ITT: Historical figures who are portrayed as evil but in reality

>>2199280
Akhenaten was an idiot

>>2199280

He had Tut as a son, that's pretty wrong.

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Deep in your heart you know it's true.

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>>2199280
Wait a minute...

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Perfidious propaganda.

>>2199280
Egyptian civilization revolved entirely around their pantheon, no wonder they hated that guy.

>inb4 Hitler

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>>2199280

>>2199367
Literally the only correct answer so far.

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This sweet old man.

>>2199464
D'aww

>>2199280
>only I may worship god, but it takes a lot out of me to do that so I need you all to help by worshiping me
monotheism egyptian style

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>>2199280

>>2199280
inb4 hitlerfags

>>2199288
>>>/pol/
>>2199400
jel' to sloba milosevic

>>2199464
please come back

>>2199367
If only he and Alexander had been content with one less eastern campaign...

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>>2199498
Agreed.

>pic
Modern people treat him like a piece of shit because he owned slaves and slept with some of them. As if that wasn't a) common, or b) somehow invalidates him as one of the greatest statesmen and polymaths of the 18th century.

>>2200290
This

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I love Gladiator but fuck Ridley Scott for giving Commodus such an undeserved reputation. He couldn't have invented an emperor?

>>2199288
Crazy

>>2201630
>Undeserved reputation

Commodus being fucking awful is literally the cause of the crisis of the third century. Commodus had a shit reputation long before Gladiator was a thing.

Shit at least the movie made him a decent villain rather than the pathetic LARPer he actually was.

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>>2199461

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>>2201499
Alexander Hamilton was everything Thomas Jefferson wished he could be, which is why by the time he became president he abandoned his principles and ruled like an able, powerful president.
Hamilton...
>never once lived by the sweat of another man's brow
>pulled himself up by his own bootstraps
>maybe not as visionary as a polymath like Jefferson, but one of the most competent men of his day
>all of his predictions actually panned out

Conservatives and lolbertarians hate him because he's got a swanky Broadway number in his honor and people generally hold him up as a shining example of government that actually works.

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>>2201630
>Son of one of the most principled and wise men of the ancient world, still fucked up beyond all belief
>Bankrupted the Roman Economy through role playing as Hercules and throwing big fucking games
>Caused a crisis of national security
>Not bad

Aurelius should have smothered him in his sleep

>>2201630
>a
>fucking
>larping
>faggot

he well deserves his horrible reputation
how could his wise father fuck up raising him so badly is beyond me

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>>2199280

>>2199288
this fucking meme gets me everytime

>>2199464
we miss you uncle Adolf ;_;

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>>2201630
As much as I adore that movie, it always irked me that it reduces the complexities of Roman politics down to Republic = good, Empire = evil which isn't even close to historically accurate as the Principate maintained a democratic facade and most people thought of the Emperor as a protector of the Republic, not as someone undermining it. It's just a tired Hollywood meme and a relic of the Bush years.

>>2201688
No, the movie flanderized him into this maniacal sister-banging psychopath.

Frankly, what would have been more horrible/awesome to me would have been if the movie showed him acting like the historical Commodus, dressing up like Hercules, utterly fucking embarrassing senators with his tawdry arena displays, shooting animals by the dozens, forcing gladiators to take a fall while he murders them. Heck there was one instance where Commodus ordered the praetorian guard to round up all the cripples in the city, and he has them all tied together on the floor of the arena in the shape of a person, and then Commodus went around one by one clubbing them to death, and then announced that he had killed a giant. The Empire had just been devastated by a plague and while the state was teetering on the brink of collapse Commodus was blowing it's rainy day fund on lavish, extravagant parties for himself.

That would have made him a far more sinister and interesting villain imo than just some power tripping emofag perving on his sister because that's what all emperors do and that's why empire is bad...

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Happy birthday to the greatest American President of the last 150 years.

Mah Nigga Cao Cao

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>>2202404
He really did nothing wrong. Even in the Three Kingdoms novel, I never saw him as a villain even though I was supposed to. He was extremely prideful, but at the same time he was always holding back the extreme personages of the empire.

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>>2199280
>did nothing wrong
dude was an inbred nightmare and he still had the audacity to try and set himself up as the only true god incarnate, pissing off half of Egypt in the process. He built a fucking ghost town of a royal city in the middle of nowhere, with what may have been one of the shittiest places of worship in all of Egypt in an aesthetic sense (literally an open courtyard with a tiny as fuck podium for Pharoah to stand on and a couple pillars, cheap bastard). His religion was so bad that it literally collapsed overnight as soon as he died and not just his name but his entire family was struck from the records wherever the priests could find them. Christ's sake, his hormones were so fucked up that you could barely tell the effeminate fuck apart from his wife.
Kindly erase all instances of your name and kys, OP

>>2199288

The eternal Frank strikes again.

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>>2202398
ABRRRRRROOOOOOO

>>2202557
How did his reputation get so tarnished by this cartoon?

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JOHN.FUCKING.RATCLIFFE
>Just wanted to peacefully trade with the natives
>They murder him

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The South was too stubborn to listen to reason and see that industrialization was inevitable.

So instead they listened to the cries of their widows and children.

>>2201499
the problem is that he knew slavery was wrong yet still participated in it because he couldn't imagine things any other way

>>2201630
the decline of the roman empire starts with him

>>2201630
>>2201688
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>>2204065
>trusting the ancient sources blindly

He was a mediocre emperor scapegoated by writers looking back at the crisises they faced during the 3rd century and associating correlation with causation.

In reality, taking away Commodus doesn't prevent the Crisis. It doesn't prevent the Antonine Plague, or inherent instabilities within the Roman state.

>>2202484
he didn't actually look like that, it's an intentional stylistic depiction to make him look androgynous, reflecting the Aten's nature as both mother and father of the world. There are other depictions of him where he is presented in a much more conventional manner, like this one.

Hatshepsut built a ton of statues of herself as a man, it wasn't because she was actually masculine it was to fit in with her propaganda.

>>2204071
>come into power with a large treasury
>die (by being stabbed in the back while taking a piss so you drown in your own urine no less) with a mountain of debt
unforgivable

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>>2204082
whoops, forgot my pic

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>>2199280

>>2201908
No, I hate him because he wanted America to become a carbon copy of the empire we rebelled against.

>>2204055
>burn atlanta down because muh union
ya fuck off

>>2204208
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrYlR6RwRCw

>>2204250
McCarthy was right. You can disagree with the methods he used, but to claim that there weren't Russian agents in the State Department is unequivocally false.

>>2203986
Because newags didn't know his reputation was shit long before fucking Futurama.

>>2204071
For a while it was vogue to doubt everything that the Romans wrote down as propaganda until they started finding the actual sacrificial pits where Carthaginians slaughtered babies, and people realized that maybe the Romans were a little more competent than we were giving them credit for.
Commodus's unforgivable crime was that when he went into power was when Rome needed a strong leader more than ever and he was not a strong leader. First rule of leadership is that everything that happens is your fault
>>2204085
That was Caracalla who was stabbed in the back while taking a piss.

Commodus was drown in his bathtub by his wrestling coach

>>2203986
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal
The cartoon had nothing to do with it

>>2204172
I mean it worked.

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>given shit republic
>tried his best to save it
>killed by a bunch of tryhard traitors

>>2204159
He's shifty

>>2202482
What' the name of the movie?, i would love to see good adpation of Cao Cao

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>>2205743
Also as an aside, how fantastic is that bust? He looks regal as shit.

>>2204250
Honestly though. Give it fifty years and his reputation will be restored.

>>2199502
I'd say western media doesn't portray him as evil but misguided

honestly he's not a black and white figure but he's probably given a generous amount of praise considering that whilst yes he did pull Russia out of Feudalism and improved the quality of life he was still quite authoritarian and he did some reprehensible things

>>2204531
>That was Caracalla who was stabbed in the back while taking a piss.
oh shit you're right, my bad

>>2199280
Hitler

>>2205962
he did many things wrong, even if we ignore all the mass murder he intentionally started a war that his nation couldn't win, then when his leadership had led Germany to absolute disaster he blamed his subjects for not being strong enough to realize his obviously brilliant plans then shot himself.

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If he was evil then George Washington was evil

>>2205965
He did nothing wrong. Sacrificed himself for the sins and future of western europe. He truly carried the cross

>>2205746
Babyface

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>>2205971
>Sacrificed himself for the sins and future of western europe.
...By causing the deaths of millions of Europeans and the destruction of hundreds if not thousands of villages, towns, and cities.

>>2205984
He was misunderstood but where would we be now

>>2205984
Remember dresden. Those bastard allies and japs.

>>2199650
A ko drugi

>>2204531
I disagree, if Commodus had ascended when Lucius and Marcus did in reality then that would have been when Rome needed a strong ruler. As it was Commodus inducing a schizophrenic government wasn't nearly as catastrophic as it could have been since Marcus had in the past decades beaten the agitating tribes into submission and secured a peace with Sassanid Persia that lasted throughout his reign.

>>2205998
Commodus did bring an unprecedented time of games to rome though. Only to be killed by marcus' greatest general under the guise of a gladiator

>>2205949
Why are you listing Authoritarianism as a negative? Human beings need Authority for group cohesion.

>>2206003
authoritarianism =/= government

ultimately the elevated status that the totalitarian ideals gave the government just ended up creating another ruling class

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>Why are you listing Authoritarianism as a negative? Human beings need Authority for group cohesion.

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>>2205992
>Not posting the statue
Pleb

Actually did my Master's research on him, facinating figure.

>>2206020
has the fedora meme come full circle now? It used to be about people bragging about their unique personal qualities.

I don't mean totalitarianism, just Authoritative leadership. If we are to look at the bolshevik revolution objectively, an Authoritative leader is paramount to the success of the movement.

>>2206037
>>2206037
Assassins creed real

>>2206039
Wt did the bolshevik revolution lead to

>>2205648
The 2010 Three Kingdoms series.

>>2206002
Narcissus wasn't a general and was really a gladiator but you're probably memeing Russell Crow.

>>2206047
The Soviet Union.

>>2204477
>>2204548
He had actually worked tirelessly since Watergate to redeem his reputation. By the time the 90s rolled around, while he was in know way fondly remembered his disapproval rating was nearly as bad as you might think. fast-forward after his death and suddenly he's Saddam Hussein on steroids. I think futurama had a lot to do with it.

>>2206174
>He had actually worked tirelessly since Watergate to redeem his reputation

So did Herbert Hoover after the Depression, but it didn't help much.

Once you fuck up hard, that is what people will remember you for above almost all of your other accomplishments.

>>2206039
I've always thought of the fedora as being for someone who thinks they are superior for no reason, or someone who values ideology more then facts

>>2206047
if you mean that in a "what did they ever do for us" kind of way, which I hope because I don't want to share a board with people who haven't heard of the russian revolution, the bolshevik revolution improved literacy and reduced starving, in Russia at least, and while pretty shit in a lot of ways you'd have to be wilfully ignorant to claim it was bad for the average person.

if you mean that honestly then what the fuck are you doing here

>>2206349
>implying the Great Depression was hoover's fault

>>2204261
His methods were antithetical to political freedom.

The whole point of the United States is you are free to believe whatever you want. He didn't just go after "Russian agents in the State Department," he went after ordinary citizens and entertainers under the pretense that he and other elites knew what was "UnAmerican."

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>>2206381
>implying culpability matters when it comes to public perception

>>2199502
Only fascists and the descendents of aristocrats think he was evil.

>>2206458
You're forgetting Americans and Balticfags.

>>2206467
>balts
>giving a shit about lenin

It's Stalin they despise.

>>2201630
>Ave Imperator!
>Thank you citizens. Did you know that I am also hercules? Watch me slay this giraffe with my bare hands!
>disgusting.png

>>2205949
Lenin was more ruthless by necessity of his goal, arguably noble, than the straight up evil.

>>2206174
>Hillary actually worked tirelessly since 2016 to redeem her reputation. By the time the 30s rolled around, while she was in no way fondly remembered, her disapproval rating was not nearly as bad as you might think. Fast-foward after her death and suddenly she's Assad on steroids. I think Ren & Stimpy 2 Electric Boogaloo had a lot to do with it.

>>2206109
I thought it was maximus. Led aurelius armies against germany

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>>2199288

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>>2205992
>>2206037
>literally just gives sermons that say God wants everyone to follow his policies
>still fucks it up

He might not be evil, but he definitely made some pretty serious mistakes. Florence was saved by the Republic

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>>2204055
The South will never not be butthurt.

>>2207612
>What is 1494-1498
> What is Frenchmen deciding to retreat from Italy

>>2204055
Im gonna piss on the cock suckers grave

>>2199464
never before has a smear campaign been as big in history as this. fortunately more people are waking up to the lies and relatively speaking, the smear campaign hasn't been that long (less than a century)

>>2208780
proving once again that
>>2207622

>>2208799
>never before has a smear campaign been as big in history as this
You seem to be forgetting:
Genghis Khan
Attila the Hun

>>2208808
People usually don't like psychopaths.

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>>2208811
y-you mean, they did nothing wrong? I thought they were barbarians.

>>2205743
Mind explaining why?

>>2204086
Dat bulge on his wife

>>2208827
they were as brutal as everyone around them... so did they do something wrong? Nah not really...