Can you name a better politician / political leader than Bismarck?

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>>2194602

>>2194602
Napoleon

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>>2194602
Frederick the Great.

Alexander the great

>>2194602
Huey Long

Talleyrand by far. He was able to play off the other diplomats and retain France as a major player in European politics instead of a defeated vassal.

Metternich comes as a close second because he was able to retain a semblance of stability post-Waterloo.

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>>2194602

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>>2194602
>napoleon just sneaks in there
best political leader of all time tho
>>2195685
>spy and traitor
>>2195693
>octavian "not even 5' 7" caesar
lol

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Louis IX aka Saint Louis.

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>>2194602
Awww, that's a cute little Empire you got there.

You're neighbours is adorable too. I like that they named it after mine.

>>2194602
OP, did you try to create the same thread earlier without success?

>>2195718
Talleyrand was duplicitious as fuck but you can't deny how wily he was in 1814 and 1815. France was in danger of being dismembered ala Versailles-style. The Prussians even argued back then that all the Germanic north-eastern territories (Alsace-Lorraine) should be given to them.

>>2195719
Pssh, Louis XI was the greatest French monarch with the name Louis. The Universal Spider was something more French kings should've been.

>>2195753
Ha! Sick burn bro.

Lemme drop some truth bombs on you

Never regard something as doing you good if it makes you betray a trust or lose your sense of shame or makes you show hatred, suspicion, ill-will or hypocrisy or a desire for things best done behind closed doors.

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>>2195764
Forgot pic of Based Marcus Aurelias.

I wonder how many copies of his book have "sold" over the years? Anybody have a rough estimate?

>>2195718
What does height have to do with political skill?

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>>2195785
It limits the amount of respect you can get. It's why Napoleon was a laughingstock.

>>2195825

His height induced autism fueled his conquest.

>>2195825
Augustus was basically of average height for his time though

>>2195925
Meme response: Humans are aware what size it takes to command respect no matter what the average is.

Non-meme response Saying "average" height is deceptive when talking about history. The upper classes had better nutrition and were taller on average. It's small consolation being as tall as the average pleb when you're an emperor.

>>2195719
>not Philip the Fair

>>2195825
napoleon was not short, and was respected and feared by pretty much everyone

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>>2196069
good meme

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>Bismark
>ruins Europe

>>2194602
>creates diplomatic system only he can manage
>gets sacked then dies
>Germany gets utterly humiliated when his system breaks down
He was a bit short-sighted, wasn't he?

>>2195941
>Suetonius: His complexion was betwixt brown and fair; his stature but low; though Julius Marathus, his freedman, says he was five feet and nine inches in height. This, however, was so much concealed by the just proportion of his limbs, that it was only perceivable upon comparison with some taller person standing by him.

So according to this, he was around 5'7", and well proportioned to look even taller unless standing right next to somebody.

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>>2196157
t. butthurt Austrian

Axel Oxenstierna

This guy for sure.
>transformed Singapore from a shitty backwater trading port into a major Asian economic player
>didn't rely on populist grandstanding like Bismarck or Napoleon or Hitler or basically any European you'll see in this thread
>sanctified rule of law yet held democracy as sacred as well; won every single election he took part in
Lee Kuan Yew if you're interested. Easily one of the greatest politicians of all time.

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>>2197975
Fuck forgot image. Excuse my autism.