Why are leftists so good at war? At the turn of the 19th century,

>Catalonia don't real

Leftism is driven by resentment and once you give these "people" permission to kill they do it with extreme cruelty. That's why once they seize power their countries always turn into paranoid autocratic hellholes

>>2192500
Fighting a large amount of nations does not necessarily fight a large military.

They're so good at war they kill millions of their own people!

With France it was basically ideology fueling the troops, fighting men who were mainly mercenaries with no real reason to fight. Once the European forces ramped up their ideology, they won.

>>2192564
>Once the European forces ramped up their ideology
Except they never did

>they won.
More like the French army froze in Russia
It wasnt ideology that made Russian peasants butn their own farms and die of starvation so the Tsar could flatter his ego, it was force
This idea the Russian nobility had that their peasants were disposable worthless pawns is what caused the Soviet Revolution

It's not leftards, we're just too good at war.

>>2192564
But they didn't win. France is not a feudal monarchy.

Its easy when you have no humanity and kill indiscriminately.

>>2192500
>french revolution
>leftist
In today's world, they would be considered libertarians.

>>2192853
So? They literally defined the left/right dichotomy. These people are leftists.

>>2192861
>They literally defined the left/right dichotomy.
For that time

>These people are leftists.
Not in the modern sense.

>>2192900
They were fighting for equality. They're leftists.

Their platform is usually popular with more people, giving them numerical superiority, and they care less about morality or human rights, specially since they have a pass by intellectuals to kill everyone if it is in their interests, a pass that rightists don't have.

Intellectuals are naturally drawn to leftism, so they have better organization skills. Besides, they reject conservatism and traditional hierarchies, making them more open to tactical innovations and to promote officers based on merit instead of birth.

>>2192576
>they never did
German lands experienced a massive nationalist movement within those wars. The battle at Leipzig had German forces in the French army switching sides mid-battle because they no longer wanted to shoot at other Germans

>>2192500
so what your saying is why are Russians so good at war?

>>2193213
>because they no longer wanted to shoot at other Germans

Rather because the French side was violently outnumbered and stood no chance to win
German pragmatism

>>2193168
>They were fighting for equality. They're leftists.
Whatever, purple-hair. I'm too tired to argue with SJWs.

>>2192500
france had a lot of fucking people

>>2192500
mixed race mongrels are good at destroying stuff

>>2192520
>>2193317
Nice meme answer
At the time OP pic was taking place, France had 26 millions of people
Meanwhile, the HRE had 24 millions, Russia 21 millions, Prussia 11 millions, Spain 10.5 millions, Britain 10 millions and the Netherlands 6.5 millions
In 1vs1 against another country, France would have been advantaged by its big population but the coalition easily nullified that

>>2193319
This. They're good at destroying but not sustaining or creating.

>>2193168
Fuck this reasoning, you cant equate the french revolution to being leftist right now.

What kind off shitty projecting is this.

>>2192500
Staunch belief in the ideals they were fighting for VS peasants fighting for no real cause but their landlord told them to. Men (and God spare them if they must ever take up the sword) women with reason, loyalty, and passion for their cause will always fight harder than anyone else on the Earth.

>>2193351
france had a lot of people AND it was willing to use them

it's no secret that france had a massive fucking army thanks to the levee en masse and the coalitions were incapable of doing the same

so i guess you can say that leftists are good at wars because they're willing to sink to depths that normal people wouldn't

>>2193365
/leftypol/ trying to claim classical liberalism has anything but tangential ties to socialism or Marxism.

>>2193365
>>2193380
Not him, but they were all the most radical leftist movements of their time.

>>2192853
Why do libertarians always engage in obscene historical revisionism?

>>2193380
No one said anything about Marxism or socialism. Leftism predates these concepts.

>>2193400
Proudhon and Fourier were the most radical leftists of their time.

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>>2193441
Yes yes, subterfuge is so wonderful when you're doing it for your precious political feelsies.

Kys

>>2193444
Take out your tinfoil hat, retard, not everyone who disagrees with you is from cripplechan.

>>2193373
>because they're willing to sink to depths that normal people wouldn't

Except the reason why the coalition couldnt imitate the French levee en masse is because they were afraid to arm their people
Looks like oppressors can't trust their people to the same extend as a popular government

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>>2193450
Nice regurgitated party line the /leftypol/ thread told you to spin.

Reported.

>>2193460
Enjoy your ban for false report.

>>2193467
kys leftycuck

>>2193455
>Except the reason why the coalition couldnt imitate the French levee en masse is because they were afraid to arm their people
exactly, they were unwilling to sink to the depths of leftist barbarity

>>2193471
Leftists want to ban guns though

>>2193475
shut up you stinky butt

>>2193475
It's because they know better for the proletariat than the proletariat does.

Most leftists are just manchildren who really really want to impose their vision of an 'ordered universe' via bootheel to everyone's faces, not altogether different to natsocs but more autistic and less racialist.

>>2193365
The term leftist literally comes from the French Revolution you piece of shit

>>2193442
And they were AFTER the revolution. Utopian socialists like Proudhon were directly inspired by revolutionary thinkers like Babeuf.

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>>2192500
>Why are leftists so good at war?

Because war is inherently political. Where leftism is successful, it tends to demonstrate strong political leadership. War is an instrument of policy and thus leftist states that successfully achieve their goals domestically sometimes have this translated into success abroad through war.

Additionally, the objective of many leftist movements is generally not a nebulous preservation of a status quo, but rather a goal to change it. Because they focus on this goal, they know whom and when to fight, whereas reactionaries literally have to react. The left has the offensive initiative.

>>2193469
>bootlicking piece of shit calling somebody else a cuck

Liberal economic policies aren't helping you. You're just a useful idiot for the elite.

>>2193519
>says the faggot who whats to put white people into camps

>>2193508
>The left has the offensive initiative.
This is true, but works against them at least as often as it's an advantage. In Iran, for instance, leftists and commies teamed up with the Khomeini people and successfully ousted the regime, but then they all got purged by the better-organized religious faction.

>>2193630
>I'm wrong so I can only yell at a strawman

>>2193677
Lets see
>leftypol supports soros
>leftypol supports uncontrolled non white """immigration""" by """refugees"""
>leftypol worships black supremacism
>leftypol supports BLM
>leftypol members donated to BLM
>leftypol believes that white homogeneity is the supporting pillars of "traditional values" thus needs to be destroyed to bring about their "revolution"
>leftypol supports the """"migrants""""
Leftypol is SJW as they come

>>2193696
Leftypol doesn't give a shit about Soros or immigration. It's not a liberal board.

When Soros is every discussed, it's in negative terms due to his efforts to rig elections against socialists and communists in Eastern Europe.

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>>2193696
You probably also think they voted for Hillary over Trump.
Have you ever been there or are you just regurgitating shit you heard on /pol/?

>>2193696
Except they don't?

Nobody cares about Soros except for you guys.

>>2193696
You just described liberals. Leftists hate liberals more than you guys do.

t. Leftist but not from leftypol

Also, the fact that you two are coming from your respective hugbox politics communities to try to "convert" people on /his/ really shits on this board and I would like to politely ask you both (/pol/ and /leftypol/) to cut it out for the sake of saving one of the best boards currently on 4chan from going to shit.

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>>2193708
>>2193722
>>2193727
>>2193759
You SJWs are so pathetic with all this shilling

>>2193722
>image crying about /pol/
>the post is a fasle flag on /leftypol/
why are you SJWs such rats?

French fought against authority, leftists fight FOR authority.
And please, stateless communism...
Even marx didnt believe in it.
In todays world less gov is considered right togheter with market economy etc. While more regulations and more nannystate is considered left because as we all know all leftists are babies

>>2193351
A big population doesn't necessarily equate to a large military either.

>>2192500
same reason fascists are.
>you have to fight for us to defeat [insert current enemy here]

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>>2193894
Fascists are SHIT at war.

Commies are good, but the greatest killing machine is liberal democracy.

>>2192500
IN THE END IT DIDN'T EVEN MATTER.

>>2193829
>one thread over a year ago

Really makes you think

>>2193879
...Marx spent his life advocating for stateless communism

>it's a people get hyped because of a wiki screencap without actually knowing anything about the proceedings of that war edition

>>2192500
>Leftists
You are very confused. Every "Leftist" revolution in history has been immediately co-opted by right wing men--the only actual kind of men.

Look at Joseph Stalin and tell me that guy was a Leftist. He was not an ideologically driven beta assmad about how unfair capitalism was, he was a warlord and mobster who wanted more power. Literally the same with Mao, Castro, etc. The French Revolutionaries made a big fuss about all their progressive values--then they were immediately taken over by some Corsican guy who declared himself Emperor, dressed up like a king, put his brother in charge of Spain and basically continued acting like an Imperialists, marching of all the good little progressives to freeze to death in Russia so that he could build another arch in Paris.

Your mistake is looking at Leftism as a political movement instead of a disease that afflicts society and opens them up to takeover by primal forces. All primal forces are intrinsically right wing.

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>>2193829
There's nothing I love more than Leftists LARPing over an imaginary future in which anyone is going to a Gulag, while they are literally a protected class that the Elite keeps around as useful idiots to beat up anyone who resists them.

You could go out into the street with a copy of The Communist Manifesto right now and just read verses off of it in a Commissar uniform and while you might get some looks, mostly you'd get virtue-signalling whites clapping as you blubber off nonsense about how accepting a wage from an employer is the same as being robbed or about taking pride in your work being impossible because you don't own the business or some other nonsense. You'd get a Huffington Post article about how brave you are. When a Ukranian man whose father lived through the Holodomr calls you a murderous faggot, CNN and MSNBC would describe you as a "peaceful demonstrator" being criticized by a racist redneck.

Now, go get a copy of Mein Kampf (a book that killed 1/10th as many people) and an SS Uniform. Go do the same thing. See what happens. Then realize that "Porky" owns all the news outlets, all the media outlets, all the cultural outlets, all the newspapers, all the websites. Anyone who believes that being a LARPy commie is scarying "Porky" out of his boots is ignoring the facts: If the big bad Capitalists wanted you gone they'd have simply applied 1/10th the pressure to you that they apply to the Right.

But they don't. Because /Leftypol/ is a dog on a leash. A stupid dog whose antics are entertaining, and whose pretensions of righteousness make it useful to sic on inconvenient pests.

>>2194076
Except the French victory in the Revolutionary Wars was indeed impressive, no matter how you look at it

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>>2192848

>Implying something wrong with killing millions of people for the good of the nation

>>2192853
Liberation in Europe was predominately left-wing in origin

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>>2193829
>mfw the second post's irony is still lost on /pol/
Not surprised since irony died on /pol/ a long time ago but still

>>2192853
What's libertarian about equality and fraternity?

>>2194420
Yet Stalin his life fighting for the ideals of communism. Same with Mao and Castro.

Strength and decisiveness and are not right-wing attitudes no matter how much you want them to be.

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>>2194439
>mfw nobody will ever top the nazis as the biggest, most spectacular failures of the modern world

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>>2194439
This is completely backward.

Right-wing militants occupied federal land for weeks. The government did nothing. White supremacist infiltration into local police departments is well known. The government does nothing.

On the contrary, leftist militancy has historically been met with the federal jackboot. Look at the efforts to suppress Black working class radicalism in East Coast cities, most egregiously in the murder of Fred Hampton and bombing of the MOVE compound in Philadelphia. Cointelpro efforts work expressly to sabotage leftist organization in America. Just this year, Native efforts against corporate seizure, supported by large numbers of American leftists, were met by state violence at Standing Rock.

>>2192853
>Egalité

nope

>>2194731
>Right-wing militants occupied federal land for weeks. The government did nothing.
Because that was the correct response. Waiting them out lead to mass surrender, assaulting right wing militants in the past has led to fucking bloodbaths. It is the job of the police to avoid those, so they did.

>>2194420

I agree to some extent with your analysis, but...

>right wing men--the only actual kind of men.

False. The classical liberal master race > right wing plebs. Modern wars are decided by technology more than anything else, and classical liberal republics are the best places for scientific innovation. Right-wingers do well cannibalizing the fruits of previous, more liberal periods, but then their societies stagnate and get outcompeted by freer societies. All the right-wingers you mentioned failed to create conditions of true innovation in their countries, and their countries developed better after they died.

>>2194555
It was somewhat libertarian at the beginning, but then it was taken over by typical authoritarian cultists (leftist, rightist, doesn't really matter... same shit).

>>2194420
Well, not "all", I should say... we don't yet know about Castro, but my guess is that it will follow the same sort of path

>>2194439
>You could go out into the street with a copy of The Communist Manifesto right now and just read verses off of it in a Commissar uniform and while you might get some looks, mostly you'd get virtue-signalling whites clapping
Try that in the 1950s and see where it gets you.

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>>2192500
good at killing their own people

>>2195379
You're not wrong. I'm happy that capitalists are doing a good job squishing the rightist roaches... capitalism sucks, but it's 100000000 times better than communism or right-wing authoritarianism.

>>2194731
>white pride is bad
>but black pride is ok
why are leftists hate white people?

>>2195388
>the leftist is happy that opposing ideologies are supressed
proof that leftypol are literal SJWs

>>2195443
It's about ideology, not race.

>>2195448
>the leftist says this while defending black supremacist kids who kidnapped a mentally disabled white kid

>>2195451
I'm not even the guy you asked the question to, I just felt obligated to point out something blatantly obvious rather than allow for race-baiting.

>>2194731

>This is completely backward.

Yeah, remember that guy from mozilla who got fired from his job because he supported fag """marriage"""?
Or that university professor whose career got destroyed for saying we're all equal despite 0 evidence for ti?
Me neither

>>2194544
the second post supports treating "porkys" who support mass non white immigration better than those who don't, leftypol

>>2195447
I'm not happy that "opposing ideologies" are suppressed. I'm happy that dangerous authoritarianism is suppressed.

>leftist
>leftypol
Actually read my comments for fuck's sake. I'm not a leftist, I'm a classical liberal.

>>2195447
Also, I meant "squishing roaches" metaphorically - actually, I was making fun of right-wingers on /pol/ who talk about Pinochet helicopter flights and such, which disgusts me. I think that violent authoritarians should be "squished" in the sense that they should be given fair trials and then imprisoned if necessary, not tortured/raped/murdered... (unlike what leftist and rightist authoritarians would do).

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>>2194439
>When a Ukranian man whose father lived through the Holodomr calls you a murderous faggot, CNN and MSNBC would describe you as a "peaceful demonstrator" being criticized by a racist redneck.

Jesus Christ, could you possible exaggerate any more? What kind of fever dream world do you live in where CNN defends Communism and denies the Holodomor? It seems to me that you're some rightist that cries everyday about how much of a persecuted special snowflake you are. Actually turn on the TV or go outside for once and see what the real world actually looks like.

>>2195627
>What kind of fever dream world do you live in where CNN defends Communism and denies the Holodomor?
election 2016

>>2195631
Reminder
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3254239-Russia-Hacking-report.html
Russian agents are among us
Suffer not the /pol/ack

>>2195637
trump won, you anti white SJWs lost.

>>2195637
>Read the report
>Literally 0 evidence
As usual, the Left got BTFO and has no evidence to support its unrealistic claims.

Feels good to watch criminals lose.

>>2195627
>It seems to me that you're some rightist that cries everyday about how much of a persecuted special snowflake you are.

I'm sure you're used to people acting like leftists.

>>2195443
White pride movements are inherently about asserting whiteness over others, either through genocide, Jim Crow, or the deportation of all non-whites. Black pride movements emerged as way to celebrate a maligned identity. In this way, it's generally about pushing back against existing oppression than reinforcing oppression.

That doesn't mean all black pride is okay. The Nation of Islam and the New Black Panthers are black supremacist groups which seek to oppress others. They're fascistic organizations and should be opposed.

>>2196330
>Trump wants to reduce immigration, doesn't even talk about white pride
>"HE RACIST! FUCK WHITEY"
>white pride is clearly the problem

>>2195373
Liberalism is bunk.

Capitalism requires constant market expansion to prosper, yet we live on a finite planet. With capitalism we will inevitably hit a Malthusian wall and fall hard.

>>2196332
Trump tweets blatantly false statistics of race and crime and wants to ban all immigration from Muslim countries.

>>2196332
Who said anything about Trump?

>>2195451
Nobody is defending those guys. Get your head out of your ass.

>>2195476
I'm sorry, did the state do that?

State oppression isn't the same as being fired for being an asshole, you fucking moron.

>>2196347
whilte guilt faggots like >>2196330 are defeinding black supremacists

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>>2196419
The Black Panthers weren't black supremacists. They were a black socialist organization very eager to work with other non-black socialists.

>>2196694
hmmmm
ttp://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/06/24/black-panther-chairman-complete-charlestons-slave-rebellions-plan-to-kill-all-the-slave-masters/
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/08/15/new-black-panther-woman-who-put-dead-or-alive-bounty-on-george-zimmerman-now-vows-to-keep-her-foot-on-motherfuing-necks-of-whites/
http://www.examiner.com/article/new-black-panther-leader-kill-white-babies-by-bombing-nurseries

>>2196728
>New Black Panthers
>Black Panthers

nigga

>>2196728
Except I explicated that the New Black Panthers are pieces of shit >>2196330

The NBPP are pretty much the black version of Neo Nazis. No real connection to the now defunct socialist group.

>>2196736
>>2196744
anti white damage control detected, there isn't anything wrong with being pro white

>>2192500
>Jacobins = Bolsheviks

Today the french revolutionaries would be "conservative" in american terms, but in that time conservativism was monarchism. The only thing they shared with the bolsheviks was terror.

>>2192500
>People actually think the French Revolution was a good thing

>>2193495
Liberalism was left when feudal monarchies were right.

>>2196760
If you're not pro everyone, then it's generally pretty horrible. White supremacy is all about keeping down or killing those who are not white.

>>2196858
white supremacy is not letting you nigger worshipers flood the west with millions of """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""refugees""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

>>2194731
>corporate seizure

That's a funny way to spell "perfectly legal pipeline that the Indians were jealous they weren't getting paid for".

>>2194731
That's because right wing militants shoot back.

>>2196694
>crazy fucking commies who tried to cause irreparable damage to the US

But hey, maybe they weren't as racist as everyone thinks, so they're ok!

>>2194731
>>2195476

It's almost like the government actually isn't actively trying to suppress far right or far left lunatics because they're irrelevant LARPers living in the 1930s.

Woah...

>>2195388
This desu.

Communists and Fascists had their shot about seventy years ago and the fruits of their retarded theories were mass graves, terror, and misery (but sometimes there was some decent economic advancement so that makes everything okay)

I'm generally for free speech but in the case of these lunatics and their dangerous zombie ideologies I'm willing to make an exception. The 20th century is a sad testament to what happens when these people manage to get into power. Let it not happen again.

>>2197365
Yes, this. To be extreme in the pursuit of moderation is no vice.

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>>2195379
You would probably end up with a job at an university.

>>2197365
The problem is that the definition of fascism nowadays is anyone to the right of liberalism.

People like Charles de Gaulle, Konrad Adenauer and Josef Pilsudski, who actually fought fascists, would be considered "fascists" by modern standards.

>>2192500

They would be called right wing if they were around today

>>2197397
>Josef Pilsudski

Didn't he die before WW2 started. And his biggest claim to fame is beating the soviets in the 20s

>>2197397
>People like Charles de Gaulle, Konrad Adenauer and Josef Pilsudski, who actually fought fascists, would be considered "fascists" by modern standards.
no they wouldn't, and they aren't

>>2197397
>People like Charles de Gaulle, Konrad Adenauer and Josef Pilsudski, who actually fought fascists, would be considered "fascists" by modern standards.

By who? Far-left college students? Don't pretend like those men are considered fascists by people and society at large.

I really hate when right-wingers pretend like the views of radical neo-Marxists are mainstream.

>>2197427
>>2197424


De Gaulle in France is

Depends on time and place in relation to specific ideology. Leftists have plenty of times been very bad at this war thing, in relation to either particular right wing sorts or other leftists. It ain't reducible to ideology.

Because leftists have no morals and don't care how many of their own people die in war.

>>2196341
>posting lies

>>2197428
Probably because he was an unelected leader and unabashed colonialist.

>>2197424
>>People like Charles de Gaulle, who actually fought fascists

Poorly.

>>2192500
>Cuba
Literally fought off just a bunch of disorganized Cuban expats with CIA funding, my 6 year old daughter could've won that ""war"".

>>2192516
This

>>2194742
The "Equality" refers to equality before the law, which is a big libertarian cornerstone.
Libertarian would be a little too far fetched for the french revolutionnary, but it's where the "classical liberal" comes from.

>>2196933
Rightists are incapable of responding to anything but strawmen, it's wild

>>2197866
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/23/donald-trump/trump-tweet-blacks-white-homicide-victims/

>>2193759
>one of the best boards currently on 4chan

kek

KEK

>>2192500
What about the Spanish Civil War?

>>2192576
napoleon going full retard and being the architect of his own defeat doesn't change the fact that he was ultimately defeated

>>2193759
>one of the best boards
/his/ is utter shit though. It's easily one of the most retarded and least educated boards on 4chan.

>>2193879
What is libertarianism/anarchism?

>>2192500
Support of the wider population usually.

>>2199471
it's equality as Rousseau meant so equal and non equivalent participation to the state

it's fucking socialism

>>2193879
>leftist fights FOR authority
>french fought agaisn't authority

how does it feel to be retarded?

>>2199894
This is the answer. Right wing movements can only gain traction by allying with the church or by making promises to the working class.

The Nazis couldn't win an election until they convinced small farmowners in central Germany that getting rid of the Jews would make their lives better.