Why do normies ignore the fact that Britain (and France but who

Implying WWII wasn't started with Japanese invasion of China.

>>2149390
Relax, everyone knows Neville was a mistake.

>>2149394

*WW2 in the European theater

they are responsible in the sense that they signed the Munich agreement instead of putting the perfidious germs into submission when they had the chance.

REMINDER THAT

>Poland offered to cede the entire corridor to Danzig
>Hitler IGNORED every warning not to invade Poland
>Danzig was a FREE CITY. NOT A PART OF POLAND

>>2149401

They are responsible because they were meddling in the affairs of other countries hundreds of miles away.

What if Germany declared war on Britain every time it was invading a state that was part of it's vast imperial empire?

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>>2149405
They were defending the rights of the poles, who may I remind you, Hitler had plans to genocide and repopulate the area with Germans.

>>2149405
>What if Germany declared war on Britain every time it was invading a state that was part of it's vast imperial empire?
Then queen would laugh her arse off

>>2149408
>They were defending the rights of the poles

Yeah Britain has a great history of moral highground and caring about the sovereign rights of other people. It's not like it had enslaved millions of people through its vast empire.

>Hitler had plans to genocide and repopulate the area with Germans

You are exaggerating but even if this was 100% true Britain has no business meddling with the affairs of Central European states.

>>2149405
>What if Germany declared war on Britain every time it was invading a state that was part of it's vast imperial empire?

Germany would lose every time, LOL

>>2149412
The notion that a nation-state isn't entirely justified in intervening to protect its interests is laughable.

>>2149405
wew lad

>>2149412
>You are exaggerating but even if this was 100% true Britain has no business meddling with the affairs of Central European states.
Neither did Reich had right to invade Poland.

>>2149410
>>2149416

Not an argument

>>2149417

Then stop the hypocrisy that Britain was serving a higher moral goal to defend Poland and the rights of people to self determination from annihilation because it's laughable. Britain set up the stage of war and confrontation and in 1939 it got what it wanted all along.

Why did Britain care if the German-Czech border shifted a few kilometers?

>>2149424
>Why did Britain care if the German-Czech border shifted a few kilometers?
Because it's Czech land that Germany has no right to steal.

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>>2149423

k keep me posted

>>2149403
>>Poland offered to cede the entire corridor to Danzig
source needed for purpose of arguing against stormweenies pls

>>2149424
This may surprise you, but the continued existence of neutral buffer states has been an interest in international politics since the Congress of Vienna.

Something Bismarck understood and the Germans didn't seem to understand when they invaded neutral Belgium for the sole purpose of having an easier time getting into France in 1914 and a concept you don't seem to understand now.

>>2149426
This picture includes the colonies of the vast empires of Europe as seperate and sovereign countries, so it's wrong.

It even includes countries that declared war on us, like Japan.


If Hitler wasn't chronically autistic he would have negotiated over the Polish borders, as Versailles enabled him to.

>>2149424
>Why did Britain care if the German-Czech border shifted a few kilometers?
You are not the sharpest mind, are you?

>If Czechoslovak German border shifted a few kilometres, the whole Czechoslovakia falls
>If Czechoslovakia falls Germany gains a shitton of weapons and industry and only thing threatening her eastern flank would be Poland, which is not a threat at all
>If Germany gains shitton of weapons, manpower and confidence, it might invade France
>When France falls rest of Europe follows
>Then all between the Germany and Britain would be the painfully thin corridor

>>2149390
Germany knew well that war with Britain and France would declare war on them if Germany invaded Poland.

>>2149424
>Why did Britain care if the German-Czech border shifted a few kilometers?
>what is the balance of power

I'm sure letting the most aggressive peoples in Europe become the dominant power in Europe, just 20 years after they started a world war, would have helped the cause of world peace.

>>2149424
Czechoslovakia produced the best tanks in central Europe in 1938, certainly better than the Panzer I and IIs that still formed the bulk of the heer. The Germans relied on the Skoda-made Panzer 35t and 38t to bolster the few Panzer III and IVs they had early war.

>>2149408
The question we need to ask ourselves here: are the rights and lives of Poles actually important enough to start a major European war over?

>>2149439

Nice fantasy real life is not a video game. Hitler didn't want to take over the world that's a ridiculous meme. Germany wanted to rectify what it percieved as the injustices of the Versailles treaty. Germany was a central European superpower it had a hegemonical position in that part of the world. It sucks that states back then didn't respect the sovereignity of other people but this is how the world worked.

>>2149436

>Poland was a buffer state between Germany and Britain

Wtf and I haven't even mentioned the Soviet invasion of Poland 2 weeks later don't get me started on that...

>get warned not to do something
>does it anyway
>warned again not to do something
>does it again anyway
>warned yet again and told there will be severe consequences
>does it yet again
>inevitable consequences happen
>MUH REICH WAS A GUD BOI HE DINDU NUFFIN

Nazi Lives Matter?

I am starting to think that the eternal anglo memes were right all along...

The hypocrisy and the double standards are mind blowing and apparent to anyone who can think outside the emotional appeals and the propaganda

>>2149449
Poland was a French (and indirectly British) ally who could potentially divert German forces from the western front should war occur.

Of course, French intelligence believed in nonexistent spook divisions and failed to actually press that advantage in the Saar offensive, but that's not the fault of the people who made said alliance.

>>2149449
>Nice fantasy real life is not a video game.

>Literally happened
>fantasy

>Hitler didn't want to take over the world that's a ridiculous meme.
>Blobs over half of Europe, subjugating what's not worthy of being lebensraum

>Germany wanted to rectify what it percieved as the injustices of the Versailles treaty.
>By conquering France and Eastern Europe

>>2149447
And the answer is yes.
If Germany took Poland without resistance then her only de jure claims lied with France, Belgium, Denmark and the Netherlands. World War 2 was inevitable from the moment Hitler annexed Bohemia

>>2149449
Yes, fucking Poland, Norway, Belgium Czechoslovakia, Russia, Yugoslavia, Greece and Luxembourg. were really behind the Treaty. The people of these sovereign countries deserved to get massacred for this (somehow).

>>2149445

Czechoslovakia also had a large German population and Germany sought to unite all German people under a single state.

Using your "logic" NATO would be perfectly justified to start a nuclear war with Russia over the annexation of Crimea

>>2149461

Germany repsected the neutrality of countries to some extent. In the meantime the allies were one step from invading Norway made plans to invade neutral Sweden invaded Iceland etc.

>>2149465
The sudetes had a large German population. Hitler was given this in the Munich Conference, and then annexed the rest of Bohemia (with no large German minority) simply because he thought he could get away with it.


>Using your "logic" NATO would be perfectly justified to start a nuclear war with Russia over the annexation of Crimea

Of course not. Now, if Russia took the Baltics, Central Asia, all of Ukraine and Poland back then NATO would be justified in attacking Russia.

We were incredibly lenient with Germany (as Brits don't have a bloodlust like the Teutons) but they just kept going.

>>2149457

>Germany tears up its agreement not to invade Poland and does it anyway
>Britain declares war on Germany to honour its agreement to defend another country from German aggression for the 2nd time in 30 years.
>Britain is the untrustworthy one in this situation

>>2149463
>And the answer is yes.
You think Hitler would have bothered with France and Britain if they didn't start trouble?

>>2149449
And as a signatory of Versailles, the British had the right to enforce the treaty on signatory Germany if it so chooses to abrogate said treaty by force instead of negotiations.

>>2149390
>implying that only one particular country was responsible for WW2

>>2149470
Poland didn't start trouble, neither did Czechoslovakia or the Soviet Union so yes, they would have.

>>2149470
Maybe not Britain but Hitler certainly had an axe to grind with France, even if he admitted the French.

You know, the part of the Versailles treaty that had France (re)take German clay?

>>2149474
Germany never attacked someone out of random. There always was a military purpose behind the invasions.

>>2149472

Perfidious albion. Britain is not the policeman of the world. It doesn't have a moral highground. It created the largest empire in human history using war famine and genocide.

>>2149478
>The Mongols never attacked someone out of random. There always was a military purpose behind the invasions.

>>2149465
Jesus anon, are you sure you are on the right board?

>Czechoslovakia also had a large German population and Germany sought to unite all German people under a single state.
Then German goal was against international law, British interest and good morals (since small amount of people lightly oppresed is lesser evil than ;arge amount of people heavily opressed)

>Using your "logic" NATO would be perfectly justified to start a nuclear war with Russia over the annexation of Crimea
Thats a terrible comparism, since 1)on the Crimea Russians vastly outnumber the rest 2) Putin did not deported non-Russians from it 3) was not Ukraine in NATO

>>2149479
This.

It's funny how these Europeons get all mad when a stronger, "whiter" nation comes and treats them just like they've been treating people of colour throughout the centuries past.

>>2149449
>Nice fantasy real life is not a video game. Hitler didn't want to take over the world that's a ridiculous meme.
Nevertheless, the Nazi administration had lied before and threatened the balance of power in Europe. They did not have the benefit of hindsight and like you said life is not a computer game, they should not wait their turn to 1v1 like antagonists in fighting game singleplayer.

Britain and France had been desperately avoiding war, France having thrown Czechoslovakia under the bus for peace, but would have felt they had no choice but to defend their ally Poland.

Not also declaring against the USSR would have been a hard choice but a pragmatic one, not doing so would at least give the Allies a better chance of achieving their goals. Even as spent as they were Churchill ordered the Joint Planning Staff to consider a drive against the USSR to ensure a fair deal for Poland at the cessation of hostilities in Europe but it was deemed almost impossible with the huge weight of Soviet troops in Europe.

>>2149483
Your point being?

>>2149469

That's my point the common defence pact was Britain intentionally setting the stage for WW2

It means Britain is ultimatelly responsible for WW2

>>2149490
That the Germans were as aggressive as the Mongols and were going to keep on conquering until they were stopped (and that's where glorious Britain, France and Russia came in)

By the end of WWI:

>Austria-Hungary got its Empire completely dismantled
>Russia lost massive amounts of land in the west, precisely where its agriculture flourished the most
>Ottoman Empire ceased to exist, Turks lost control over the middle east
>Bulgaria lost access to the Aegean sea

>Germany retained the core of its Empire, industry and military
>they didn't even pay 1/8th of the debt

the Versailles treaty was too soft. Germany should have been dismembered into 3 or so independent states (each centered around Munich, Berlin and Hanover) and WWII would have never happened.

>>2149494
>glorious Britain, France and Russia
Only Russia was a real contender here. France was humiliated and Britain spent most of the war hiding on their Island. Not to mention that you're forgetting America here, the real winner of WW2.

>>2149492
>it's not germany's fault it can't stop invading countries when britain better aligns itself with close ally france's interests

>>2149492

>they intentionally set it up knowing Germany would ignore their agreement and invade Poland no matter what treaties they signed

Still not seeing how that makes Britain the untrustworthy ones.

>>2149498

>implying Russia didn't spend just as long hiding behind their empty steppes.

>>2149485
>was against international law

Then let the League of Nations take care of this. British war mongering and setting traps to trigger WW2 was a terrible idea

>good morals

Em British Empire...

>Thats a terrible comparism

Not really during the Crimea operation countless pundits in Europe and across the Atlantic made this exact same comparison.

>>2149495
Who would have defended Europe from the threat of Communism? The laughable armies of Britain and France?

>>2149505
are you for real? The soviets were defeated by Poland in 1921. If it wasn't for the Nazis and western funding of their military the communists would never get that far.

>>2149488

Germany was a hegemonical power in central Europe they could do whatever it wanted. I don't like it but this is how the world worked in the 1930s.

As I said above what if Germany declared war on Britain every time there were some minor border changes in colonial Africa?

>>2149504
>Then let the League of Nations take care of this

Lol, good one.

>>2149513

>in colonial Africa

>>2149511
>The soviets were defeated by Poland in 1921.
This was before the Soviets were able to fully manifest their industrial capacity.

>>2149504
>Then let the League of Nations take care of this. British war mongering and setting traps to trigger WW2 was a terrible idea
wew, so when I take a knife, attack someone and someone will come to his defense; the defender is the violent one? Thats some heavy Deutshe morals you got there lad

>Em British Empire...
irrelevant, not to mention British empire could barely compare with the barbarity of Nazis

>Not really during the Crimea operation countless pundits in Europe and across the Atlantic made this exact same comparison
That was just propaganda you silly, countless pundits across the Atlantic can not be taken seriously if they demanded nuclear retaliation against the conquest of Crimea.

>>2149513
>Germany was a hegemonical power in central Europe they could do whatever it wanted.
If the only rule then is might makes right then there is no problem with events as they unfolded.

>>2149505
Yes, Germany destroying the liberal democracies of Europe really helped defend against communism (incidentally, the communists never, during the entire history of the Soviet Union, waged a war on Europe, unlike the Nazis)

>>2149504
>Defensive allianes to stop German warmongering is considered warmongering
wew
>Em British Empire...
Literally did nothing morally wrong. The Germans in their pathetic Namibia killed more people than we did across our entire reach (no, natural disasters like famine and disease don't count). Also, it's always funny to see a stormfag try to take the moral highground.


>>2149513
>colonial africa is equivalent to central europe

>>2149525
>British empire could barely compare with the barbarity of Nazis
Lindybeige, pls.

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>>2149527
>the communists never, during the entire history of the Soviet Union, waged a war on Europe
They militarily occupied half of Europe.

>>2149400
>a World War
>but only in Europe
>>2149394
Surprisingly good post.

>>2149528
wew, you learned the memes good boy

>this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ztOV2wrrkY

>>2149527
>incidentally, the communists never, during the entire history of the Soviet Union, waged a war on Europe

Uprising of 1953 in East Germany
Prague Spring
Hungarian Revolution of 1956

>>2149527
>Literally did nothing morally wrong.
Come to South Africa and have a talk with the Boers there to hear their opinion on the matter.

>The Germans in their pathetic Namibia killed more people than we did across our entire reach
Isn't Namibia one of the few African countries that isn't complete shit?

>>2149467
>Germany repsected the neutrality of countries to some extent.
What?

> In the meantime the allies were one step from invading Norway made plans to invade neutral Sweden invaded Iceland etc.
So basically what you're saying is
>Germany violently invades/annexes all these neutral countries who just wanted to be left alone
>Allies made plans to invade several countries and are therefore worse
???

>>2149535

ITT people who went to prison for years I order to support Nazi Germany?

>>2149537
>They militarily occupied half of Europe.
....after the nazis killed tens of millions of their people and their country was nearly destroyed.

Was it right? Probably not but they had reason to want a buffer zone after ww2

>>2149545
Keeping control in countries already under their control isn't the same as deliberately drawing France and Britain and America into a world war

>>2149546
Boers did more wrong than us so I don't care what they have to say

>Isn't Namibia one of the few African countries that isn't complete shit?
Yep, because it was incorporated into South Africa for decades. It certainly wasn't due to the helping hands of the Germans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_genocide

>>2149554
>....after the nazis killed tens of millions of their people and their country was nearly destroyed.
Which somehow gave them the right to occupy half of Europe - countries who had millions of their people killed in the war as well?

>Was it right? Probably not but they had reason to want a buffer zone after ww2
Under the same premise you can justify literally any kind of Nazi occupation.

>>2149559
>Under the same premise you can justify literally any kind of Nazi occupation.
No, you can't because the Nazis were the ones who started the war of aggression. Also, the Russians didn't plan to replace the native population of these countries with Russians. They didn't have a Generalplan Ost

>>2149554
>It certainly wasn't due to the helping hands of the Germans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_genocide
Getting rid of troublemakers improves a country. How do you know it's not BECAUSE of the genocide that the country is better off today?

>>2149390
>Britain and France declare war on Germany in support of their ally Poland whom the Germans invaded
>Britain and France are the aggressors
Naziboo logic?

>>2149562
>No, you can't because the Nazis were the ones who started the war of aggression.
How do you explain Russia attacking Poland then? Not to mention that they somehow ended up in charge of these countries, didn't they?

>Also, the Russians didn't plan to replace the native population of these countries with Russians. They didn't have a Generalplan Ost
And yet they ended up killing even more than the Nazis ever did.

>>2149578
>How do you explain Russia attacking Poland then?

A war of aggression, but they didn't do the same to the rest of Europe like Germany

>And yet they ended up killing even more than the Nazis ever did.
They killed their own people by famine. If you are really trying to suggest they killed more people in their occupied countries than Germany did you are historically illiterate

>>2149505
Remind me how spread was communism before the Second German Chimpout?
And after it?

We did it Patrick! We saved the world from communism!!

>>2149583
>but they didn't do the same to the rest of Europe like Germany
Because Germany stood against them, leading us back to >>2149505.

>>2149587
There is no evidence at all that Russia had serious plans to invade europe
>inbefore muh Icebreaker
That book has been discredited

>>2149586
What tells you that Communism wouldn't have spread without German intervention? I maintain that it would have spread even worse, because without the German army to stand in the way of Communism it would have taken all of Europe.

>>2149593
>There is no evidence at all that Russia had serious plans to invade europe
They would have with absolute certainty taken over Eastern Europe, and with no Germany in their way there's no reason for them to stop there.

>>2149390
>autist nazis start invading europe
>"OMG WHY DID YOU DECLARE WAR ON US REEEEE"
Fuck off already, Germany started both WW, and got BTFO in both. You should be happy "Germany" hasn't been partitioned or turned into a nuclear wasteland.

>>2149600
>They would have with absolute certainty taken over Eastern Europe, and with no Germany in their way there's no reason for them to stop there.
[citation needed]

Also, Germany's autism led to the soviets occuping half of Europe. Some saviors the germans are

>>2149604
Why would they not take over Eastern Europe? And what would keep them from stopping there? They had no calms attacking Poland and Russia has always been a colonial Empire. The geo-strategic conditions don't change just because Communists are in charge. The Balkans, the Black Sea, all that remains interesting.

>>2149601
And yet Germany is the most important nation in Europe again. Was it only a matter of time?

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WWI
>Germany declares war on Russia because they were mobilizing
>No it's Russia's fault for even daring to mobilize, they were provoking them
>Germany declares war on France in spite of the French withdrawing all troops six miles from the German border because they won't hand over two of their cities to show they didn't want to fight
>No it's France fault, they clearly wanted war
>Germany declares war on Belgium, which wasn't even involved in the first place and just happened to be the easiest way into France because France trusted the neutrality of its neighbor
>No it's okay what is national sovereignty, it's everyone's fault, everyone wanted to go to war

WWII
>Britain and France declare war on Germany because Germany has already mobilized and declared war on Poland
>wtf perfidious albion strikes again, Britain and France caused World War 2

Germans, everyone.

>>2149619
>Why would they not take over Eastern Europe?
Because they knew that Italy, France, Britain, Japan and America would ally agains them if they did.

Also, you unironically use this argument yet believe we were wrong to go to war with Germany over their aggressive expansion.

Amazing

>>2149624
>No it's Russia's fault for even daring to mobilize, they were provoking them
It's true though, isn't it?

If you mobilise your army after threatening your neighbour with war you shouldn't be surprised that when he asks you to stop and you don't answer he declares war on you.

>>2149631
>If you mobilise your army after threatening your neighbour with war
Germany skipped the threaten part and went straight to going to war with Poland. If Russia is at fault in World War I than Germany sure is at fault in World War II.

>>2149625
>Italy, France, Britain, Japan and America would ally agains them if they did.
And what are these supposed to do? America is far away. Britain, France and Italy are a joke. Japan has Imperial ambitions elsewhere.

>>2149634
Who said Germany isn't? I'm not the one arguing this. People who argue that Germany is not at fault for the outbreak of WW2 are trolls who are arguing for the purpose of arguing. They're not actually serious.

>>2149639
You seem to be vastly over-estimating the strength of Russia

>>2149643
They were weak when WW2 broke out, but their industrial potential and manpower was massive. And without a strong Germany in the centre of Europe I see nobody to keep them from taking over.

>>2149426
What's the 22nd?

>>2149646
And If ww2 didn't break out then British India would have industrialised faster and Britain would have more industrial power and mapower

>>2149639
>>2149646
This is Russia 1939 we're talking about. Not the one that rebuilt its military from the ground up in the face of an existential crisis in 1942, the one that saw little military success in Finland and was still saddled with politicians dressed as generals.

It was partially the threat of Anglo-French involvement that led the Soviets to even re-recognize the Finnish government and agree to negotiations in the first place. The Soviets would not have been an existential threat to Europe for at least half a decade.

And while you are correct to their industrial potential and manpower reserve, it is far more difficult to leverage them in an offensive war than a defensive one. The Ukrainians welcomed the Germans until they realized that they were going to treat them no better than the Soviets, and the same could be said for much of the Eastern Europeans. An offensive war by the Soviet Union against central Europe would not have had the ideological convictions that a fight for survival could muster.

>>2149486
"""german""" rapefugee detected
Why did the nazicucks get buttblasted when they got invaded in response to their invasions?

I know it's bait desu

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>>2149646
You overestimate Soviet Industrial power. The USSR's industrial power was impressive, but it was helped by the fact that it was fighting a single front war (the invasion of Japanese Manchuria came well after VJ day) and Western Aid, against a nation that was fighting on 2-3 fronts, depending on whether Italy and France are considered separate.

Soviet production never came remotely close to what the Western allies had to offer, and if the Soviets did invade central Europe you can be sure that the United States would be trying to make as much money it could off Western Europe in cash-and-carry/lend-lease.

>>2149680
*came well after VE day, don't know why I said VJ day.

>>2149661
Not nearly comparable to Russia. Not to mention that Britain is a sea power. They don't play in the same league as Germany or Russia on land.

>>2149662
It was only a matter of time until the Soviet Union would fully realise their industrial capacity. Even if WW2 wouldn't have broken out they would have eventually reached it. And without Germany as a bulwark against Communism Europe would have fallen.

>>2149687
see >>2149680
Its full industrial capacity was insufficient against the major western powers, nevermind smaller but industrialized nations of the time such as Czechoslovakia, Poland and Sweden.

>>2149689
It would have been more than enough against a fractured continental Europe.

>>2149693
>Fractured
Britain and France were not fractured, and that would be all that would be necessary with American assistance.

>>2149390
world war 2 was basically a continuation of world war 1 with a longer ceasefire. The allies thought that cutting up Germany would just fly okay with them and Germany would never try to do anything about it once they got back on their feet again.

Ironically, Germany's defeat of France was the greatest boon for the allies because its stunning success encouraged him to invade the USSR which ultimately proved to be his downfall.

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>>2149390
Perfidious Albion declared war because Hitler was chimping out all over Europe. They should've put that autist down sooner if you ask me.

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>>2149425
>Germany has no right
STOP APPEALING TO RIGHTS VIOLATIONS AS THE REASON BRITAIN WAS "FORCED" INTO WAR
we have just demonstrated here: >>2149424
>Then stop the hypocrisy that Britain was serving a higher moral goal to defend Poland and the rights of people to self determination from annihilation because it's laughable
and admitted here:
>>2149417
>The notion that a nation-state isn't entirely justified in intervening to protect its interests
>justified in intervening to protect its interests
>its interests
>ITS [BRITIAN'S] INTERESTS

OP is right that britain started World War II out of self interest. germany didn't antagonize anyone because britain couldn't give a shit about poles rights, or any other continental europeans' rights, for that matter.

>>2149850
Germany was the aggressor in the war, Germany started the war.

I don't care if Britain was acting self interestedly. The opening act of the war was Germany's invasion of its neighbors. Hitler knew Britain was diplomatically obligated to defend Poland, but he attacked anyway. At that moment what he essentially did was declare war on Britain.

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>>2149390

Britain and France declared war after Germany declared war on Poland.

why do stormfags ignore this?

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>>2149892
Judea declared war after Germany declared war on the bankers.
why do redditors ignore this?

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>>2149897

>posting some shitty eye catching headline as if it means anything

>outright lying about it being "banks" being the one behind it

>being so retarded that you try to paint a boycott by a group of people, not a country, as an act of war

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OMG WHAT ABOUT EISENHOWERS DEATH CAMP THAT KILLED 1 MILLION INNOCENT GERMAN CIVILIANS?!

Except that the camp housed exclusively soldiers who were all held there because of Allied fears of werwolf attacks. And there were 1 million inmates, so the idea that literally every single one of them died is retarded. highest death estimates are 3,000~10,000

and the ONLY source for these claims is one book called "Other Losses" written by philosophy major and fictional novelist James Bacque. Stephen Ambrose was highly critical of the work. There was also the New Orleans Panel, in which a panel of 8 historians met in 1990 to review the book and all concluded that it was bullshit

> "Other Losses is seriously—nay, spectacularly—flawed in its most fundamental aspects."


Mr. Bacque is wrong on every major charge and nearly all his minor ones. Eisenhower was not a Hitler, he did not run death camps, German prisoners did not die by the hundreds of thousands, there was a severe food shortage in 1945, there was nothing sinister or secret about the "disarmed enemy forces" designation or about the column "other losses." Mr. Bacque's "missing million" were old men and young boys in the Volkssturm (People's Militia) released without formal discharge and transfers of POWs to other allies control areas. Maj. Ruediger Overmans of the German Office of Military History in Freiburg who wrote the final volume of the official German history of the war estimated that the total death by all causes of German prisoners in American hands could not have been greater than 56,000 approximately 1% of the over 5,000,000 German POWs in Allied hands exclusive of the Soviets.

http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/11/22/specials/ambrose-atrocities.html


tl;dr-stormfags propagate bullshit meme history and lies in order to further their narrative and are dishonest scumbags with no credibility

>>2149468
>Of course not. Now, if Russia took the Baltics, Central Asia, all of Ukraine and Poland back then NATO would be justified in attacking

This baffles me. I assume you are considering the danger to the balance of power to be the justification in this situation.

>>2149394
That is an Asian war
The declaration of war on Germany by France and Britain made it a world war - having world spanning empires and shifting the focus from an asiatic one to a global one

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>>2149971
>stormfags

Who are you responding to?

>>2150018

Im preemptively blowing retarded stormfag memes out before they even have a chance to post them

Let's be honest here. Germany in WW2 were the bad guys and deserved everything that happened.

They completely stepped on any self determination other countries had purely because they were weaker and they wanted their clay. They genocides people of many races. They are responsible for spread of communism thanks to their failed bloodthirsty philosophy supposedly being the counter weight to it. They even backstabbed Poland which was anti commie and then split it with fucking Soviets.

At this point Germans are complaining because they might've been a real evil empire but the world didn't have the right to punish them because nuh uh you should look the other way when we're genociding your friends until we come for you.

>>2150025
>Germany in WW2 were the bad guys and deserved everything that happened.
I still can't help but feel bad for German civilians.

>>2149390
They could have stopped the war in Europe had they acted in 1936 in the Rhineland and Spain.
Heck they should have acted as soon as Germany started ramping up the rearmament which was a clear violation of the treaty.

>>2149897

I bet you think the war on poverty involves shooting poor people too.

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>>2149405
rate

>>2150043
If they were übermensch they would have left the country before shit hit the fan.

History is written by the victors ;) But Germany also had agresive politics. Grüß Gott aus Deutschland :D

>>2149426
T-TWO WRONGS MAKE A RIGHT! The ultimate argument that somehow makes it ok for a European country to invade another. Fuck off retard.

tu quoque: the thread

Nazis or better said German National Socialists had a tribe classing if we can call it that way.
The reason why they thought Germans were übermensch is because Germans got used to work-work alot. In that familly of übermensch were also Brits and Nordic nations (Norway,Sweden,Finland,Denemark and i cant remember all of them)
Mittle class were Italians,French and Spains. Due to this reason Benito Musolini (aka Il Duce) and Hitler had a a lot of rough times. They were more relaxed and liked work equal as "good day off". The bottom class were Slavs, they were more into drinking, having sex, relaxing and not doing something and didnt prefer to work. That included Polaks,Slovaks,Checs,Slovenians,Croats,Bosnians,Serbs,Russians etc
Also, Croat nationalist leader became good with Germans so croats had some use from that "friendship" they got supported by Germany and had their own Fascist state. Also bosnians with Muslim majority had use feom Islam cuz Himmler saw potential in theyre fanatism and made some muslim brigades specialised for mountain-guerilla-hunting warfare. They were excluded from onslaught, but Serbs (kebab remuverz) werent so lucky :D
Its true that Germany had agresive politics, but so did have every empire.
Brits,belgians,frenchs,spanish conquistadors etc.
With all that mentioned, we have to say that Hitler was not too smart and opened lot of confrontation lines on many sides of his new Empire.


Third Germany did some horrible things, but Germany wasnt only one to do them.
Peace and sorry for bad English if i made some mistakes :)

>>2149390
Germany, the League of Nations is trying to prevent another world war
>lol
Germany don't invade the Sudetenland
>lol
Germany don't invade Czechoslovakia
>lol
Germany, if you invade Poland we're going to war
>lol

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>punch a kid over a misunderstanding
>proceed to take his lunch money and milk
>get told off by teacher and told to give back lunch money and buy him back a new milk. We have a 0 tolerance on bullying here
>after school punch the kid again for getting you in trouble
>he comes back the next day with his older cousins to kick the shit out of you
>"y-you started it! I can punch whoever I want, this is all your fault!"

>>2150233

Germans really are the niggers of Europe

>>2150258

nazism is the most niggerish ideology ever.

>>2150096
Acknowledge the oc you cunts

>>2149449
This is the most obvious bait i have ever seen inmy life pls stop posting.

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>>2150096

0/10

>>2150320
I'll take it

>>2149426
>Britain invaded RUSSIA
>MEXICO
>UAE
>QATAR
>GREENLAND
>ANON CLAIMS BRITISH INVADED FUCKING GREENLAND

>>2149467
>Germany repsected the neutrality of countries to some extent.

>invades Denmark
>invades Nederlands
>invades Norway
>invades Czechland
>invades Yugoslavia
>invades Italy in 1943

American education

>>2150487

Britain did invade Russia.

>>2150500
enlighten me on the occurrence anon, because if it's the Crimean war that's false and if the sending of divisions to help the White Russians then that also doesn't conclude to invasion

>>2150507

>sending soldiers into a hostile country, with the express purpose of fighting and defeating the enemy, isn't an invasion

>>2150487
It did invade Mexico alongside France in tube 1860's and then proceeded to Fuck off once it realized France was trying to install Maxi-boy on a throne.

>>2149408
The Brits baited Poland into alliance with them so that Hitler would attack them instead of France. That's why they both didn't do shit to help them. Hitler wasn't planning on attacking Poland until April 1939.

>>2150517
>pedantic

Luckily not a single historian would agree with you, such irreverent and superficial nonsense only affects you millennials

>>2150529
kek

>>2150530

By what standard then are you using to claim that it's not an invasion?

>>2150283
im not even prejudice and nazism is niggerish

>>2150536
I see nothing funny about this. Don't care for the eternal Anglo meme. Opportunism and disregard for allies is horrible but practical.

>>2149412
So basically you cannot ally with other people? Why did Hitler declare war on America then if America didn't attack Gernany first?

>>2149412
>It's not like it had enslaved millions of people through its vast empire.

it really isnt. britain was by far the most liberal of the european empires

>>2149390
because they werent, the germans were, they had been warned that they must cease attacking their neighbours they ignored their warnings

>>2149897
>Daily Express
The Daily Express was shit 80 years and is still shit today

>>2149697
Both Britain and France are significantly weaker than Germany.