Who was the most powerful, most cunning and most illusive figure

>>2174636
Me. Though you will never find me.

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Bogdanovs.
>Rothschilds bow to them
>in contact with aliens
>control the French government

>>2174636
Rome, Venice, Portugal, just to name a few.

>>2174636
Maybe the Catholic Church. It's present all over the world and it manipulated humanity for 2000 and more year

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>>2174649
Rome, Venice and Portugal were ILLUSIVE though? In what way did their Rise to Power occur in the shadows?

>>2174636
Cardinal Richelieu

>>2174647
man /pol/ is getting really good at memeing literally whos into relevance over night aren't they

>>2174670
Perhaps he's referring to the secretive guilds and cartels of merchants, jews, bankers, masons, and religious authorities that amassed huge amounts of power in these regions?

>>2174682
>literally whos
>pair of celebrities, politicians, bankers, theoretical physicists that control half of europe

>>2174636
Eleanor of Aquitaine or Charles V

The one's the masses have never heard of. In other words, you question is unanswerable.

>>2174670
They were sneaky world powers that amassed large amounts of power quickly. Not exactly illusive but surprising.

>>2174636
The closest thing to an actual answer you are going to get is probably the hashashin

>>2174636
At a certain level of power you can't really hide it.

Also intelligence networks are like bread and butter to rulers. It is not like game of thrones where everyone is a naive fool except the main characters who have edgy conversations about very basic concepts the normy viewer can understand. There are few figures who openly declared themselves to be dedicated spymasters, everything was kept secret for obvious reasons and there were no intelligence dossiers that could be opened up in 50 years like today. They probably just tossed them in the fireplace to reduce the chances of information escaping to absolute zero. There is this guy though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Walsingham

If someone like that truly existed, you'd never hear of them anyways, as they controlled everything from the shadows, were never exposed to the light, enjoyed their luxury and died in relative wealth and contentment.
If I had to name someone who gets close to your description I'd maybe say Octavianus Augustus - he cucked the repubulicans, the triumvirate and took all the power for himself.

>>2174727
>show littlefinger
>everyone knows he's a devious cunning mastermind, yet for some reason they still go along with it
>book littlefinger
>everyone thinks he's just a flamboyant beta
Books are still weak in this regard, but this one pissed me off the most.

>>2174705
>jet fuel

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>>2174636
Cicada 3301 was pretty powerful. They were the ones behind the arab spring.

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>>2174677
This and Bismark.

Paul Kagame did some pretty cunning shit back in the 80's and 90's and still is to this day. History will remember him as the African Bismark.

>>2174833
Proofs?

There is a small, loosely organized ring of individuals who don't actually posses an incredible amount of personal wealth or explicit political position. They're the oddball invite at the dinners and galas of titans, and they mingle with the ultra-powerful as easily as though they were born into the life, but none were. In conversation, their rhetoric is seemingly casual but ultimately arresting. They project little outward confidence- even taking on an air of subservience at times- but their words are like viruses in the minds of the elite. A five-minute conversation that a Saudi oil baron can't even remember the next day can raise or lower the price of oil by ten percent. A short exchange with a tech billionaire can accelerate, delay, or cancel product development and release. Less than a hundred words scattered around a D.C. social function can provide Syrian rebels with hundreds of millions of dollars in training and equipment. Coffee with a Filipino politician on a sweltering July morning can result in the deaths of thousands, and put enormous pressure on one corner of the world's drug market.

All of them are perfect or near-perfect psychopaths- utterly inhuman minds. They have no explicit leadership, but they do have certain non-negotiable objectives which they are willing to spend any amount of time and human lives to achieve.

>>2174847
Sounds like a neat book plot. I'd buy it if you wrote it.

>>2174677
More like Père Joseph

>>2174654
That's just Rome, and they aren't elusive.

>>2174636
The Elders of Zion. A group of Jews going back to the Pharisees attempting world domination. Manage to convince everyone their leaked protocols were a forgery.

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>>2174636
Augustus Caesar
>
>I'm not a king, I'm just First Citizen. Kings have crowns and make people prostrate themselves. I'm just like, a first-among-equals. You know like how all Romans are equal but some are more equal than others?
>I'm just here to preserve the Republic and save it from itself, to make it like it was in the golden age when men were men and women and youths knew their place.
>Julius Caesar was a self-made man who lived the Roman dream and made himself fabulously wealthy by the sweat of his own brow. You should worship him because that's actually everything that you inspire to be in the world.
>I don't need public lictors, I have my own paid thugs err, I mean the Praetorian Guard! I call them that because it's like they're literally guarding the republic. And by guarding the republic I mean they're guarding it's most important citizen, the hope upon whom all of our republican values rest, of course.
>Appointing bickering senators to administrative posts only encourages restless behavior, so I'll just appoint these equites instead. Oh no, the fact that they're my partisans is totally just a coincidence
>the only permanent government post I really need is High Priest of the State Religion. I'll handle all those extraordinarily difficult and tedious and not-mundane-at-all affairs of calendar regulation and as a tiny, insignificant, forgettable little side project (which you shouldn't focus on too much) I'll control the flow of information throughout the city.
>Ever wonder why "Octo-month" is the tenth month of the year and not the 8th? Or why "sept-month" is the ninth month of the year and not the 7th? Because on the month with the most days of the year everyone still utters my name and remembers how powerful I wasn't

>>2174636
Petyr Baelish

>>2174855

Unfortunately, that book plot is what runs the planet.

>>2175552
What are their non-negotiable objectives?

>>2174647
Are they the new Hapsburgs?

>>2174636
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcibiades
/thread

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>>2176000
aesthetic borders

>>2176000

Weird high-concept shit pertaining to immortality, the nature of consciousness, and the harvesting of experiences from all of human history for their own hedonistic interest. I'm not too clear on it all.

The relatively recent rise of the private space industry is their doing, because part of their long game is the human colonization of space. Elon Musk is their proudest creation- the slow decline of government funded space exploration after the end of the Apollo program was their doing, in order to create the frustration that would ultimately cultivate a billionaire who was utterly devoted to the cause of making humanity spacefaring.

As far as I can tell, their individual lives don't matter too much to them (death being rendered insignificant upon completion of the above mentioned "high concept shit"), so they're frighteningly patient with their machinations. A popular tactic is to create situations that are seemingly counter to their motivations, which will generate a large number of people aligned with their viewpoints, a handful of which will statistically end up in positions of money and power. They then use these people as tools to shape the world.

>>2174714
Rome wasn't sneaky at all. Armies marching down a road at you screaming "join or get fucked" are not subtle.

>>2176314
Who are they? This is some x tier shit

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>>2174636

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJEV3dGyp3U

>>2176421
10 (you)s it's "DA JOOS', "ILLUMERNARDY", or "DA LIZARDS"

>>2174649
You're retarded, we're talking about individuals and not states. Rome also preferred a much more overtly militarsitic approach to diplomacy beyond its' borders unlike the Italian city states, the Persians or China

>>2174636
Talleyrand and Kissinger

>>2174833
Hmmmmm

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>>2174636
I hope you realize you are asking us to identify someone known for being the most ilusive and mysterious power-figure in history

>>2176625
Asking for this is essentially asking for you to identify the illuminati

>>2174647
tell me more

>>2174847
dude hypnosis lmao

Damascus

>>2174636
Jean Pujol Garcia, hands down, no questions asked.

>>2175324

Based.

>>2176314
Pls tell me you have some proofs or resources explaining more.

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Can't believe none of you guys mentioned the Stalin clique. Most of those guys were practically nobodies, but by the late 20's, they controlled a Great Power.

>>2176421

Read my original post. It's a tiny, unnamed, loosely organized group of incredibly manipulative psychopaths.

>>2177612

Even if I posted one of their names, you'd find nothing. Not a single one holds any kind of social media account, and they intentionally avoid having their names make the news. When cameras come out, they disappear like fish before a shark. At high-society events, parties, and weddings where photographers are present, they either dodge the camera or slip the folks a few hundred dollars to exclude them from even being in the background of shots.

All of their written records are in an invented non-Latin script, and most of those are destroyed immediately after they're no longer of use. When they speak to each other about sensitive matters, it's in a language of their own invention as well, which I'm almost certain accompanies the script. An outsider could sit in at one of their rare physical meetings, and glean absolutely nothing from it.

>>2174847
Is this just a copypasta from the new hitman game.......

>>2179314

u wot

>>2179214

Then how comes You know about them? Where'd You First get This idea?

>>2175324
yeah he's pretty much the ultimate incarnation of his kind
nobody has truly come close to what he did

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>>2174636
This man right here.
Even Kissinger couldn't understand what he could.

>>2176314
>immortality, the nature of consciousness, and the harvesting of experiences from all of human history for their own hedonistic interest.
that would be me, except I'm a sperg with no social skills

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>>2175324
>Too bad my wife cucked me out of all of my rightful heirs

>>2174682
idk about the rest of europe and the usa but they are definetely famous in France at least

>>2179475

I know three. One is a pretty close friend and I met the others through them.

A notable thing about psychopaths is that they like to show off their handiwork- all the better if the one they show isn't in any position to actually do anything about it.

>>2179603
There's no proof Livia was behind their deaths

>>2179771
I don't you understand what a 'psychopath' is.

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>>2179793
Yeah, everyone that rivaled her son Tiberius just happened to die in mysterious circumstances. I'm sure it was just a coincidence.

>>2179880

I'm using it to refer to extreme Antisocial Personality Disorder

>>2174847
So what's their endgame?

>>2180218

Becoming God, probably. Refer to >>2176314

>>2179603
It's treason, then.

>>2180232
Tell them their God is boring.

>>2179771

So how much do You actually know? How did You meet The 'friend' and how much is he willing to talk about?

>>2179771

So how much do You actually know? How did You meet The 'friend' and how much is he willing to talk about?

>>2180138

Tell me more

>>2180478

He's just one of my friends. As in, a person I've known for a while and like to hang out with. He won't talk about what I've said in this thread, because he and the rest of his organization prefer absolute secrecy.

As for the APD/psychopath thing, I suspect from your writing style that you aren't very proficient with the English language, and I'm just not willing to try and overcome that language barrier right now.

>>2180296

I don't even know what their consensus on God is, so I can't see how that'd be productive.

>>2174647
They look like the children of Mark Ruffalo and Robbie Rotten

>>2174647
Why do I see this everywhere lately
Who are these beautiful gentlemen

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>>2176314
>>2179214
>>2180232

>>2176530
Talleyrand masterminded the Bourbon restoration

>>2180626

That's close. I think they plan to usurp rather than merge though, if there's already a God.

>>2174847
Okay but who is this small ring of individuals

>>2180866

I'd rather not be dismembered and fed to pigs, in the event that you somehow manage to glean useful information from their names.

>>2180626
Where is this from?

>>2181001
I think you know how to use google.

>>2180914
You realise that without any evidence, you're only providing us a quickly-forgotten bit of entertainment, don't you?

>>2181039

Yep, and my lack of evidence to give is entirely by their design.

Just thought you guys would like to know. Whether you believe it or not is immaterial.

>>2181059
They can't even prove their existence

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>>2174636
this little fella

>>2181059

Can you name a recent event which ''''they'''' have influenced?

>the gullible retard are still replying to that /x/- tier b8

Christ almighty.

>>2180663
And how do they plan to do that?

>>2181316
See >>2181125

>>2174833
shhh!! the goyim can't know!

>>2181336
crashing this thread

>>2174838
I second Bismark, was always way ahead of everyone

>>2181316

Like I said, the whole geopolitical landscape of human space exploration is pretty much exclusively their doing, as well as Duterte's rise to power and mass suppression of the Phillipine drug trade. Also, the Middle East is kept in turmoil for the purpose of excusing the ludicrous size of the US military, which in turn discourages large-scale destructive conflict.

>>2181125

Exactly, and why would they ever want to?

>>2181336

I have no idea, but getting humanity to the upper areas of the Kardashev scale is involved.

>>2183713
Addiction

>>2183847

What?

>>2183858
Learning the results of one's actions could show them not only what to look for to find out again but where not to look and how to find it.

>>2183872
*To find it again
>not out

>>2183858
See
>>2183872
>>2183875

>>2183713

They sound rather arrogant.

How would they survive the ages? Death finds us all eventually.

I'm rather sceptical of their supposed control of geopolitics aswell. The world is in constant flux, after all.


But please, enlighten me.

>>2185183
Death can reveal a lot about one's life.

>>2185183

They don't control the minutiae, at all. They observe the churning of the world geopolitical machine, and make small adjustments which are carefully crafted for maximum impact without needing micromanagement.

As for death, refer to >>2176314

As they see it, if the long-term plan works out, death is a non-issue. If it fails, they all would have died eventually anyway.

Their arrogance is, at least, accompanied by a little over a century of success.

>>2185796
You talking about the Freemasons?

>>2185812

The Freemasons are a bad joke

>>2185845
I take that as a yes ya no fez wearing dunce

>>2185796
How are you sure they're not some rich autistic children of rich guys who like to pretend that they secretly are the illuminati?
Couldn't they just be compulsive liars?

What exactly have you seen them do besides bribe photographers to not take pictures or something.

>>2187294
No need to bribe, at the right distance everything is still conjecture but pretty damn evident.

>>2185796
>over a century of success

Are you saying that they have lived longer than the average human being? Please, address my death-related question more directly.

Seconding >>2187294 what hard evidence has your friend from this group presented?
Don't you think there may be a slight possibility that he is making all of it up?

What more, would you not be liability, talking about them here even if you wouldn't disclose sensitive information?


Your explanations leave us with more questions than answers, my friend. And don't forget: arrogance blinds.

>>2174737
>Octavianus Augustus
Not exactly an elusive figure, though he did out-fucking-skill everyone else.

>>2174636

Baron Von Rothschild (idgaf about the conspiracies so much but his role in organizing financial infrastructure and central banking revolutionized how wars were funded and fought)

Conelius Vanderbilt - just read the First Tycoon. At his death if he were to auction off his assets it would take 1 out of every 20 dollars out of circulation. Pioneered the modern corporation, modernized wall street/trading, single-handidly revolutionized transporation via steamboats (as a part engineer/captain/monopolist) and railroads, created the Panama Canal connecting east and west, and turned the old aristocracy on its head forever.

>>2185796

>if i describe the Rothschilds agent's and not the Rothschilds n crew I'll sound smarter

Though not many are familiar with the other Houses (Warburgs etc). Then, of course, there are the Velons.....

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Catholic Church

>>2188472

>Are you saying that they have lived longer than the average human being?

New members are occasionally brought in as old ones die.

I'm not a liability, because as you've seen, I can't produce any proof. If I had the ability to produce proof, I'd be dead. If they're making it all up though, they're going to fantastic lengths to convince me. I was brought into one of their meetings during the middle of what my friend had initially told me was a road trip. It was held in the middle of a decrepit warehouse in Houston TX, and about twenty members of varying age and race were there, with those who I'd guess were Americans composing a little less than half. A few of them also had non-members accompanying them, and we sat off to the side of the main table, mostly in silence. The members spoke entirely in their fabricated language, exchanged and compared notes, and seemed to arrive at several agreements or courses of action. I was blindfolded on the way into and out of the city and warehouse.

Again, I can only guess that they allow people like me to exist because most psychopaths enjoy having an audience to their actions.

>>2187294

None of them are overtly wealthy, as far as I can tell.

>>2189097

And what is their reasoning for letting others in?

>>2189127

>Again, I can only guess that they allow people like me to exist because most psychopaths enjoy having an audience to their actions.

They justify having an audience by ensuring the audience can't prove anything.

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>>2189136

Yet you speak of them right now and have revealed the idea of their cabal, their motivations and atleast a part of their modus operandi to us.

Assuming it's not some fantasy, wouldn't they be upset with you talking about it here?

>>2174647
So this is what it looks like to have a big chin and no jaw

>>2189194

Why would they be upset? None of us, myself included, can impede them, credibly expose them, or even positively identify them as part of this organization.

>>2189097
>if i had the ability to produce proof, I'd be dead.

If you had the ability, would you try?

>>2189378

I've misunderstood an earlier explanation of yours then, my bad.

>>2189431

Assuming I were both alive and in possession of hard evidence, which in itself would be a very unlikely combination, I'd keep it to myself.

I don't have any real opposition to their plans, and I wouldn't want to hinder them if I were capable of doing so.

>>2189503

getting humanity up the kardashev scale is pretty cool desu

>>2189503
Not what i asked.

There was this guy with the name Borcha, I believe. Mafia like merchant that bought and blackmailed his way to be the Pope.

>>2189503
>>2189572
Unless you meant present when you said produce instead of how i interpreted it (like obtain)

>>2189578
Borgia?

>>2189586

I meant it as presenting evidence, yeah

>>2189609
Are you an influential person?

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>>2174636
Charles II of Spain, obviously.

>>2189624

Not currently. The career I'm training for and my plans for the future would make me one on a moderate scale, if they pan out. That's always a big "if" though.

>>2189660
Why can't you say "yes" now?

>>2189744

Because I'm not. I don't come from a social or economic background that carry inherited influence, and I'm still working towards being a person of earned influence.

>>2189858
You're not telling me you've got me convinced?!

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>>2174847
>>2176314
>>2179214
>>2185796
>>2189097
>>2189378

What do they think of the pleroma? Which side those niggas on?

>>2190194

Every political, religious, and social ideology is a tool to them.

They will use these tools to encourage human development beyond anything we can currently imagine, and when the technology is sufficient, they will retrieve the minds of all past members of their order from throughout history if possible, and merge into a single godmind that will proceed to explore whatever higher orders of reality there may be, in search of more power.

>>2189595
That's it.

Livia Drusilla

>>2190354
So they are just warhammer 40k fans then

>>2189097
Do you know anything they have actualy done?

Maybe it's just a linguistics club full of top class autists who like to trick people.

If you said they're not too wealthy how much influence do they actualy have? What other (if any) forms of power do they wield? They can establish a hundred secret orders if all they do is exchange messages.

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>>2190575
She did NOTHING wrong

>>2174636
>Who was the most powerful, most cunning and most illusive figure or organization in history?

The city of London

Vatican

Washington DC


Mostly these little historical city-states which fly under the radar without people noticing they're small but have all the world's elites there that manipulate the world

>>2189097
What was the conversation at the kids table like?

>>2190752

>Do you know anything they have actually done?
>If you said they're not too wealthy how much influence do they actually have? What other (if any) forms of power do they wield?

You don't seem to have read my other posts with any kind of diligence.

>>2191328

Apart from some introductions, not much. One was a member of Congress, probably House of Reps, but I can't remember his name or if he's still in office.

>>2191833
Do you think they picked you to join because of your bad memory?

>>2191849

This was six years ago, and I'm especially bad with names.

>>2191857
Doesn't answer my question.

>>2192050

Answer to your question would be no

>>2189097

>guyz
>roleplaying is awesome

>>2174636
>>2191849
>>2191857
>>2192050
>>2192071
>>2192288
The answer is the CIA. If you only knew mate. Maybe Opus Dei/Le Circle also.

Kublai khan

>>2192303
Map nerds? Doubt it.