Is it immoral to neglect your body? I mean both physical

>>2152903
According to which kind of morals?

>>2152910
Yours.
Convince me.

>>2152903
amoral? depends on your system

personally I think socrates (via xenophon, and since socrates was a soldier during the Peloponnesian War it seems like it is probably true) said it best:

Just as much as the competitors entered for Olympia. Or do you count the life and death struggle with their enemies, upon which, it may be, the Athenians will enter, but a small thing? Why, many, thanks to their bad condition, lose their life in the perils of war or save it disgracefully: many, just for this same cause, are taken prisoners, and then either pass the rest of their days, perhaps, in slavery of the hardest kind, or, after meeting with cruel sufferings and paying, sometimes, more than they have, live on, destitute and in misery. Many, again, by their bodily weakness earn infamy, being thought cowards. Or do you despise these, the rewards of bad condition, and think that you can easily endure such things? And yet I suppose that what has to be borne by anyone who takes care to keep his body in good condition is far lighter and far pleasanter than these things. Or is it that you think bad condition healthier and generally more serviceable than good, or do you despise the effects of good condition? And yet the results of physical fitness are the direct opposite of those that follow from unfitness. The fit are healthy and strong; and many, as a consequence, save themselves decorously on the battle-field and escape all the dangers of war; many help friends and do good to their country and for this cause earn gratitude; get great glory and gain very high honors, and for this cause live henceforth a pleasanter and better life, and leave to their children better means of winning a livelihood.

>>2152917
>continued
I tell you, because military training is not publicly recognized by the state, you must not make that an excuse for being a whit less careful in attending to it yourself. For you may rest assured that there is no kind of struggle, apart from war, and no undertaking in which you will be worse off by keeping your body in better fettle. For in everything that men do the body is useful; and in all uses of the body it is of great importance to be in as high a state of physical efficiency as possible. Why, even in the process of thinking, in which the use of the body seems to be reduced to a minimum, it is matter of common knowledge that grave mistakes may often be traced to bad health. And because the body is in a bad condition, loss of memory, depression, discontent, insanity often assail the mind so violently as to drive whatever knowledge it contains clean out of it. But a sound and healthy body is a strong protection to a man, and at least there is no danger then of such a calamity happening to him through physical weakness: on the contrary, it is likely that his sound condition will serve to produce effects the opposite of those that arise from bad condition. And surely a man of sense would submit to anything to obtain the effects that are the opposite of those mentioned in my list.

Besides, it is a disgrace to grow old through sheer carelessness before seeing what manner of man you may become by developing your bodily strength and beauty to their highest limit. But you cannot see that, if you are careless; for it will not come of its own accord.

socrates the /fit/izen

>>2152917
>>2152918

So Socrates was saying you should be fit because you have a duty to the state to be a more useful soldier. That doesn't seem universally applicable, even if you buy the argument.

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The body is evil, overated and just a prison of the demiurge to the light, you shouldnt give a fuck about it trust me.

>>2153711
He was pagan. He's in hell now.

do cows often try to get past barbed wire? Like it doesn't seem like an imposing barrier for something as big as a cow unless they've already tried & failed and learned their lesson.

Can they learn by watching other cows try and fail? Or are they just so complacent that they don't even bother.

>>2154416
It hurts them and even if it didn't, they wouldn't try much hard to cross that barrier . Cows are pretty dull animals.

>>2153711
Well, he focuses on the military, but also gives two other arguments: that health and fitness are beneficial to all pursuits (even intellectual ones), and that you only have one chance to see what your limit is, which is in your youth. If you squander that you dont get another chance.

Again, not objectively right logic but i do tend to agree with it

>>2152903
Is it immoral to neglect the urge to ask stupid fucking questions?

>>2155242
"There are no stupid questions, only stupid answers."
-Anon

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