If you had to choose to be in an army commanded by a historical

Patton's Third Army

no question

To do my bit.

Sulla, without a doubt

>never lost a war
>oh wait lol scratch that, never lost a single battle
>encouragingly low casulaties for the winning side (his side) every time
>plunder/bonuses and promotions wherever I go
>monstrous efficiency and winning spirit
>get to fugg Italian, Greek, and Anatolian qts
>retire with a nice plump plot of land, maybe even a Senate seat after earning a corona

>>2190629
Either Alexander or Charles XII.

>>2190629
Norman swarzkopf. I get to fight, almost no chance of so much as stubbing my toe.

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THIRTEEN!

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Alexander

>>2190629
obviously Napoleon

Spartacus
[spoiler]I wanna die[/spoiler]

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>>2190629
Napoleon
>ywn experience Napoleon comeback from Elbe

Sallust. More like a Lt. but after the war was over he got to fuck slave girls and trash talked Caesars enemies.

>>2191144
>choosing a scientifically proven inferior general
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn-7UtKNuwE

Subutai

>Campaign all across the mongol empire
>Almost conquer Europe (before being called off due to Death of khan and re-election process)

If I was to be transported back in time, I'd go with him. Then tell him of the future so he could plan ahead and conquer Europe/Mideast/Africa/Asia/Etc

Mongols would then truly be the world's largest and most expansive empire by a zillion mile.

>>2191154
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn-7UtKNuwE
I know you might be joking but I fucking hate American TV.

>>2191158
>>Almost conquer Europe (before being called off due to Death of khan and re-election process)

When will this meme end.

>During the summer and autumn of 1241, most of the Mongol forces were resting on the Hungarian Plain. In late March, 1242, they began to withdraw. The most common reason given for this withdrawal is the Great Khan Ögedei's death on December 11, 1241, which supposedly forced the Mongols to retreat to Mongolia so that the princes of the blood could be present for the election of a new great khan. This is attested to by one primary source: the chronicle of Giovanni da Pian del Carpine, who after visiting the Mongol court, stated that the Mongols withdrew for this reason; he further stated that God had caused the Great Khan's death to protect Latin Christendom.[32] However, this contradicts the Mongol accounts; a high minister and historian of the Mongol Ilkhanate, Rashid Al-Din, explicitly states in his records that the Mongols were not aware of Ögedei's death when they began their withdrawal.[33] Rashid's account more accurately reflects reality, as by Carpini's account, a messenger would have to be able to make the journey from Mongolia to Central Europe in a little over three months in the middle of winter. Carpini himself accompanied a Mongol party in a much shorter journey (from Kiev to Mongolia) during the summer and fall of 1246, where the party "made great speed" in order to reach the election ceremony in time, and made use of several horses per person while riding nearly all day and night. It took five months.[34]

>>2191154
Why did Napelon get off the horse? He had the high ground yo.

>>2190629
Based Gaius Juilius Caesar

>>2191129
This

Would have loved to spear Persians at Gaugamela

>>2191166
Mongol party and courier travel at different speed.

Regular mongol cavalry could travel 100 miles per day in war scenarios, the Hungary conquests. Thats roughly 160KM per day. Mongol Yam system, the courier service, had to be faster than regular cavalry this is why they had an efficient delivery system that could go faster than the regular army or at the very least, match their speed. Lets say the 160 KM per day is the max mongols army could travel per day. If the courtier matched that speed, it would take roughly 1 month and 1 week from Mongolia to Hungary. Due to road hazards and such, if we remove the service 50% efficiency, it would be roughly 80 KM per day (10 kmph for 8 hours, light human jogging speed). That would take 75 days. Roughly 2 and half months.

This is a low ball number too, so Dec 11 to late March (lets say 20th of march) is roughly 99 days. 99-75 days = 24 days of decision making delays.

These numbers easily show that the mongol could communicate between the two areas with ease.

Plus when you have a European impression of the mongol cavalry speed, they'd be easily impressed. Even a regular mongol cavalry speed could easily be "made great speed." The reason mongols were so effective were their logistics capabilities. Their ability to travel 100+ km easily per day. Those types of speed is something European armies could only dream of in heaven. The average European army travel speed is probably around 10-15 miles per day (~20+- 5 KM).

Rashid's account is the main bit, however since he mainly resided in Persia, information may not be perfect.

>>2191110
XIII!!

>>2191154
What the fuck?

>>2190629

>Depressed
>Want to die

Field Marshal Douglas Haig please.

>>2190629
This picture makes me wonder, does the constant depiction of good guys in blue and bad guys in red (mostly in video games granted, but I feel there have been more examples in other media and in toys) go back to the anglo french rivalry in the middle ages and the napoleonic wars? Or is it just colour based due to the symbolism behind the colours (red aggressive etc).

>>2191347
Good guys in red, bad guys in blue desu

Gilles de Rais, for the kids.

>>2190629
Red Army during WW2

I'll make Zhukov look like a fucking pacifist

>>2190629
Constantine XI
> Constantinople finally fell to the Ottomans after a two-month siege on 29 May 1453. The last Byzantine emperor, Constantine XI Palaiologos, was last seen casting off his imperial regalia and throwing himself into hand-to-hand combat after the walls of the city were taken

>>2191406

All the possible choices throughout all of history, and you want to cower in an isolated city until the Turks break in and eviscerate you?

>>2191154
>Yanks seriously believe Washington was in the same league as Napoleon
>He's not even their best general/can barely be said to be a general at all
This is some central asian "we best in da world" shit right here.

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>ywn be part of a Calvary Companion charge that decides the future of the western world
>ywn ride knee to knee with your best friends behind the greatest man to ever live, racing for glory and godhead

>>2191398
No, you'd sperg out and lose Russia the war

>>2190646
Sulla was a widely known homsexual.

>>2191154
the hell?

>yfw this what burgers actually believe

>>2190669
>Charles XII
You go hungry for half the war and freeze to death in Norway. If the Russians don't get you first, that is.
>>2190629
Napoleon. Vive l'Empereur!
I go hungry for half the war and freeze to death in Russia. If the Russians don't get me first, that is.

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>>2191154
>Napoleon Bonaparte, the bloodthirsty French emperor whose maniacal dream was to conquer the world. Or George Washington, the American hero who against all odds defeated the mighty British army.
I REEEEEd with the force of a thousand suns. How they managed to cram so many misconceptions in two sentences is beyond me. Man, burgers need to be exterminated for the good of the whole world.

>>2191497
Every roman man was a widely known homosexual you fucking moron

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>>2191529
As an unwilling occupant of the American people I wholeheartedly agree
But be careful "we" spend half of "our" """""resources""""""" building "defenses" to kill anyone and everything that doesn't want to lie down and take our ""freedom""
God bless y'all
>tfw soon will not be able to say things like this without a trip to state interment camp

>>2191545
Don't worry on the 11th Trump will announce that it was all a joke and shillary will take his place.

>>2191497
Hurray?

>>2191406
>following the man who throws off his regalia in order to escape the city as a peasant
His death and the death of the Greek Vassalate were a mercy to mankind.

>>2191545
you know Euros hate self-hating americunts even more than they hate the regular kind of americunt, right?

mainly because you're pathetic as fuck bro

>>2191534
Not Augustus, he was a Hebephile.

>>2192286
>Augustus
>the guy who Caesar pumped full of hot cum via the tight hairless boipucci
>not homosexual

k

Alexander

>tfw thousands of years later some poo in the loo inhereted my autism.

>>2191529
>judging an entire people based on a stupid pop culture show

I guess we can judge all of British Academia based on "Willy No Mates", then?

>>2190629
George McClellan

>>2190629
Prince Edward's army at the Battle of Evesham.

Luigi Cadorna

>>2192378
RIP Anon

>>2191406
there are competing reports that he merely hanged himself when he heard the turks had broken through

>>2192402

Conflicting reports by a venetian who wasn't even there

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He's underrated in my opinion, held the austrians and germans at bay

>>2192402
Oh come on Anons, who believes this shit anymore but Byzaboos and Turkophobes?
>tore off his regalia and charged into the enemy
More like
>tore off his regalia and tried to flee in disguise

>>2191129

Good luck in India

>>2191154
Are they, are they seriously comparing Washington to Napoleon?

Americans stop embarrasing yourselves.

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>>2192569
>Not settling down in a bactrian frontier town with your qt after the Persian campaign

What did happen to Alexanders soliders after his death, I imagine they looted enough for five lives.
How many continued to serve diadochi

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>>2192737
Those indo aryans probably didn't exist before roman exploits, atleast not in great numbers they did afterwards.

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J.E.B. Stuart

Sorry that's stonewall

>ywn Fight in the Red Army during WW2 and put the Eternal Teuton in his place.

>ywn campaign with Basil II against the muslims and Bulgars.

Napoleon
No other man loved his men as much

>>2193161
>loved his men
>tramped across Europe and led them into a freezing wasteland for his own megalomania

How the fuck do you people buy into this shit?

>>2192409
No, he isn't.

He was shit, through and through

Wait, nobody here wants to charge into battle on top of an elephant under Hannibal's leadership? Disapointed senpai

>>2190629
The Army of Liechtenstein, no doubt
>Go off to war with your friends
>80 of you and your lads guarding a mountain pass
>some Austrian comes in
>befriend him with our meals of Käsknöpfle mit Apfelmus and end up drinking cider all night with him
>get called home
>bring your new buddy home with you
>suddenly the army to suffer the least casualties at -1, cementing your place in history forever
Literally the fucking best.

>>2191154
>

what in the fuck did i just watch

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>>2190629

Conrad von Hotzendorf

Cause I want to get fucked in the ass 12 times.

>>2192409
you should pick Diaz at least

>>2190629
French cavalry under Charlemagne

>>2191497
Good, more women for me and I can go to Sulla for advice on how my toga looks best on me.

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>>2190629
Joan of Arc.
It is pretty self-explanatory as to why I would want to be under her command.

UNDER
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D
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I wanna ride an elephant

>>2190629

Subotai

Guy was a beast, a tactical genius, his army had no match and Europe would have been BTFO'd had it not the mongols had to return to Mongolia after Khagan's death

>>2190629

The Mauryan Army under Chandragupta.

Need to spear some dirty greek mlecchas invading the homeland

>>2193062
>Those indo aryans probably didn't exist before roman exploits, atleast not in great numbers they did afterwards.
The Greeks didn't leave that much of a genetic legacy in India m8.

>>2193062

Romans never even came to India you brickhead.

And generalizing a population of 1.3 billion using two photos is a level of autism usually not seen even on this sumerian clay tablet forum.

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>>2190629
> you will never fight for Mehmed the Conqueror
> you will never siege Constantinople
> you will never bravely fight side-by-side with your Turkic Muslim brothers
> you will never bless Constantinople to Istanbul and a symbol of pride for muzzies everywhere

>>2190629

>not mentioning the Hero of Sack of Baghdad, Hulagu

Burn down the pride of muzzies and show then the mongol power.

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>>2194914
>Romans never even came to India you brickhead.

>>2191163
>>2191464
>>2191507
>>2191529
>>2191545

>Napoleonic Frances left in the world - 0.
>Murricas left in the world - 1.

Keep those tears coming.

Seriously, though, I think the more accurate historical parallel would have been for Napoleon to get to a 5-1 advantage over Washington and then lose.

>>2194925
That's trade which wouldn't have done much.

>>2194925

They had trade contacts. Never came as invaders or conquerors which is what "exploits" mean.

And most of the trade contacts were with ports in south india - specifically in modern day kerala and tamil nadu which is exactly the opposite of what was implied in >>2193062

>>2194926
Bait

>>2194916
It was still called Constantinople for hundreds of years by the Turks themselves after they conquered it, mate.

>>2194961
Half truth. The Greeks called it Constantinpolis while the Turks renamed it Constantinople.

>>2191497
the more reason to fight for him

>>2191154
well im off to drown myself in the toilet

>>2194387
kek

>>2191129
His soldiers revolted because of the terrible conditions in the army and marching for years.

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Under Montgomery in Africa. Shit was pretty fucking nuts.
I also feel like it was one of the very last fronts in any war that had some sort of romanticism in it.
>The complete admiration of Rommel by his and Italian troops
>The respect the Brits gave to Rommel who played them like fiddles
>No Americans till the end so soldier on soldier chivalry is often carried out
It's weird how a front that was SO important was also ignored so much.
Rommel was literally a few miles away from Cairo and the Channel, if he had captured those the war could've taken a very different turn.

>>2191347
It's from the US military, where in war games they use red to represent the enemy force they are training to fight while blue team represent Americans. It probably originates from cold war with red obviously referring to communists and blue being a color associated with the US Army for a long time (check out their early uniforms).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_team

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>>2194903
This.

But wouldn't it be under Porus more? He did the heavy lifting to demoralise Alexander's army and
>As for the Macedonians, however, their struggle with Porus blunted their courage and stayed their further advance into India. For having had all they could do to repulse an enemy who mustered only twenty thousand infantry and two thousand horse,

>>2195279
>It probably originates from cold war with red obviously referring to communists and blue being a color associated with the US Army for a long time (check out their early uniforms).
it orginates from british redcoats vs colonial forces during the american revolution you mong

>>2193818
>Tfw goes to Sulla for advice on how his toga looks best
>Sulla answers with on my floor

>>2192409
He was alright in terms of his defensive strategy but his offensive campaigns were a fucking shambles (see Caporetto)

>>2192409
it's the wop butcher shop Luigi!

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>>2195289
Reading up on the background of the fight between Porus and Alexander was pretty cool too.
>Alexander killed Porus's son
>Porus's son wounded Alexander personally and killed his favorite horse (Alexander loved the shit out of his horse and founded a city in its name)

They both had a grudge to hold against each other.

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>>2194903
They were known as the yona or yavanas, mlecchas were uncultured barbarians like the Scythians, Kambojas, Kirtas and other horse tribes latter applied to the dirty muslim invaders.

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>>2195355
An intersting note from the history states "Chandragupta had to engage all his military strength, even Greek mercenaries from Punjab in his conquest of the Nanda king"

>>2195378
How powerful was the Nanda Empire then?

And why didn't he invade the Central Asias/the ME after with such a powerful army? He could have easily conquered them.

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>>2195401
>How powerful was the Nanda Empire then?
According to Megasthenes quite strong,
>"Thus Alexander the Macedonian, after conquering all Asia, did not make war upon the Gangaridai, as he did on all others; for when he had arrived with all his troops at the river Ganges, he abandoned as hopeless an invasion of the Gangaridai when he learned that they possessed four thousand elephants well trained and equipped for war."

But when Chandragupta took over the Nanda Empire, it was through subterfuge and guerilla warfare and apparently, not sure if true, the buddhist text milnda pana "One Crore (10 million) soldiers, 10,000 elephants, 100,000 horses and 5,000 charioteers were killed in the encounter", I think the numbers are an exaggeration, they maybe 100,000 men, 10,000 horses and 100 elephants, though the chariots maybe a little spot on.

>And why didn't he invade the Central Asias/the ME after with such a powerful army? He could have easily conquered them.
Because he only wanted the land assumed under the ideology of his mentor Kautilya, this land was called Akhand Bharat and encompassed the north western areas like Gedrosia, Taxila, pic related.

>>2195266

It wasn't a revolt, as in the army deposed their leaders.

Alexander stayed with them throughout this incident, and agreed with them.

It was not a revolt in the strictest sense of the word.

>>2195437
>Thus Alexander the Macedonian, after conquering all Asia
But he didn't conquer all of Asia haha.

>; for when he had arrived with all his troops at the river Ganges, he abandoned as hopeless an invasion of the Gangaridai when he learned that they possessed four thousand elephants well trained and equipped for war."
Source for this? And I thought it was Chandragupta who sent him running.

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Mustafa Kemal Atatürk a.k.a. The God

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>>2191144

>ywn weep as L'Empereur returns to liberate France once again from another worthless inbred Bourbon

why even fucking exist

>>2195524
Turkey was better before it's secular revolution t b h.

>>2191464

>is proven to be terrible at actual war over and over
>is such an amazing guy he stays as supreme commander
>Continentals worship Washington as glorious symbolic leader

Without him the revolution would never have happened or been successful, his value is incalculable, in terms of inspiration and overall leadership they are comparable, militarily of course Napoleon, the actual soldier who actually knew how to conduct wars is superior, even without having the advantage of augmented teeth

>>2191347
>bad guys in red

>rightful claimant to France
>"bad guys"


SKREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>2191473
How can I lose the war when I LITERALLY have infinite troops?

>>2195555
quads confirm I would win the war

>>2195320

>tfw tricked into bed by Sulla AGAIN after swearing that the last 4 times were "the last time"

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>>2191468
>ywn be part of cavalry charge that decides the future of the western world

I know that feel bro

>>2192375
ywn hack Simon de Montfort to bits

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The Black Prince

The Dacian wars under emperor Trajan

>>2194916
>>2194916
> symbol of pride
> had absolutely catastrophic losses from the first and second assaults
Wew lad

>>2197158
I'm happy with that. I'm guessing the same men were used at Kenilworth, which little is known about so it will be good to see how it played out.

Majorian.

>you will never reclaim the Western Empire's lands, subjugating the feoderati, and keeping Gallic aristocrats in line
>you will never revolt when your Emperor is betrayed by his co-conspirator and reject the puppet replacing him

>>2192569
DESU everything after the death of Darius would be pretty shitty for the average soldier

Any female commander.

>TFW never be in personal guard of a QT commander.

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>>2190629
To serve Alfred against the Danes at Edington.

>>2194925
They weren't trading genetics.

Hannibal, for sure. That nigga knew how to treat his men and never sold your life cheaply. And it would have been awesome seeing him work. Having absolute confidence in your commander's tactical ability because he's a literal genius. Comfy as fuck campaigning.

Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf
because its nice and safe and I get to watch Iraqis get shit on

>>2192409
>wanting to subject yourself to 12 Battles of the Isonzo
>All of which failed for the Italians

You're gonna die in the Alps I think

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>>2195573
BASED SOBIESKI

>>2199263
Not much of genius by taking his men through the alps, killing half of them in the progress

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Khalid Ibn Al Waleed

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>>2199362

>>2195266

Not just because of terrible conditions but also because they had to thrown in everything and the kitchen sink to defeat a tiny kingdom on the fringes of the Indian subcontinent and alexander wanted to march on against the mainland kingdoms whose individual armies numbered in the hundreds of thousands.

In other words sure shot btfo and the soldiers revolted.

>>2195289

>But wouldn't it be under Porus more?

He did fight bravely and completely blunted the courage of the macedonians from venturing further especially when they heard Gangaridai and Nanda kingdoms were waiting for them on the other side of the Ganga with an army of more than 300,000.

But he still lost the battle. It was Chandragupta who actually defeated the Greeks and scored some hot greek pussy

>>2195401

>And why didn't he invade the Central Asias/the ME after with such a powerful army?

Because other than trade Indian civilization was mostly inward looking considering abundance of wealth, manpower and resources. There was no need to venture outside for anything.

Need for Resources has been the single greatest reason for invasions and imperialism and with fuckton abundance of resources in the subcontinent itself there was no incentive for expeditions outside

>>2195515

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Lives/Alexander*/9.html

More like 200,000 infantry, 80,000 cavalry, 8,000 chariots and 6,000 elephants.

The mere size of this army (and this was just one kingdom) was enough to send the Macedonians away.

>And I thought it was Chandragupta who sent him running.

Chandragupta btfo'd Seleucus Nicator, ruler of the most powerful satrapy who came soe time after Alexander

>>2195524
> ywn drag a nation kicking and screaming from the edge of oblivion into the the most modernized state in the entire region.
> ywn experience your countrymen subsequently misuse you for propaganda purposes in bringing down everything you created, proving that the people you gave everything really aren't worth it.

>>2194983
the turks called the city Konstantiniyye

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I would love to fight and die beside Gustavus Adolphus.

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>>2201270
>mfw the Grand Dream fell apart and swedes are now cucks

>>2195524
ataturk was too pure for this world

>>2190629
Yi Sun-Sin
Uses his troops advantages to the finest.
Loyal, but still relatively humble. Wins literally everything!

>>2190638
This

>>2193577
That's pretty neat!

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>ywn fight a guerilla war in Granada in the final campaign of La Reconquista, oust Charles VIII and his French army from Naples and Calabria, then be called to Venice to reconquer territory from the Ottomans, and finally be called to Naples AGAIN to defeat Louis XII and the French host under Gonzalo Fernandez de Cordoba.
Why live, lads?

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>>2194025
heh

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>>2190629
Jan Karol Chodkiewicz
Because https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl6zMiW3iwQ

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>>2190638
pic related

>>2199501
this is true