You have TEN SECONDS to justify your moral code without basing

>>2188672
My life is too regular to be immoral

I'd feel bad otherwise

>>2188672
I do what my mommy and daddy thaught me

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>>2188672

What's wrong with just treating people how I'd like to be treated?

>>2188672
I don't have a moral code

>>2188672
There's no way to verify solipsism, and no reason I ought to believe others' pain isn't equivalent to my own.
It's trite, but the justification for "do unto others..." isn't a spook per se.

>>2188684
Self-interest is a spook.

>>2188686
Obedience is a spook.

>>2188689
That's a spook.

>>2188693
>the justification for "do unto others..." isn't a spook
wrong

>>2188703

So what isn't a spook then?

>>2188713
logic

>>2188672
My morals is my selfish desire to live prosperous without harm to myself or hardship.

If I were to be antagonistic towards others, I'd expect others to retaliate against me in similar fashion. Not only that, if I keep being antagonistic towards others, I would mold my own mind to be antagonistic and thus would increase the likely hood of being in harms way. Reckless behavior = reckless outcomes.

My morals is more so a selfish guide to live a peaceful life while minimizing hardship.

>>2188719
Question, am I still spooked if I'm kind to others not because it's ethical, but because I enjoy it?

being moral gives me pleasure

>>2188705
The one I provided isn't though, it's logical.

>>2188719

So what's illogical about "it feels bad to be hit in the face, and I do not wish to make another feel bad, thus I will not hit another in the face"?

>>2188727
Self-interest is a spook.

>>2188733
Why do you care about them, if not because of a spook?

>>2188736
How so?

>>2188741
If he doesn't feel good about hitting someone in the face, why should he do it?

>>2188699
Inspiration as well?

>>2188672
Spooks are literally spooks.
Checkmate, *dibs fedora* :DD

>>2188719
>wants to get treated well
>treating people how I'd like to be treated usualy works
>proceed to treat them well

What's ilogical about that? Empathy is a basic human trait.
>inb4 it isn't

>>2188741
But I care about me, and I benefit from living in a world whereby there's a mutual agreement among people not to hit each other in the face, because I get to wander around without getting hit in the face.

Also, hitting someone in the face doesn't increase my overall happiness by more than getting hit in the face reduces it.

>>2188759
I never said he should, there's just no unspooked reason why he shouldn't.

>>2188764
Yes

>>2188776
>wants to get treated well
self-interest is a spook.

>>2188777
>But I care about me
self interest is a spook.

hey op just wanted to let you know everyone is spooked no exceptions

>>2188790
Physical pain isn't a spook though, and I'm on about avoiding it.

>>2188746
No basis in logic

>>2188785
Yes, I don't want to get beated/killed and I like to eat daily.
What's wrong about that?

>>2188805
that's self interest, it's a spook.

My moral code is dictated to me by society upon which im based. In order to participate and reap the benefits therein society, I am inclined to adhere to the code.

>>2188809
it's a spook.

>>2188812
That's the definition of a spook.

why would I want to do that?

>>2188813
>survival instinct is bad
Well, then we have nothing to discuss about.

>>2188816
doing whatever you feel like doing is a spook you know

>>2188813
Why are spooks bad?

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The only life I'll ever live is my own so let it fuckin rip, yo

>>2188829
who cares?

>>2188830
They mostly serve themselves.

sorrowful, yet always rejoicing; poor, yet making many rich; having nothing, and yet possessing everything.

Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, as those sent from God.

>>2188672
My moral code is maximising wealth for myself and my family.

hey op stop being spooked

>>2188866
wealth is a spook

>>2188853
not convincing

>>2188814
How is the need to participate, belong, and thus SURVIVE in society a spook? There could not be a more logical reason to retain a moral code. And who are you to evaluate what a 'spook' is anyway?. You're just a psuedo-intellectual dickhead pretending to be a philosopher when really, you don't know shit.

>>2188914
>>2188914
I'm 19 years old.

I am handsome, smart, athletic and virile.

I have a novel that is in it's final editing stage, and a creative writing professor at my college has read the first draft and thinks it's saleable.

I have a girlfriend who is confident, articulate, playful and spontaneous.

I have a small group of interesting friends from different social and academic backgrounds, and

I also have many other acquaintances who see me as a reliable source of humour and good company.

Both my parents are alive and in good health.

I have no regrets.

I have already experienced three existential crises, the latter of which was described as having the depth and profundity of a man twice my age.

I am a passionate lover, a sharp thinker, and a trader of witty repartee.

I am not self-pitying, meek or needlessly humble.

I will live a good life at your expense.

But sure. I'M the pseudointellectual.

>>2188930
lol this is great b8

>>2188672
my own self interest
if I don't manage to harm others, then there is an increased likelyhood they will act for my own interests, decreasing hardship for myself in the longrun

I base my actions on how much it will harm others

>>2188944
Self interest is a spook.

>>2188949
What if my interest is self preservation?

>>2188953
>self preservation
from an objectivve standpoint, why is this worth pursuing?

If you can't answer, it's a spook.

>>2188930
This is very good bait. I got a little bit angry reading it, not gonna lie. If this isn't bait then I can't wait until life brings you pain and suffering. It is then that you will learn humility.

>>2188963
so I can continue to exist

>>2188672
>morals
What? I have ethics not morals.

>>2188974
>so I can continue to exist
Why is this a good thing?

>>2188697
Only if you let others define what self-interest is for you.

>>2188970
>I got a little bit angry reading it

Why? Jealousy?

You can't control who you are. Try not to develop too much of an inferiority complex.

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>>2188986

I have a question about Stirner,
is he actively shitting on the construction of ideology in general or is he about promoting self awareness on why ideology is ultimately subjective and dependent on the person and his egoistical goals (around which he builds his ideology).
In other words, does he consider things spooks when they originate from the self rather than holy script, laws or society?

>>2188979
because otherwise I would be dead

>>2188992
why is that a bad thing?

>>2188990
You are spooked when you act against your own interests, presumably on behalf of something not even existing i.e. spooked = (self-)cucked

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>>2188672
>justify
>moral code

>>2188986
It was not the content of your post that sparked anger, but the pretentious wording. People with lives better than I are a dime a dozen. As are people who gloat about said lives. That doesn't bother me. But the fact that you think your existential crises are somehow deeper or richer than others' is highlighting how pretentious you are. That's why you're a pseudointellectual. You are equating your other successes in life with your ability to understand life itself. A foolish game you are playing. But like I said, as soon as you experience true suffering and mortality you will know the error of your ways.

>>2188727
>Question, am I still spooked if I'm kind to others not because it's ethical, but because I enjoy it?
no, that's what stirner says he does

>>2189008
guess im full of spooks

>>2188970
it's an old /lit/ copypasta

>>2188672
Because I will it.

this is the power of autism

>>2189018
Not my words, just people with Nobel prizes in philosophy.

But by all means, continue thinking that no one could possibly understand the world better than you. You aren't worth the time it took me to type this out.

>>2189036
>>2189035

>>2188778

What about "there will be inevitable consequences for my actions which will be unpleasant to me"?

Even if you go "law is a spook" or "social relations are a spook" if you choose to disobey the law/social code there are consequences to you specifically. If you punch a guy for basically no reason chances are you're going to get punched back. So that comes out to "I got punched for basically no reason."

So why would you do that, spook or no spook?

>>2189051
Self-interest is a spook.

>>2188672
spooks are spooks

everything is a spook

>Even after all these years of memeing, plebs STILL don't understand Stirner

Christ...

>>2188719
logic is a spook

>>2189055

How, exactly?

Give me your definition of a spook and please then explain to me how self-interest fits that definition.

>>2189062

Explain spooks then nigga, smugly declaring this while saying literally nothing of value doesn't make you sound smarter.

>>2189051
Obeying the rules because they're the rules is a spook (Be a good boy and follow the rules). Obeying the rules because there are consequences (Obey the rules or else I will spank you) is not a spook. Also a spook is is obeying the rules because of imaginary consequences (religion).

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>>2189100
Give me a logical reason why you should act in self-interest.

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>>2189103
Read.

>>2189103
He's the guy that claims people haven't read Stirner because he is butthurt about Stirner, and just tries to dismiss anything Stirner with baseless accusations.

>>2188672
I do as I believe will lead to a better situation.

The only person that matters is me

>>2189139
define "better"

>>2189140
self-interest is a spook.

>>2189113

>that image

I literally asked you for you to provide your own criteria and validate why you're making a claim. Evidently you can't.

>Give me a logical reason why you should act in self-interest.

Because it means I can ensure my needs are met and I'm not fucking killed?
Next are you gonna say
>give me a logical reason not to kill yourself!

If so, I'm going to need you to add your definition of logic, and if you think continuing to exist is illogical I posit to you, why haven't you killed yourself?

>>2189155
I'm not saying you should kill yourself. But why is staying alive objectively a good thing?

>>2189148
>its an ancap that thinks self interest means profit

>>2188813
It's not. It's just a trait of him.

>>2189116
Not butthurt about Stirner at all, but people seem to think that anything is a spook. And that's wrong.

A spook is only those things which makes you ignore yourself.

>>2189165
More like something you hold to be sacred. A belief that you won't ever allow yourself to question, an idea that you serve rather than an idea that serves you.

>>2189051
being 'spooked' is when you internalize the law and other crap,
when you stop being aware (or when you never were) of the fact those things aren't axioms
if a person wants to kill himself, but believes god will punish him in an afterlife or that it's against self preservation and doesn't do it, he is being 'spooked' by insubstantial ideas that are manipulating him
if a man compelled by duty to his country is told to go die in a war and he believes it despite not wanting to go, he too is being spooked
being spooked isn't about what exactly you are doing, it's about your justification, if you're doing things because that's what you want to do you're not spooked, if you are forced to do things things you don't want to do you're not spooked, because you aren't doing those things out of self delusion but out of necessity

>>2189176

>If you're doing things because that's what you want to do you're not spooked

But I was just told self interest is a spook.

>>2189184
It is, don't listen to these pseudos

>>2189173
Yes, in other words, an idea that makes you deny yourself.

So. This thread is shit, and it's bad.

>>2189148
Self-interest is instinctual

>>2189189
It is.

>>2188672
spooks aren't good or bad, you retard, even he said that.
Stimerfags are such edgy wannabees.

Let me get this straight, Stirner is basically a guy who says "Your ideas and beliefs are shit and I don't give a fuck about your explanations because they are bullshit anyway"?

>>2189184
some people don't know fuck all about max and are in these threads for the shitposting

but ignoring those, it's not wrong to say that turning 'self interest' into an ideology isn't as flawed as any of the other ideologies if you try to define it narrowly,
as long as 'self interest' remains the dynamic internal desires of the self rather than an rigid idea of 'self interest' you're not spooked

>>2189205
No, Stirner is more like this:

"I see that your ideas aren't egoistic. This means your ideas are wrong because the only thing that matters is the I."

>>2189161
so is ancap the new /pol/ boogeyman? How did you extrapolate that from what he posted?

>>2189113
>>2189159
wew lad

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I just want to have fun and watch shit fall apart.

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>>2188672
I'll do what I want and I don't give a fuck what some dead kraut would have thought about it

>>2189113
>should
nigga please. Get your is/ought sorted out. The primary nature of relationships between people is that of utiity, or something

>>2189289
Stirner salutes you!

>>2188719
logic can be whatever people want it to be. Not eating cows is logical in India.

>>2189283
that's not a moral code you amoral cuntbag, adopt a moral code and justify it

>>2189335
what's your moral code op?

>>2189289
now you're getting it

>>2188672
being moral in this way makes me feel good
how's that?

>>2188672
I do everything in my power to avoid spooks

>>2189421
Good for you.

>>2188930
>I have already experienced three existential crises, the latter of which was described as having the depth and profundity of a man twice my age.
that's not how you use the word "latter"
that's also probably not what an "existential crisis" really is
most people use it to mean "a crisis revolving around continued existence" or "a crisis based around the purpose of (one's own) life", whereas in philosophical terms, "existential" refers to choices and the ability to make them
>the rest
pretty sure it's pasta, but if not, you're not just failing to be "needlessly humble", you are not humble enough, period
also you're a fucking humanities major who hasn't even actually majored in anything yet, you don't get to act like a superior intellectual, now or pretty much ever

>>2188672
If I had to justify it, I would be ''spooked''.

Why is this thread posted every day?

>>2189655
Stirnerposters are terrible people

>>2188672
Spooks are in fact themselves spooks

>>2188686
did they teach you to sound like a faggot

>cynacism
Do you have a coping plan op?

>>2189304
Not really. Stirner was not some gangsta rapper trying to prove he didnt give a shit.

>sloping forehead
>weak chin
>cuck glasses

No wonder /his/ likes him.

Fun things are fun

>>2188930
lel humanities thinks he's a smart

>>2188672
Its irrational to collectively deny the self-evidency of all axioms without disproving every individual axiom's self-evidency

I have no moral code other than what is convenient for me or puts me at an advantage. Right and wrong are human constructs, a thousand years ago it was perfectly fine to kill a man under certain conditions

>>2188683
it's actually deeply immoral, just like all normal people's lives, and mine, but at least you're living a socially acceptable life.

>>2190276
Self-interest is a spook.

>>2188672

Frege–Geach problem.

Bye. :^)

>>2188672
Abiding a moral code makes you less likely to be targeted, robbed and killed by others.

Are fetishes a spook?

I dont have to because God exists

>>2188672
>You have TEN SECONDS to justify your moral code
I have a big stick to back it up with.

>>2188672
because it benefits myself.

>>2188672
I have no moral code

>>2191593
Grow up

>>2188672
Because it serves me.

>>2188672
I like it.

>>2189176
>if you're doing things because that's what you want to do you're not spooked
what if i make you do it by some form of manipulation and make you feel like you wanted to?

>>2192244
Tricked =/= spooked.

Of course people can have false information or what have you and operate on them but that has nothing to do with being spooked.

The only relevant question is 'so far as I can tell, does this action serve me, or am I serving some abstraction which serves me less than an optimum amount?'

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>>2188672
>justify
I don't think you've read or understand Stirner you fucking memeing pseud

>>2188930
This is one of my favorite pastas

Stoicism and buddhism are the perfect voluntary egoist philosophies

If you disagree, you don't know enough about either

>>2192920
>Stoicism
>if I act like it doesn't affect me, it doesn't affect me
philosophy for the fragile teenager

>>2188672
Wtf is a spook

>>2194716
Spook

>>2188672
Pleasure is inherently good and isn't a spook because it's something you directly experience.

meh i dunno if i have a moral code, i just improvise
circumstance is all, i guess

>>2194716
racial slur for black people.

>>2191569
self-interest is a spook.

>>2191628
that's a spook.