how did Spain become so ahead of everyone else in there colonial

> how did Spain become so ahead of everyone else in there colonial game.
The Pope gave them half the world

> what caused it to fall apart?
Napoleon invasion and eternal anglo scheming

>>2202352
>what caused it to fall apart?

France ended their european dominance at Rocroi in 1643
After that they were a minor player in Europe and then Napoleon's invasion finished them off
Seeing their master conquered by its neighbour made Spanish colonies cease to respect Spain and revolt

>>2202376
>the pope gave them half the world

what exactly do you mean by that?

>>2202394

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tordesillas

>>2202394
Tordesillas treaty

>>2202352
They were jobbers who got a head start.

>>2202352
>how did Spain become so ahead of everyone else in there colonial game.

they were there first

also No one had any real clue as to just how large the Americas were, so the Pope declared that some arbitrary line would be an proportional share of the New World between Portugual and Spain. Well the Pope was dead wrong and Spain got the lions share.

>what caused it to fall apart?

Spain couldn't focus on the colonies anymore during the Peninsular War and the Greater Napoleonic Wars going on at home, so the colonies made a break for it while Spain was down.

tl;dr: Simon Bolivar happened

>>2202423
Also Spain's continuous meddling in Europe along with inflation from so much silver and gold from America bankrupted the country IIRC

>>2202423
>Simon Bolívar
shitty commander who relied a lot on the eternal anglo

Man I wish the Spanish Empire had stuck around, shit was aesthetic

>>2202423
also Spainish colonies weren't settled like British ones

>>2202376
>The Pope gave them half the world
Stupid idiot was able to give them Galaxy - it hasnt any common with real process of settling and wars.

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>>2202352
Better this.

>>2202436
shitty commanders don´t win continental scale wars

>>2202584
this commander made others win the war for them. hiring british officers and delegating to others like Paez, Córdova, Sucre, Soublette and Anzoategui was the key to his "brilliant" command

>>2202388
This.
Also, Spanish colonies were observed by France and Britain before 1789, but both sides didnt want to spent efforts against Spanish administration and give chance to opponent.
French revolution made France weak, Napoleonic wars removed it as American player. British bands started revolutions against Spain (Bolivar, etc). The only exceptions were near USA (with same reason as earlier about France - dont give chance to USA to seize) - Phillipines, Cuba. Mexica had land border with USA and its situation was complicated.

>>2202352
>what caused it to fall apart?

The massive amounts of silver and gold imported first led to complacency and then rapid inflation.

>>2202642

>knowing how to pick able subordinates is not one of the most important things for a supreme commander

put down the crack pipe

>>2202352
I just finished watching this video. Wow, why were Europeans such cruel and twisted people?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVWmyrdT1l0&

>>2202376
>Napoleon invasion and eternal anglo scheming
They destroyed their own economy centuries before that, holding on to their colonies as long as they did was just hysteresis.

>>2202352
>what caused it to fall apart?
Economic and demographic changes weakening Spain at home topped off by the Napoleonic Wars encouraging its collapse.

Spain had major looming demographic issues stemming from the Reconquista. The expulsion of the Moors and Jews took a heavy toll on the Spanish economy by eliminating portions of the population that would have contributed to the country developing more along the lines of the rest of Europe, and the massive amounts of gold and silver coming from the American colonies obscuered the issue until it was too late to catch up. Instead of recognizing the looming economic disaster and adapting, Spain bolstered traditional institutions and practices.

This worked for a while, as they could just throw gold at the problem for some time and be fine, but, as happened with Sweden, favorable circumstances can't protect a power from demographic issues. Inflation caused by the influx of gold set in, and the Spanish monarchy began selling off titles to make ends meet. This only worsened things - tax revenue from an already stagnating population dropped as titles were sold off, while other powers in Europe were starting to surpass them.

By the end of the 16th century, the Spanish were already on borrowed time. Their dominance at sea collapsed in 1588 when the Armada failed to take England, and through the first half of the next century their dominance on land was propped up by loans, mercenaries, and the cooperation of the Austrian Habsburgs before finally being shattered at Rocroi in 1643.

From then on, Spain was in continual decline. All Napoleon did was give the Spanish empire the kick it needed to collapse.

>>2202352
I'm surprised nobody here has mentioned the monarchy. Carlos I was the only good Habsburg, and he often came into conflict with the Cortes and was unpopular in Spain. Bourbons were ok, but only because they allowed various ministers to reform the government. Fernando VII fucked it up by not accepting the Constitution.

>>2202497
>Spainish colonies weren't settled like British ones
What do you even mean? Mexico alone had 3 million Spaniards and criollos

>>2203812
I think he meant "in the same method as" rather than "to the same extent as."
British colonies were mercantalist resource mines and not allowed to make their own products beyond a certain quantity. Spanish colonies were intended to be brought into the Spanish fold as much as Granada or Vasconia.

>>2202927
>They destroyed their own economy centuries before that
WRONG.Charles the II stabilized the economy and Phillip the V,Ferdinand the VI and Charles the III made Spain a relatively advanced country that alredy had central banking and liberalized trade.

>>2203116
>Their dominance at sea collapsed in 1588 when the Armada failed
WRONG.Spain stomped England in the first and second Anglo-Spanish war.The second one happened a couple of years after the ffailed invasion of England.It wasn't until the battle of Dumas until the Spanish navy stopped being the strongest
>From then on, Spain was in continual decline. All Napoleon did was give the Spanish empire the kick it needed to collapse.
WRONG.XVIII century Spain was rising pretty quickly and was able to beat Austria and Britain in multiple occassions and the country was modernized a lot thanks to the Bourbon kings.

>>2203635
>Carlos I was the only good Habsburg
He was amongst the worst Habsburgs m8.
Phillip the II> Charles the II>Phillip the III> Charles the I>Phillip the IV

The war for austrian succession drained their treasuries and resources

>>2202352
>how did Spain become so ahead of everyone else in there colonial game
The conquest of two alredy settled empires allowed Spain to expand way faster than if they had to colonized all the land
> what caused it to fall apart?
Napoleon.When Ferdinand the VII was dethrowned the colonies revolted as the new king wasn't their king.Spain could have kept the colonies if Ferdinand the VII kept the 1812 constitution, which most "Americanos" in the cortes agreed with or with the creation of a common wealth which was offered by Mexico to Ferdinand the VII which he declined

>>2203826
>The war for austrian succession
The one that Spain won in every front? Not really.Spain's economy was strong enough to ask huge loans for the American independence war and the monarchy reapyed them extremelly fast.And this conflict happened much later

>>2203822
>Charles II
?

>>2203899
He didn't rule but after her mother lost the control of the court his reign was pretty decent given the situation that he inherited. He introduced american crops into Spain which stopped the economic declined,stopped the inflation and reduced the debt which improved the economy and overall Spain grew under his reign

>>2203899
> El monarca vivió bastante para su época y, junto a sus hombres, logró mantener intacto el imperio frente al poderío francés de Luis XIV, consiguió una de las mayores deflaciones de la historia, el aumento del poder adquisitivo en sus reinos, la recuperación de las arcas públicas, el fin del hambre y la paz.
Translation:
> The monarch lived for quite a long time and, together with his men, managed to keep intact the empire against the French power of Louis XIV, achieved one of the greatest deflations in history, increasing purchasing power in their kingdoms, increased the revenue and the end of hunger and the beginning of peace
Ribot

Probably because they conquered both of the supercontinents's largest powers (Aztec and Incan empires).

An empire of that size is also pretty hard to manage. If I recall correctly, Charles V was against what was going on with the Aztecs and told the conquistadors to stop killing and enslaving everyone and stop expanding even more but was ignored because there was just nothing he could do to stop it.

>>2202423
>they were first
wrong they were seccond

>>2204161
t.Alberto Barbosa
Portugal just had trading posts until they got Brazil.Spain objectively started imperialism and colonization

>>2204187
By that logic, phoenicians and greeks never had any colonies. Or the Dutch never practiced colonialism at all.
Sure, spain shought territory and Portugal sought commercial hegemony, those are just teo different ways for colonialism, especially considering Portugal actually started the slave trade while the spanish occupied lots of land with no real institutions or tribal associations, just land really.

Not accepting the 1812 constitution

>>2202642
You're a fucking idiot, delegation is key to being in charge

>>2202352
By being based Spanish Catholics.

>>2205915
This. Colonization takes many different forms.

>>2203822
I meant in terms of increasing the size of the Empire. Felipe II was a little shit who couldn't even take down England, even with an Invincible Armada.

>>2207579
>Felipe II was a little shit who couldn't even take down England
He won the first Anglo-Saxon war, annexed Portugal and its empire. Do they really teach you this crap in England?

>>2205915
>phoenicians and greeks never had any colonies
Phoenicians and greeks had settlemensts.Poruguese """colonies"""" where just a group of Barbosas building a fort in a nigger shithole to give supplies to their ships.
>the spanish occupied lots of land with no real institutions
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>2207847
>Anglo-Spanish war
Fixed

>>2207858
Well, those ''''colonies'''' (de facto places founded by the portuguese) are now usually big cities with old historical neighbourhood, if not the capitals of their countries (such as Lagos). Sounds like you're biased af for some reason.
In any case, the portuguese weren't interested in africa (just for slaves mainly) but in asia, which they actually reached, named, traded, preached and effectivelly formed a colonial empire, that is until the dutch came along.

>>2202352
> how did Spain become so ahead of everyone else in there colonial game.
first
good ships
the pope

>what caused it to fall apart?
napoleon
and inflection