Was carthage better than rome or inferior? In what way?

>>2189662
Worse. They lost and got enslaved. Also they ate babies.

Carthage had Hannibal.

>>2189698
And still lost.

>>2189675
This.

But they burnt babies, they didn't eat them.

>>2189662
better explorers

>>2189772
Any information you can share? I only know that story about them and the ape
>Explorers/Adventurers from Carthage head south
>Run into troop of gorillas
>Immediately assume they're some weird ass humans, set to work killing all the males and capturing all the females
>Explorers try to talk to the female gorillas or at least establish some sort of dialogue
>These efforts resort in failure
>Explorers shrug, kill and skin the females, then decide to head home to show off the skins and burn some babies

>>2189662
Roman culture and a sense of belonging was what got Rome though hard times Carthage dind't have that they just mainly had a society based on making money and when the people in charge realize they can screw Carthage over and still make money you get colony's defecting.

>>2189711
Not an argument, If Genghis Khan was ruler of Mexico, he'd be dead in the first skirmish. A general is only as good as his army.

>>2189711
I like how you didn't even ask, "Which Hannibal."

>>2189662
They lost. That's all that matters

>>2189970
>Hi guys I have autism

Yeah the world's most experienced army bolstered with experienced and vicious Gauls. But yeah, basically they were a bunch of retards, right bub.

>>2189662
>Moloch worshippers
Into the trash Carthage goes!

We all talk about Carthage losing to Rome but Aristotle was praising them at a time when the Romans were still getting over a gallic sacking of their city, so you gotta consider heydays.

Would we say the Germans are better than Rome?

Personally I still vote Rome, but I think people always think of Carthage as "rome's rival" carthage and not anything before that.

Better.
They didn't culturally enrich their client states.

>>2189662
>carthage
>fell to one of the most civilized powers at the time
>rome
>fell to a bunch of snownigger barbarians

>>2189675
>>2189725
>believing Roman propaganda

>>2192099
They found the bones of children.

>>2189662
>implying you can quantify this kind of stuff

>>2192099
>Bible says Canaanites sacrifice children
>Bible has a myth that tells the story of ending child sacrifice, showing that the Israelites probably sacrificed children at some point
>Romans say that Carthaginians sacrifice children, independently
>Find mass graves of burnt baby bones along with other animals, not with humans or urns
No, clearly the Carthaginians are the victims of libel

>>2192359
This.

they were an impressive trading civilization. maybe rome could have been better or lasted longer if instead of blobbing, they instead established small trading cities throughout europe, etc.

>>2189970
>lions and donkeys

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Fuck Carthage, fuck Rome, fuck those "civilized" faggots

Carthaginians were merchants and Romans were militaristic by their nature. Carthage sounds better.

Also ancient vertical cities are cool.

>>2192430
With sea Jews, you lose

>>2189662
Peak Carthage was annihilated by mid republic Rome. It's kinda hard to make any argument for it being better.
I struggle to think of any way Carthage contributed more to human history and culture than Rome, especially since 99% of its written production did not survive to the present day.

>>2192379
You do realize that Carthage lasted 700 odd years to Rome's 1100 (or 2100 if you count the ERE) right?

>>2192425
t. Celtcuck

Roman Republic and its institutions was effective. Way effective than carthaginian. All Punic Wars proved that. What is the point of question?

>>2192895
>What is the point of question?
Boos gonna boo.

>>2192105
>citation needed

>>2192935
They also alleged that Cronus31 had turned against them inasmuch as in former times they had been accustomed to sacrifice to this god the noblest of their sons, but more recently, secretly buying and nurturing children, they had sent these to the sacrifice; and when an investigation was made, some of those who had been sacrificed were discovered to have been supposititious. 5 When they had given thought to these things and saw their enemy encamped before their walls, they were filled with superstitious dread, for they believed that they had neglected the honours of the gods that had been established by their fathers. In their zeal to make amends for their omission, they selected two hundred of the noblest children and sacrificed them publicly; and others who were under suspicion sacrificed themselves voluntarily, in number not less than three hundred. 6 There was in their city a bronze image of Cronus, extending its hands, palms up and sloping toward the ground, so that each of the children when placed p181thereon rolled down and fell into a sort of gaping pit filled with fire.

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Diodorus_Siculus/20A*.html

>>2192950
Is there any archaeological evidence corroborating such a thing?

>>2189814
Can I get a reference for that?

>>2192973
Yep.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jan/21/carthaginians-sacrificed-own-children-study

>>2192985
neat, thanks!
>t. learned something

>>2192980
Looks like he is talking about that:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanno_the_Navigator#Gorillai

>>2189662

Technically inferior but I do like Carthage and the Barca dynasty more than a lot of Roman stuff.

Hannibal really did beat the fuck out of them though to the point where they were pretty fucking triggered.

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>>2192973
Yes.

PS: Babies are buried here

Carthage was actually a league of polis, like the attic league in Greece. Carthage was the city-state leading the league. They were good at sea battles, but bad at land warfare.

delenda est.

>>2193052
>They were good at sea battles
Were they really? They barely managed a couple victories on the sea when Rome barely knew how to swim before getting the advantage reversed on them with the corvus. And in the second and third wars Rome rekt them completely and absolutely from a naval point of view.

On the other hand, they were at least average on land. Their mercenary cavalry (whic in some part was only mercenary in the sense roman auxiliaries were, since a lot of numidian tribes were subject to Carthage and a good few gauls were actually allies) in particular was top notch.

>>2193052
>Carthage was actually a league of polis, like the attic league in Greece. Carthage was the city-state leading the league.
Also you could make the same argument for Rome, which originally was a confederation of latin cities politically dominated by Rome. Both cities eventually expanded by force and colonization rather than diplomacy.

>>2190723
Rome survived and layed another layer on the foundation of western civilization. Carthage meanwhile...

>>2193029
Most are still borns anyway, not sacrifices