is there any truth to the theory that aryans/proto indo Europeans

Define 'advanced civilization'.

>>2242774
No and I've never heard about such a theory

>>2242776
i guess civilization in general. Like i beleive the nazis thought that aryans ignited a cultural boom which helped develop the hellenistic culture and thought

>>2242788
> 88

I have no idea what you just said.

Aryans and Proto-Indo-Europeans were not the same peoples. Aryans were the PIE peoples of the Near East, Persian, Afghanistan, India, etc.

What theory?

The PIE were still fucking horses on the steppes while Egypt, Sumer, and the IVC were thriving

>>2242799
im talking about aryans in the nazi sense. Before it became a politicized term.

>>2242802
Why were PIE significant? Did they lead to a rise in civilization?

>>2242774
No. The first civilizations were built by the Sumerians and Egyptians around 3500-3000 BC, when Indo-Europeans were just beginning to migrate and hadn't come close to those areas yet.

>>2242788
If the 'Aryans' had given rise to the cultural boom of Ancient Greece, you'd imagine that would have happened when the Indo-Europeans first invaded and gave rise to the Mycenaeans. Instead that cultural boom only happened after the Mycenaeans had collapsed and the Greeks had been heavily exposed to Semitic and Egyptian influences.

>>2242811
im talking about aryans in the nazi sense. Before it became a politicized term.
> before

What? The Aryans (from India and Afghanistan) have been calling themselves 'aryaya' (noble) for millennia before Hitler stole the word.

The idea that Aryans are Nordic/Germanic Europeans is nonsense, made up by the Nazis.

>>2242788
The Aryans were a sub-group of the PIE just like the Celts, Germanics, Balto-Slavs, Italics, and Hellenic peoples

>>2242821
holy shit im talking about the damn PIE peoples that came and mixed with old europe. The ones that became nordic. I know what other fucking people called themselves.

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>>2242811
>im talking about aryans in the nazi sense. Before it became a politicized term.
Aryans in the Nazi sense is the politicized term. The Nazis had no idea what Aryan actually meant; if refers exclusively to Indo-Iranians and no other Indo-Europeans.

>Why were PIE significant? Did they lead to a rise in civilization?
No. They were significant for domesticating the horse and spreading it, along with wheels and chariots, around Eurasia. They were also significant because their migrations changed the linguistic and ethnic makeup of Europe, Central Asia, Iran and India, and brought with them aspects of their culture such as their mythology.

>>2242811
The Nazis were retarded

If you're talking about Germanic peoples they had a negligible impact on world history until the decline of Rome

>>2242838
The stop calling them Aryans. If you know that what you're saying is wrong, stop saying it. Don't yell at people who call you out for it.

>>2242841
>If you're talking about Germanic peoples they had a negligible impact on world history until the decline of Rome
This. Nordcucks should be kissing our ass for giving them Christianity and Greco-Roman culture.

>>2242838
The Scandinavian tribes were a part of the Germanic peoples

They were irrelevant until the Viking age

>>2242838
The peoples who 'became Nordic' were not Aryans; they were the Proto-Germanic peoples.

>>2242849
the reason i say aryans is because its signifigant to the question, namley stormcucks think they are gods

>>2242864
You have to remember that in the 1930s and 40s, the research/archeology on the PIE migrations was severely lacking; the term 'Aryan' was misinterpreted by Houston Chamberlain, Hitler, and others into something meaning 'Germanic' or 'Nordic'.

Any semi-literate national socialist now should recognise that the whole idea of 'Aryans' was flawed.

>>2242864
That's like asking about Polish history but calling them Franks because everyone east of Greece called Europeans "Frankish"

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>>2242774
Russian Aryan Liberators

>>2242774
Childhood is idolizing Indo-European

Adulthood is when you realize Afro-Asiatic makes more sense

>>2242884

"Aryan" was supposed to be an ancient pan-European demonym because Sanskrit was assumed to be a very ancient and thus linguistically conservative language. They were half right, Sanskrit IS ancient but it is not especially conservative and in fact is quite divergent from PIE.

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>>2242821
>The idea that Aryans are Nordic/Germanic Europeans is nonsense, made up by the Nazis.

>>2242813
>Sumerians and Egyptians
That's like saying the Roman Empire and America in the same sentence. GTFO of here with that faggotry

>>2243114
Your point?

The Aryans are not synonymous with Proto-Indo-Europeans

They're a daughter culture

>>2243130
The Nazis didn't know of R1A, they called it Aryan, as a macro title.

>>2243144
Because they were retarded

>>2242828
Aryans has been for a while synonymous with Indo-European, and frankly, i like it. it's simple and easy to say.

>>2243478
>has been
sorry, i meant "was"

>>2242774
no
they invaded many civilizations and spread their culture
similar to turks

>>2243608
>invaded
Dravidian India is about the civilization I imagined IEs invaded. Elsewhere the civilization they built they created.

>>2242774
No. Advanced city building civilization has 3 (or 4, depending who you ask) sources in Eurasia:

- Mesopotamia and the fertile Crescent (including Egypt although they could be a separate source)
- Indus valley
- Yellow river valley

Plus I guess there is Catal Hüyük but we don't really know if they had any impact, might have just been an anomaly, a failed early attempt at city dwelling civilization.

Anyways, Proto-Indo Europeans were still nomadic long after these civilizations started.

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>>2242774
Here is the real map

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>>2244189
Arrah we wuz takavors and shit

>>2243114

>tfw R1b :(

>>2243796
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucuteni-Trypillian_culture

>Talianki (with a population of 15,000 and covering an area of 335[39] hectares)
Sure famalisimus.

>>2243684
Aryan """"Invasion"""" theory has been debunked looong back.


More like there were some migrations of nomadic PIE people into urban civilizations already existing in India, two groups being mutually influenced buy each others and intermixing to get the modern genetic stock of India

Trypillian civilization dating to 6000 B.C.
Oxus civilization circa 2500 BC
Hittite civilization circa 1800 BC

http://discovermagazine.com/2006/nov/ancient-towns-excavated-turkmenistan
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/4000-year-old-Aryan-city-discovered-in-Russia/articleshow/6683681.cms

>>2244476

R1b is linked with PIE better than R1a is.

>>2244511

Cucuteni-Trypillia hasn't got anything to do with Indo-Europeans, or about as much as Aztecs have to do with the Spanish.

What happened to Mesopotamia?

All I know bout them is that they created the first legal codes.

Did they evolve into Persia and the Parthians?

>>2245531
>Cucuteni-Trypillia
b-but they do anon

Trypillian were good friends with PIE and intermingled early on. Trypillian then merged with PIE ...

>>2245515
Trypilliam were neolithic farmers so Not indieuropeans

>>2245627
>>2245622
>>2245515

In his book The Making of Bronze Age Eurasia, Philip L. Kohl claims that the Yamna-era steppe culture originated in the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture, and more specifically when the huge towns of the Late Trypillian culture (3500-3000 BCE) in Central Ukraine were abandoned and their inhabitants to[spoiler][/spoiler]ok up a semi-nomadic lifestyle, herding cattle and moving in wheeled wagons.

>>2245622

>good friends
>and intermingled early on

First one is a joke at best, second one is dubious.
IE people descend from a mix of PIE(Russian hunter gatherer) and Caucasus people. This mixing happened east of Kiev in all likelyhood. Neolithic farmers played a lesser and later role in the admixture.