japan, to defeating the larger and better equipped Nationalists, to the first few months of the Korean War where they routed an enemy with several times their firepower via pure skill, to the quick curb-stomp that was the Sino-Indian War.

>>2263407
Probably

>>2263414
What does that have to do with that anons question?

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>>2260390

>by using technology from Germany

Just because Einstein wrote a letter to FDR doesn't mean that the Manhattan project was German in origin. Nearly every notable person involved was American. Hell, one was even a fucking woman.

To be fair though America would not of been the economic powerhouse it is without slavery and black labor

>>2263418
mistake, wasn't meant to quote anyone. Was responding to the general meme that the Chinese suck at war.

>>2263420
Not to mention how the German nuclear weapons effort used an entirely different method of producing weaponized uranium iirc
>>2263421
quite ebin

>>2263420
Who was the woman?

>>2263414
>where they routed an enemy with several times their firepower via pure skill

The early 50s isn't 21st century warfare.

Air support was only available when there was good weather, and it wasn't nearly as good as modern PGM air support.

Most of Korea isn't tank country, and it was a pain in the ass to get artillery anywhere.

Most of the fighting in Korea was infantry, and the Chinese won the infantry fighting by weight of numbers.

This is incidentally the last time anyone managed to rout a US army, which is admittedly impressive.

>>2263421
>America would not of been the economic powerhouse it is without slavery and black labor

Slavery was an inherently inefficient economic system for everyone but a handful of aristocrats, the USA boomed after getting rid of it. Its economic strength always came from the north.

>>2260417

Australia is constantly gimped by drop bears, gasoline sniffing abos, coal magnates, and shitty beer. We have nothing to worry about. It's like trying to go for a Technological Victory, but your culture just lets you down every fucking time.

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>>2263428
The US did manage to eke out a slight lead over the commies in terms of air to air combat.

Why are Americans still fat though

>>2263441
Sugar.
Taht said, they've been surpassed by Mexico and I think the UK.

>>2263428
>Most of the fighting in Korea was infantry, and the Chinese won the infantry fighting by weight of numbers.

No they didn't. During the Second Phase Offensive where they pushed the UN all the way down to Seoul, they were actually outnumbered if you include the South Koreans. They only attacked with 450,000 men.

Also, negating the enemy's advantages like airpower is just another example of their great skill. Their infantry could negate enemy artillery and air advantages with clever use of digging in, camoflouge, and infiltration tactics. Their trucks couldn't though, so they got bombed. That's why the Chinese broke down so quickly, as an entirely light infantry force their logistics were unsustainable.

One area I think America is third world standards is healthcare quality

>>2263427

Gonna be honest, I can't remember the bitch's name. I just remember seeing an article about it a while back and going, "Oh I didn't know that" and then proceeded not to click on it because I simply lacked the will and had better things to do. Like shitpost on /tv/.

>>2263443
>if you include the South Koreans

The US literally spent the five years before the war deliberately gimping the South Korean military because they figured Rhee was liable to invade the North.

>>2263453
They were still there and they still fought, so they should still be counted.

>>2263447
Actually, the quality is the part the US gets right.

It's the pricing and distribution that are fucked.

If you look at long term cancer survival rates, the US kicks ass. It's just that a lot of people can't afford preventative care.

>>2263456
This is true. Those who are insured are pretty well off. But we have an unusually large uninsured population. That's part of why it's so hard to push reform through, most of the population won't actually notice any benefit.

>>2263414
>where they routed an enemy with several times their firepower via pure skill
Is that what they call complete tactical surprise (due to MacArthur's retardation, Chinese movements were mapped by the mile and had been for weeks) and a 10 to 1 manpower advantage and still failing to destroy the enemy army as planned?

Korea was proof for Communist China that they could in no way stand up to the West and had a lot of catching up to do. Despite almost everything going according to plan they only managed to force the West to retreat and only captured a scant few regiments.
Even the retreat ended up being quite organized and measured in most cases, the Americans being able to withdraw faster than the Chinese could follow, so even as the Chinese attempted to capture and destroy Vanguard elements at best they would managed to get artillery called down on their heads without ever seeing an American.

Korea is an embarrassment to American military history, but mostly in regards to MacArthur not being sacked and replaced in 1941. That he managed to not only hand the Philippines over to the Japanese in WW2, but hand North Korea over to the Chinese 9 years later, is proof that all the technology in the world can't fix stupid.

>>2263458
At least Truman finally did what Roosevelt should have done ten years earlier.

>>2263458
>Korea was proof for Communist China that they could in no way stand up to the West and had a lot of catching up to do.
I thought that the Gulf War was what pushed the PRC to modernize.

>>2263458
>
Is that what they call complete tactical surprise (due to MacArthur's retardation, Chinese movements were mapped by the mile and had been for weeks)

Taking advantage of your enemy's weakness is what a competent army does, yes.

>a 10 to 1 manpower advantage

Complete bullshit. The Chinese attacked with 450,000 men. At the same front, the UN forces had 423,313 troops (South Koreans had 223,950), supported by 75,000 Air Force personnel further down the peninsula and in Japan. The UN had numerical superiority in men and, more importantly, a many-fold advantage in firepower.

>>2263458
>Korea was proof for Communist China that they could in no way stand up to the West
Nigger the UN retreat literally cemented the PRC's then-shaky hold on China.

The Civil War just ended in 1949. The CCP had loads to prove themselves to the Chinese people. And the UN retreat did that. The fact that an army of western cunts *fell back in the face of a Chink army* was a major propaganda victory in China for the PRC. No matter the casualties of the later battles, all the average Chinese could care was that shit just fucking happened after a century of getting their shit pushed in.

>>2263476
>what is local manpower superiority
Sure, on the entire front maybe things weren't so lopsided, but in actual battles the Chinese leveraged much superior numbers to make up for their lack of heavy weaponry and air support.

Fun fact I bet you don't know. The Soviets never had more than a 2 to 1 manpower advantage over Germany in WW2, yet managed a 3-1 to 5-1 manpower advantage in their offensives.
Same deal here, only even more lopsided in favor of China.

Chosin for instance was 120k Chinese versus 30k Americans,

>>2263496
Oh of course it was a massive propaganda victory for them, but for the generals it was a very rude awakening for how far behind their military was. Most of their offensives failed to yield half the desired results. They succeeded in forcing the UN back, but they did so at greater loss of life and with far less casualties inflicted than planned.
At one point the Chinese believed they could take all of Korea, very much overestimating how badly the Americans had been defeated, only to come face to face with the full brunt of American combined arms.
Korea was a rude awakening to many on both sides.

That America was not invincible, but also that America was very strong still.

>>2263509
>b-but they outnumbered them at the point of contact

Nigga that is literally the entire point of tactics. They won those initial battles because US Army forget basic infantry tactics, not because they had more men.

>>2263421
>without slavery and black labor
America became an economic powerhouse after slavery and before the Great Migration so you don't have anything close to a point there.

>>2263532
No, they won because MacArthur was a fucking retarded and committed small amounts of the army at a time, completely ignoring the massive amounts of reports and elements that he was dealing with a massive Chinese army, and not just the remnants of the North Koreans.
When the tiny amount of men he sent to mop up shattered against an army ten times their size it left massive gaps in the UN line and forced a full retreat. Tactically, the US was more than sound, at most every turn despite lopsided odds to the extreme, it managed to stave off what was assuredly defeat. Strategically, the US was absolutely fucked at that point in time. It was only because of some pretty amazing tactical feats, and a lot of incapability on the side of the Chinese, that the retreat continued being a retreat and not a complete rout leading to capitulation.

The US retreat would have led to utter disaster had they been retreating from any army besides the Chinese one. The Chinese were incapable of actually capitalizing on just how lucky they ended up being. Everything went according to plan for them, and despite that they failed to destroy the US army in Korea.

>>2263421

how much has black labor been helping Africa attain superpower status

>>2263427
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leona_Woods

how good is US Healthcare

in terms of quality?

>>2263341

Simply lack of any consistent great military victories on its own other than the Pacific front.

Every other war it has entered it blundered at the strategic level with no clear end goals. Simply winning the battles to lose the war. That is most definitely not "achieving in war more than any nation"

>>2263346

You bring up the invasion of Iraq. What you fail to mention was the Iraqi army was an emaciated, hollowed out one after decades of sanctions operating shit tier weaponry, with a majority populace (shia that was seething at the regime in baghdad for the brutal repression. This is in addition to the general incompetence of the arab armies of today and america already having a willing ally in Kurds up North.

It was a brilliant exercise in logistics (americans are the best in the world by far in logistics) but nothing to write home about in action. It's only news if US had actually failed to do what it did.

Even then, US didn't have any clear idea what to do once the regime was toppled and no, it everything cannot be blamed on the politicians.

That is what I meant by US is the fucking beast in military technology, but nothing to write home about in war because war most certainly includes entering action with clearly identifiable and achievable goals and almost all US actions post WW have failed to do that,

>>2263633
Quality and speed of care is top notch if you have good insurance or can pay out of pocket.

>>2263378

Wiki says Shang dynasty was established in 1600 BC. So guess 3600 years. My mistake,

In the other case of India, the IVC had existed by 3000 BC. So 5000 years there.

>>2263635
The US performed quite well in Europe during WW2. Arguably better than the British did on average, although British performance in Europe was often on the lacking side.

>>2263414
>, to the first few months of the Korean War where they routed an enemy with several times their firepower via pure skill, to the quick curb-stomp that was the Sino-Indian War.


Re, Korean war - sure the Chinese had more numbers. Nothing to do with impressive technology or tactics or maneauvers. The adage quantity has its own quality was literally in play there.

Re, Sino-Indian war, that was possible because the eastern frontier of India was severely undermanned, under-equipped (almost all their good units and equipment were on the western frontier facing pakistan) and I think the Indians under their socialist PM had a retarded policy of considering the Chinese as their friends. And it wasnt the curbstomp you make it out to be. Only after 5 years there was another incident and this time the Chinese didn't have the success they had the previous time.

>>2263635
>Simply lack of any consistent great military victories on its own other than the Pacific front.
That's because there hasn't been any actual wars with comparable nations since WW2.

>>2263651
>>2263651
>Arguably better than the British did on average,

That was a low bar and you know it.

>>2263633

It's the best, but you have to be able to pay for it. Same thing is true for most things here.

>>2263673
You dont just count wars you like and leave out the ones you dont like.

The Korean War was a war, So was Vietnam. So was Afghanistan. And so was Iraq.

And the US performance in any of these wars was nothing exemplary. Nothing to call it has achieved more in war than any other nation

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>implying defeating and then reverse-engineering Hwan geomecha to keep their mantle burner aka 'The Yellow Stone' from breaking its chronostasial lock and destroying the Earth isn't an impressive military accomplishment

>>2263635
>Simply lack of any consistent great military victories on its own other than the Pacific front.

Only if you assume a British garbageman being present in an American unit automatically makes it an "allied effort".

The Western Campaign of 1944-1945 was an overwhelmingly American effort, and enormously successful. Operation Desert Storm saw the US slaughter the world's fourth-largest army, complete with 6,000 tanks, in just four days.

>>2263688
You brought up Iraq as an example of the US military not having great military tactics despite it being an absolute curbstomp, because it wasn't a peer of the US.
Then you say I'm leaving out Iraq because I said the US hasn't faced any militaries equal to it in size and sophistication?
What are you on about?

>>2263678
British performance in Europe proper was incredibly varied.
While the US had its stinker divisions like the 13th the British were a mixed bag based more on the time than the unit itself. They handled the D-Day landings extremely well and fought incredibly intense and trying combat at Caen, then had lackluster performance afterwards. Market Garden was one part paratroopers going above and beyond what one could reasonably expect, while the XXX Corps floundered about the countryside. It ended up so battered it had to be reorganized.
The British reaction to the Battle of the Bulge was also quite mixed, while units held reasonably well the counteroffensives often lacked punch.
I think what you can really say about the British troops in Europe is that they were largely suffering from fatigue. Unlike the US, who had a much larger population to draw from sheltered from the war and the death, the British were war weary as a people. There were few green Brits to call up, and when you've been at war 4 years straight few men of any nationality will pursue more combat with vigor. You'd really expect the veterans of North Africa to have excellent performance, but then, some of those men had literally been fighting since 1940 in France with the BEF.
Is it any wonder they weren't in much hurry to die as their friends had throughout the years?

>the USSR in all of its enormity and capability only had to face Germany on one front, on home turf, with almost limitless land to stretch shitty German logistics and supply lines, while they were running out of oil fighting on 4 fronts themselves
>supplied by the rest of the allied world
>managed to push them back after a 4 year pyrrhic ordeal that saw them lose twice as many men and entire cities of people

The fact that they "won", given the constraints, isn't all that impressive, even if their resolve was, I don't think it would be very easy to invade and conquer the United States either in a similar scenario so it's pretty unfair to give some kind of grandstanding tactical credit to the USSR for basically holding out until Germany ran out of gas

>>2260291
You spelled "Nazi scientists" wrong.

>>2263700

>Operation Desert Storm saw the US slaughter the world's fourth-largest army, complete with 6,000 tanks, in just four days.

North Korea has one of the world's largets militaries. I'd wager France or UK would curbstomp it given a chance. Quantity =/= quality especially when most of the country's population is against the regime
>>2263707

I dont think I communicated properly. With the enormity of the resources at its disposal, a curbstomp of a pathetic military like Iraq is nthing to write home about.

I get a massive boner thinking about the logistics part of the operation dont get me wrong, but not the bombing part itself or its aftermath

That being said, war in itself entails - infact acc to me the most important part of war is first fleshing out what you want to achieve in the end with your force and developing a coherent plan to do that and executing that. The US failed massively in doing that. It applied the force perfectly well in quest of something that it itself didnt know. To me that's a failure.

>>2263832

That is an error in political vision, not in military execution

The United States sent a task force to the other side of the planet and executed a perfect offensive operation against a fairly formidable force, that's a 10/10

>>2263832
>North Korea has one of the world's largets militaries. I'd wager France or UK would curbstomp it given a chance

You would lose that wager.

>>2262467
You know who started shit in WW2 and you know what USA did to them.

>anything impressive militarily

That's not how the US operates. They keep their enemies down so it never gets point of war. When there is an outright enemy superpower like the Soviet Union, they plunder their economy with economic warfare poison their people with heroin and cocaine. Fight smarter not harder.

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>>2260291
This is really humorous.

You wouldn't be impressed by any "military accomplishment" unless it's by an underdog, which the US never is

>>2263894

That's not impressive dude, better to go lose 20 million men in senseless total war with an equal opponent

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>>2263911
>it is a moah honorabu datta way desu

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>>2260280

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>>2260262
I'd have said it produces a lot of shit but not even that is true anymore. Now it just consumes a lot of shit.
>>2260280
Pic related.

>>2263426
>different method of producing weaponized uranium
Well of course. There's a true German way to produce it and there is the (((american))) way which is just jewish (((science))).

>>2262392

This.

People seem to forget that in the last 150 years the US has fought most of its wars away from its home turf, often against enemies that were on or near its own. If you don't understand the difference that makes, it's time for you to take a break from telling and go back to learning.

>>2264174
The U.S. hasn't fought any wars in the last 150 years on its own turf. The closest you could claim were a few battles in U.S. controlled territories during WWII.

>>2262663
What if the Soviets had never revived American lend lease?

>>2264186
Well not entirely true there was the Japanese landing in that Alaskan island that no one talks about because it was an embarrassing shit show for all involved partys

>>2264251
Alaska was not a state until well after the war was over.

America lost the War of 1812 against Canada

Canada literally burned down the white house

>>2264186

I should have been clearer with my phrasing of "away from home turf," which I meant as enemies that aren't geographically adjacent to your own territory.

That said, you've forgotten the Mexicans and Native Americans, and my point still stands.

>>2264274

Oh look, it's this meme again.

>>2264274
It was British forces that sailed and landed at Washington DC. I don't get why people always claim that it was Canadians that burned down the White House.

>>2264285
>you've forgotten the Mexicans and Native Americans, and my point still stands
1848 does not fall within the last 150 years.

>Native Americans
They were not a foreign enemy, at least not within the last 150 years.

>>2264295
Because Canadians have no actual history so they need to grasp at things so they create one in order to have whatever little of a national entity they can pull together (and we can see just how spectacularly it has failed.

>>2264295
Also, the Americans burnt down the then-capital of British North America, repelled the three British invasions of their territory, and were still occupying British Empire land at the time peace was announced.

>>2260262
Inspired virtually every peoples revolution for 250 years.

Wrote the oldest currently in use constitution on the planet which became the framework for every democratic constitution since.

Cultivate an economic machine that financially crippled a tyrannical regime hellbent on exploitation of the proletariat on a worldwide scale.

Create the technology that has made it possible for us to have this discussion and share ideas from the comfort and safety of our homes.

Put a man on the moon.

Though lets be fair, it was the Germans that did that.

>>2262704
Then you should have got your own sandbox to play in.

>>2263911
Yes brother, that is the fair and honorable way

>>2262502
Lel, China has lost every single war it's been involved in where it wasn't fighting itself.

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today i will remind them

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>>2260262
>Functioning Republic based on English values
>Successfully colonized the land between the Mississippi and the Pacific
>Turned the Great American Desert into an agricultural hub
>Split the atom & nuked Japan
>Sent men to the Moon
>One of the most dominant and easily recognizable cultures on the Earth

I guess now that Trump is President Anti-Americanism is "cool" again; pathetic

>>2263868
>You know who started shit in WW2
The Nazi's?

>and you know what USA did to them.
gave them jobs in the west German government?

>>2263841
>That is an error in political vision, not in military execution

Absolutely not. In the big picture politics is a part of war. You cant separate one from other. And the objectves are set in consultation with the forces. Either the top brass were incompetent in saying to the political top brass tey can achive something they couldnt, or they failed at achieving something they actually could.

Either way it was a failure. I dont get why you are getting defensive at me saying US forces consistently wont the battles to lose the war. That is what I meant by saying it is absolutely wrong to say US has achieved more in war than any other nation,

Maybe say it has achieved more in individual battles than any other nation and it will have more truth to it,

>>2263849

O-ok.

>>2260262
It has brought forth the longest stretch of peace to the world in human history.

>>2267655
>US culture
What is such a thing?

>>2268155
Pretty sure that was Pax Romana

>>2268170
the cultural air you breathe, assuming you are western.

>>2268180
Give me one example of American culture that wasn't copied from Europe.

>>2268186
rock and roll

>>2268210
You stole that from blacks.

>>2268251
blacks were american
rock and roll also took influences from white country music

>>2268258
>blacks were american
Yes, because kidnapping and enslaving someone makes them American.

>rock and roll also took influences from white country music
Which you took from Europe.

>>2268271
oh i'm sorry, people who by that time were three generations removed from africa are obviously africans, my bad.

>>2268271
>because kidnapping and enslaving someone makes them American

I don't see them itching to head back to Africa.

I don't see them speaking Swahili or Yoruba.

>>2268277
It just adds to the injustice.

>>2268281
Because institutional racism perpetuated by whites has blocked them from all hope of advancement or escape, and their home continent was ruined also by whites.

>>2268298
Doesn't make them not Americans.

I mean, Anglo people niggered the Irish out of both Ireland and most of the good parts of being American.

Doesn't mean Irish-Americans aren't American.

Also, because industrial societies > agricultural societies >>>>>> tribal societies

>>2262704
well than what the fuck Britain?

>>2268343
Ireland, Scotland, Wales.

>>2268351
And America had to deal with Canada, Mexico and Cuba.

>>2268391
>any of those nations
>relevant

>>2268396
>Ireland, Scotland Wales
>relevant

I mean, the Welsh are a source of coal, and the Irish are a source of comic relief, but other than that.

>>2268405
>irish comic
>comic relief
>kek
But seriously Mexican American War and Cuban Missle Crisis

>>2268186
>copied from Europe
Anon, American culture is European...

>>2268492
American culture is an amalgamation of European, African, and Mexican culture.

>>2268171
Rome would literally qualify as a failed sttae by modern standards.

Pax romana was impressive, but it isn't shit compared to Pax Americana.

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>>2268517
>American culture is an amalgamation of European, African, and Mexican culture.
Your understanding of American culture is superficial at best. Anglo-American culture is by far the dominant force in the United States. Fuck off, Euroshill

>>2268517
Mexicans stole their culture from the natives

>>2269141
>stole

anon, most have native blood

>>2268186
Westerns, cowboy culture

>>2269301
And to add to that, the independence-minded/frontier culture, along with gun culture

>>2269301
>>2269303
All trash.

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>>2262467
Get brain plz

>First war shows up after war already over when there were millions of dead on both sides and declares themselves sole victor.

How were they not the sole victor of that war? They sold the reconstruction beck to Europe for massive money and we're on the winning side of the war with little cost.

>Second war, shows up late and ignores the tens of millions of Soviets dead and claims victory all by themselves again.

The Eastern front would have been a complete disaster for Stalin without U.S. lend-lease, especially for railways. 50% of all soviet supplies and men traveled over American rails. America supplied England during the siege of Britain and tipped the balance of the war. If you honestly think the U.S. wasn't the most or at least incredibly important for an ally victory then you arever either a self-loathing American, a butthurt Yuropeon, or a retard.

>>2260262
>200 replies
Why are /int/ bait threads allowed?

>>2269391
as the saying goes, it was American steel, British intelligence, and Russian blood

>>2269327
Stop moving the goalpost

>>2269396
>british
>intelligence
Yeah, getting BTFO from France and coup-ing Yugoslavia sure won the war.