Why don't we know him as Timur the Great rather than Timur

Timur Lenk (the lame) was his actual name.

>>2125076
>threatened the Ming Dynasty
He only did it because Yongle Era Emperor sent him a letter demanding tribute. Was not really a threat to the Dynasty, only the Mongolian buffer states.

>>2125203
He was in the middle of planing an invasion to china when he died

>>2125076
lame=crippled

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RIP in peace

Biggest military leader ever lived

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>>2125209
The Ming also built fortresses on their western frontier to deal with him, so I'm assuming they saw him as a real threat.

If he burned delhi to the ground, how come the qutub minar still exists?

>>2125401
If the anglos burned the white house how come it still exists?

>>2125076

>the great

>the lame

is there anyone in history whos known as something like, "the faggot?"

>>2125400
>so I'm assuming they saw him as a real threat.
Jiayuguan was built in 1372,30 years prior to his campaign.

Going by logistics alone the campaign would have been a failure.

>>2125493
the qutub minar wasn't burned down though retard.
He sacked delhi because the sultanate was a memetic disgrace.

>>2125832
>Going by logistics alone the campaign would have been a failure.

Why do you think that? The mongols went from Karakorum into Europe.

>tamurlane
>heaven

top kek

>>2125878
>Why do you think that? The mongols went from Karakorum into Europe.
Timur would have to seize the disparate Tarim Basin polities,fend off the Oirats and somehow manage to unite the disparate Khalkhas.

The Ming was at the heights of its power,Timur has a snowball's chance in hell to succeed(Essen Taishi couldn't even breach the walls of Beijing).

>>2126060

They would attack from 2 fronts - Timur from the West and the mongols from the North.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engke_Khan

>According to Mongolian historian J.Bor, Engke made an alliance with Timur against the Ming dynasty. An envoy of his met Engke for preparations all the way to China for his master's conquest. But Timur died while he was marching into China in 1405.

>>2126060
>Timur would have to seize the disparate Tarim Basin polities,fend off the Oirats and somehow manage to unite the disparate Khalkhas.

For someone who took on the Nomads of Iran and Anatolia and united everyone else, that hardly seems like a challenge.

>>2125641
John "The Faggot" Green

>>2125076
He tried to be a new Ghengis Khan and while he was great, he wasnt as great as Ghengis. His own fault really, trying to live up to the memory of someone larger than life.

>>2127794
The problem was more that he didn't have good subordinates in abundance as Genghis had. Genghis had most of the work done for him by Subotai and co.

>>2125076
why don't we know him as ivar the conquerer instead of ivar the boneless...?

LIterally it's just being crippled and conquering shit is a more distinctive set of characteristics than just conquering shit, which happens relatively frequently

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>>2125209
Because of Yongle. Before Timur died he commanded his army to continue his invasion of Ming. The army just noped and went back, his desire to attack Ming seems more of a personal reason than anthing else.
Timur might have been a real threat to the China, but Yongle certantly didn't think. Maybe because of arrogance.

>>2126687
Ming had nomadic protectorates too. And attacking form the north would literally be useless.
>Invade Ming from North
>Great Wall
Fug :DD

Too bad Timur died of illness tho, i would like to see how Yongle would deal with the invasion.

>>2126687
>They would attack from 2 fronts - Timur from the West and the mongols from the North.
Do you really think it's feasible to maintain a supply line through the Taklamakan desert or the Oirat territory(who Timur would have to subdue).

>mongols from the North.
A rump state that was repeatedly subject to Ming/Oirat invasions. The Ming had Mongol allies of their own namely the Uriankhai.

>For someone who took on the Nomads of Iran and Anatolia and united everyone else, that hardly seems like a challenge.
Despite his victories,he could never fully conquer the Chagatai Khantate,the distance from Samarkand to Gansu is simply too vast and too perilous for Timur to conquer the Ming in one invasion.

The early Ming is nowhere comparable to the Jin(Which still took the Mongols 23 years to conquer).

>>2125076
The "lame" referred to a limp he had.