How true is the "stab in the back" theory? Wikipedia

>>2107881

Jews served in the army at higher rates than the general population. And there was major civil unrest in all the major powers. You'll notice it was Russia that broke first, and they were on the opposite side.

>>2107881
It's all a myth. Communists and Jews didn't even start this revolution.

>>2107881
That Jew is lowkey stacked

>>2107881
>the jews and communists that organised the strikes
Stop trusting /pol/ memes.

Germany crapped out a few months before France would have. If France had lost, they'd have the same myth.

Heck, the war that the stab in the back myth is most applied to is the Vietnam war. It's just something bellicose powers say when they lose, especially when they couldn't really justify a war in the first place.

>>2107881

Other countries had collapsed from major civil unrest, most of Germany's other allies had already capitulated and the Spring Offensive, which was German High Commands last real attempt at actually trying to win the war, had been a failure.

>>2107902
>If France had lost, they'd have the same myth.

That actually happened during the Fall of France

>>2107881
It's a myth.

However, it's not surprising that soldiers - and even officers - bought into it, because at a tactical scale Germany was holding out reasonably well. If you had handed Germany resources, then they could have kept going for quite a while. Germany wasn't beaten at a tactical scale, Germany was beaten at a strategic scale. And that scale is too large to be perceptible to the individual soldier. Germany would have been tactically beaten too past that point, but the people in charge were smart enough to realise that and avoided further deaths and possibly suffering the same fate as the leadership in Russia due to domestic uprisings.

>>2107898
that's a necklace, not cleavage.

>>2107881
Socialists and Communists agitating the populace and leading work stoppages in a deliberate (and successful) attempt to sabotage the Imperial German war effort is historical fact.
Additionally it is also a matter of historical fact that the vast majority of the German Socialist leaders of the time were Jews.

I hold that Imperial Germany was 'stabbed in the back', but by Socialists that just happened to be Jews.
Rather then the more common anti-semitic view that it was 'stabbed in the back' by Jews that just happened to be Socialists.

>>2107904
yeah but what would have happened if versailles had not been signed? I doubt the western allies could have successfully mounted an invasion of Germany, not without many more years and losses, which I doubt they were willing to give. The new government was determined to sign a peace treaty with really shitty terms, if they had held out longer maybe they could have gotten a more neutral or favourable armistice. Germans had already agreed to Wilson's fourteen points, but the French wanted to be assholes towards Germany.

>>2107908
>French Jews forced France to surrender to Nazi Germany
how do people come up with this shit seriously?

>>2107916
Everything you said is wrong. Please name all those Jewish socialist leaders.

>>2107913
looks like tits to me.

>>2107908

The myth, or you think France was actually stabbed in the back?

It is true that right wing elements were interested in treating with the Germans.

>>2107919
people love passing the buck.

>>2107918
You don't understand anything. The treaty was signed six months after the armistice. There wasn't any war when it happened.

>>2107919
>>2107922
I meant a similar phenomenon happened after the defeat of France in 1940

This is from Julian Jackson's Fall of France, 2004:
"Within France the search for scapegoats began at once. The immediate aftermath of defeat saw the emergence of a whole literature of accusation and self-flagellation with titles such as The Gravediggers of France (by André
Géraud), J’Accuse! The Men Who Betrayed France (by André Simon), The Truth about France (by Louis Lévy). One book, published in 1941, was even entitled Dieu a-t-il puni la France? [Has God Punished France?]. The answer was, of course, yes. Depending on ideological preference, people blamed politicians or generals, Communist agitators or Fascist fifth columnists, school-teachers or industrialists, the middle classes or the working classes. They blamed individualism, materialism, feminism, alcoholism, dénatalité,
dechristianization, the break-up of the family, the decline of patriotism, treason, malthusianism, immoral literature"

>>2107916
Rebelling against a government that had thrown millions of your countrymen into the meatgrinder isnt "stabbing in the back" any more than the Tzar being disposed.

>>2107938

It is from the perspective of reactionaries and revanchists.

>>2107940
It's funny how they never mention Kiel mutiny - the event that started it all.

>>2107937

And after the war, they started mythicizing the resistance as a huge thing, while hysterically scapegoating "collaborators".

The French have one hell of an inferiority complex.

>>2107937
This sort of phenomenon follows abject defeat anywhere (you should see some of the Japanese post-war literature, try Takeuchi Yoshimi's What is Modernity?, it's a riot) but only the ones blaming Communist agitators and Fifth Columnists really qualify as stab-in-the-back theories.

>Anti-semetic army officials insist on a jewish census to prove jewish draft dodging
>Cencus actually proves a high level of enlistment
>Never publish the findings to the public
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judenz%C3%A4hlung

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>>2107881
The "Stab in the back" narrative was complete bullshit scapegoating. The German population was starving, their armies had been defeated, and their last gasp of an offensive to try and end the war before the Americans could arrive in force failed. They had already been pushed back behind the Hindenburg Line, and the Entente had largely stopped any major offensives to prepare in force for the Summer 1919 Offensives, which would have been spearheaded by the fresh American Army in force. Germany had no hope to win the war by 1918, and they had no way to stop the Entente in the coming year, to say nothing of the Italian Army about to send ITS millions through Austria into Bavaria. In the face of all that, and a Bushido-esque plan to have the HSF sally to go "Die with honor", the German Navy mutinied and kicked off the whole revolution.

In short, anyone who tries to say that Germany could have won WW1 but for perfidious Jewry is either incredibly ignorant about the situation in Germany in 1918 or intentionally dishonest.

>>2107881
Partially true. Germany had lost the war in 1918. France and Britain had successfully withstood the Spring offensive, which was Germany's last real hope for victory. German resistance had near collapsed during the hundred days offensive. However, they still held a sizeable chunk of French territory, and the allies had failed to pursue them quickly enough to break them entirely, meaning that they still had armies capable of operating effectively on the western front. With the arrival of ever more American troops on the continent, Germany's defeat was a foregone conclusion.

However, it still would have taken many more months of fighting if Germany hadn't agreed to the armistice and accepted the peace treaty.

The eventual peace treaty had worse terms than Germany had been expecting when they agreed to the armistice, but they accepted it because social unrest was becoming increasingly bad in Germany, and the spectre of the Russian revolution loomed over the German government. Maybe the Germans wouldn't have tried to renegotiate on the threat of calling of the armistice, risking sacrificing more of their soldiers in order to wring a few concessions out of the allies, but then again they'd hardly baulked at shedding German blood so far. What really scared them was the prospect of a revolution - which communists were definitely working to bring about - which would see them ending up in front of a firing squad like the Tsar and his family.

So maybe if the situation back home had been more stable, the German negotiators at Versailles would have felt more comfortable trying to leverage what few advantages they had left (their continuing occupation of French land, for example) to achieve something better than the abject humiliation they received. But that's as much truth as the stab in the back theory has.

>>2107902
>the war that the stab in the back myth is most applied to is the Vietnam war
>implying it's a myth that the liberal media lost the war for the US.

>start losing war badly
>your people rise up because you've completely fucked everything
>finalize the peace treaty while your people are still rebelling
>your successors blame them for rebelling against you instead of you for fucking everything up
Willy played everyone

>>2107881
Pushers of the myth on here, or at least the """"info""""graphics they spam, tend to firstly overstate the influence of Jews; not only deliberately conflating the Spartacist uprising and the Novemberrevolution in order to increase the pool of important Jews, but also downplaying the influence of key non-Jewish participants or simply fabricating a Jewish ancestry for them, for example Karl Liebknecht. Secondly, they vastly understate the significance of the naval mutinies, both in themselves and also the key role that the naval mutinies had in fomenting widespread civil unrest.

I have posted previously in one of the many re-runs of this thread concerning the timeline of the end of the war from late September, when the OHL impressed upon the civilian government the desperate need to surrender, to the forced abdication of Wilhelm and surrender. With the further reading I have done I would be much more damning towards the OHL, Hindenburg and Ludendorff, who seemed to great lengths to distance themselves from the peace process, seemingly in order to survive the war with dignity and reputations intact.

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>>2107920

Members of the German Spartakusbund:

Karl Liebknecht German(?)
Rosa Luxemburg JEW
Clara Zetkin JEW
Leo Jogiches JEW
Paul Levi JEW
Ernst Toller JEW
Eugene Levine JEW
Kurt Eisner JEW
Gustav Landauer JEW
Erich Muehsam JEW

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>>2108354
>Spartakusbund

Ah, the old "Spartacists were responsible for the whole German Revolution" meme. You do know that the Sparacists weren't rebelling against the Kaiser, but against the republican revolutionary government that had just disposed the Kaiser, right?

>>2107881
Why did you remove the Ben Garrisson watermark?

>>2107919
Don't have to always be the kikes
The 1940 French stab in the back myth is about commies (since they loved the Nazis until 1942 due to the German-Soviet pact)

>>2108380

They were rebelling against the social democrats under the influence of the Judeobolsheviks. Your point is irrelevant

>>2107893
>Communists didn't started the communist revolution
Come on, I know we can't blame the Jews for everything, but you take it way too far.

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>>2108403
>Judeobolsheviks
pic related
>rest of the post
So...they weren't affecting the war effort at all, then? Since the war was over?

>>2107919
Not Jews but commies.

You see, back then the USSR was an ally of the Nazi Germany, so the French Communist Party told the communists to sabotage the war effort.

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>>2108406
It's true, though. The German Revolution was started spontaneously by the High Seas Fleet in Kiel as a reaction to finding out their admirals were going to willingly go off and get the navy sunk to preserve their honor.

>>2108408

Nice fake image

>Five of the seven members of the first Soviet politburo were Jewish

Vladimir Lenin - jew
Leon Trotsky (Lev Davidovich Bronstein) - jew
Grigory Zinoviev - jew
Lev Kamenev - jew
Joseph Stalin - sandnigger
Grigori Sokolnikov - jew
Andrei Bubnov - Russian

The point is that there was massive jewish socialist agitation against the war effort.

>>2108430
The fuck there was, the Jews actually had a voluntary enlistment rate of like 80%. The Jews had backed the Great War en masse.

>>2108235
You're a deluded Germanboo
By November 11, the Germans had basically been expelled from pre-war French territory
The only part of French soil they still controlled was Alsace Lorraine and they'd have lost it in the negociation anyway

>>2107891
>Jews served in the army at higher rates than the general population
No. But they volunteered more than regular germans.

>>2108430
>Lenin - ONE Jewish GRANDMOTHER
>Rabidly atheist

>Trotsky
>Renounced Faith publicly
>Assisted in the creation of the League of the Militant Godless.

Wil /pol/tards please fuck off.

>>2108466

They can't. Rmemeber, they actually subscribe to the Nazi ideas. Judaism is a race, a bloodline, that somehow gives you instinctive traits. You can't "renounce" judaism. Having a Jew ancestor means you're a Jew.

>>2108466
>Jewishness is an ethnicity not just a religion :^)

just going to save the time and post that for them because you know they're going to argue it in full seriousness.

>>2107900
Good goyim

>>2108354
These aren't the leaders of revolution.

Here are the real leaders:
Friedrich Ebert
Philipp Scheidemann
Gustav Noske

They are also responsible for putting down the spartacist revolt.

>>2108235
>implying it's a myth that the liberal media lost the war for the US
alright anon, convince me that the US could have won the Vietnam war if not for "the liberal media"

While you're at it explain to me what winning actually means, because the US government never did.

>>2107881

what even is the myth in the first place? How did they believe jews stabbed Germany in the back?

>>2108713

The usual incarnation is that the German army was never defeated, and were still sitting in parts of France and Belgium, not pre-war territory. It was only the loss on the homefront, fomented by Jews, that cost Germany the war.

>>2108430
rykov, tomsky and bukharin were non-jews on the politburo. Solonikov was only on the politburo for two years. You're either misleading or deluded

>>2107937
>Depending on ideological preference, people blamed politicians or generals, Communist agitators or Fascist fifth columnists, school-teachers or industrialists, the middle classes or the working classes. They blamed individualism, materialism, feminism, alcoholism, dénatalité,
>dechristianization, the break-up of the family, the decline of patriotism, treason, malthusianism, immoral literature"

Sounds like a certain 4chan board

>>2108430

Lenin wasnt jewish. Why do faggots keep saying this?

>>2108354

Rosa Luxemburg was actually against the revolution and the only person who actually wanted it was Liebbknecht, a goy.

you should try reading the wikipedia article instead of just look at the little breakdown of the event in the upper right hand corner

>>2108736
i realize you say first politburo, in which case you're right

>>2108466
being a jew is an ethnicity

>>2108354
Clara Zetkin wasn't Jewish, and most of those people you listed were irrelevant literally whos? Liebknecht and Luxembourg were the main leaders. Also leaves out important non-Jewish leaders like Wilhelm Pieck, August Thalheimer, and Franz Mehring.

>>2108744

Not to mention that without Lenin, Germany's WW1 position would have been way worse than it was; the October Revolution and the rumbles leading up to it really did a number on Russia, the defeat of whom gave the Germans a new chance.

>>2108744
Yeah, he only had one Jewish grandparent. Even under the Nuremberg laws that would not make him Jewish

>>2107881
At least the germans got their wish in the next world war

>>2108354
like pottery posting that straight after my post here
>>2108274

Jews controlled all of the governments involved through the central banking and international finance systems as well as their infiltration of bureaucracies and political parties. Jews started the war. Jews profiteered off the war by selling materiel to both sides. Jews determined the winners and losers. The Marxist terrorist groups were Jewish-founded, funded, and led. Jews controlled the media and academia to spread their lies to manipulate the masses and cover up their crimes. Most countries in the world have been largely under the control of Jewish cabals for centuries. If a country steps out of line they start a war and annihilate it. They often start wars just to make money financing them.

>>2107881
Oh my god

Is that supposed to be Rosa Luxemburg?

>>2109668

>muh vague and unfounded illumainati conspiracy theories

if you think any one group has that much power, you are retarded

>>2107881
Doesn't hold up. The German Revolution was almost entirely led by soldiers and sailors who wanted to end the war.

The communist uprising was a small part of the revolution after the German Empire had been dissolved.

>>2108406
German revolution =/= Sparticist Uprising. The revolution was well underway when communists took up arms in Berlin and Munich.

The war was over as well.

>>2107881
The fact the fucking Jews and commies tried to take over the nation after the war, instead of helping to rebuild the nation, pretty much fits the definition of being "stabbed in the back" in my book.

Much in the same way that Nigbama and the Marxist dems mandated open faggotry, trannies, and females in combat units in the U.S. military after YEARS of fighting in A-stan and Iraq.

>>2107893
>>2107900

Fuck off, Jews.

>>2107912
The German army was falling apart in 1918, they were getting overrun in the Hundreds Day Offensive, soldiers were deserting from regiments to try to scavenge for foods, etc. etc.
I very much doubt that it can be said that they weren't loosing at the tactical level, given that how badly they were being beaten in the Hundeds Day offensive.

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>>2107881
>mfw the Krauts decide to fight on into 1919.

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>>2107881
>>2110015
>mfw Bavaria becomes the 49th state.

>>2108609
>>2109971
>spread retarded stormfag propaganda
>get called for it
>y-y-you're a jew!

>>2110031
>spread Jew propaganda
>get called out for it
>y-y-you're a stormfronter!

>>2110119
Are you sure you are on the right board? This is not the one with cuckporn and ebin Jew-memes.

>>2107881
Germany went to war against the whole world and lost.This is obviously the jewish people's fault.
t. Adolf Hitler

>>2110119
>saying that the german revolution started by sailors is "jew propaganda"
I guess any minimal historical knowledge is jewish propaganda to a /pol/tard, since it is enough to refute their retarded conspiracies.

>>2110132
Then what are you doing here?

>>2110148
Guess so, since you can't seem to accept the fact that the Jews were responsible for corrupting Russia, exterminating MILLIONS, and trying to do the same in Germany.

>>2110225
>Guess so, since you can't seem to accept the fact that the Jews were responsible for corrupting Russia, exterminating MILLIONS, and trying to do the same in Germany.
That's some pretty flamboyant goal shifting, but indulging you for a moment the Germans were responsible for shipping dissidents like Lenin back into Russia. I feel I need to remind you though this thread is about the stab in the back myth.

>>2110225
>Guess so, since (...)
Moving the goalpost. You've been proven wrong regarding the german revolution, stormfag. But just for fun, let's see your other lies.

>Jews were responsible for corrupting Russia
False. First because the majority of the bolsheviks weren't jews (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Committee_elected_by_the_6th_Congress_of_the_Russian_Social_Democratic_Labour_Party_%28Bolsheviks%29), and second because the jewishness of those who were didn't play any role.

>exterminating MILLIONS
Sure, and both jews and communists were particularly targeted in stalin's purges. Jews must be pretty retarded to put an antisemite as leader of their conspiracy.

>and trying to do the same in Germany
German communists weren't leninists (especially Rosa). Of course, communists did want a revolution, since it's inherent to the ideology, but that's not a conspiracy.

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>>2110242
>the stab in the back myth.

Who do you think "stabbed them in the back"?

The Jews, and those idiots in the German nation that supported and defended them.

Same thing is going today. Jews are trying to flood Europe, and the U.S., with non-whites in order to destroy their culture and way of life.

>>2110256
And thus the infopics start. You /pol/tards are so fucking retarded.

>>2110255
You haven't proved anything "wrong".

Jews aren't the majority in ANY nation they infect, and they know that, which is why they use divide and conquer tactics, and degeneracy, to gain allies from within....all the while trying to remain an innocent bystander on the sidelines.

>>2110256
>Who do you think "stabbed them in the back"?


Nobody "stabbed them in the back". Germany lost the war because it lost the war, and their army was crumbling, their people starving in the streets, and the social unrest wasn't some Jewish plot, it was the fact that people had been living on short rations for years and the news from the front was all bad.

>>2110260

Go away, leftypol fag.

Nobody buys your bullshit here.

>>2110267
>You haven't proved anything "wrong".
I have though. It is a historical fact that sailors started the german revolution.

>Jews aren't the majority in ANY nation they infect, and they know that, which is why they use divide and conquer tactics, and degeneracy, to gain allies from within....all the while trying to remain an innocent bystander on the sidelines.
>if jews are the majority in a political movement, the conspiracy is proven, if they aren't, the conspiracy is also proven
Nice unfalsifiable conspiracy, retard.

>>2110273
No, you haven't.

Go back to your leftypol circlejerk.

>>2110276
Cool retort. Try an argument next time.

>>2110276
Can you disprove the idea that the first group to rebel was the German Navy? Failing that, can you prove the navy was spurred to rebel by Jewish and/or Communist agents?

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>>2110260
>And thus the infopics start.

>>2110269
>Attempting a banwagon fallacy in a place where nobody will jump on your wagon

wew

>>2110287
>using high school debate club terms

Your teacher would be so proud!

>>2110256
4spoopy8me xd!

Nobody stabbed the military in the back. German army morale collapsed during the hundred days. In the last days of September the OHL moved to impress upon the civilian government the importance of a peace declaration, fully a month before the naval mutinies that kicked off the unrest at the end of October which happened in response to the naval command's plans for a suicide cruise.

If anything Ludendorff and Hindenburg seem to have, during October, attempted to backpedal and extricate themselves and the OHL from the peace process. It would not be unreasonable to think, given the timeline, that they were trying to absolve themselves of potential blame post-war, but they likely caused delays to the peace process while morale was plummeting.

>>2109968

See>>2110319

>>2108709
I think it's pretty clear what winning means: stopping North Vietnam from invading the South. Same as in the Korean war.

One of the biggest fallacies in the narrative surrounding the Vietnam war was that the US was fighting an entrenched insurgency from the rural population of South Vietnam, which could never be defeated short of killing every peasant in south Vietnam. In reality, almost all communist operations were directed by the North, and as the war drew on they were increasingly forced to use North Vietnamese soldiers rather than South Vietnamese insurgents. They were a regular army (even if they used guerrilla tactics a lot), equipped with modern weaponry thanks to the USSR. The South Vietnamese peasants mostly hated the communists - the only reason the Vietcong was able to operate freely in the South Vietnamese countryside was because they ruthlessly terrorised the rural South Vietnamese, slaughtering entire villages on the suspicion that they were aiding the South Vietnamese government (of course, this doesn't mean that the South Vietnamese peasants particularly liked their government, or the Americans. Mostly they just wanted everyone to fuck off and leave them alone to grow their crops).

As for whether America could have achieved a cessation of hostilities by North Vietnam, and the liberal media's role in events, I think the most important moment in the war to look at is the Tet offensive.

>>2110355

The Tet offensive was a devastating failure for the Communist forces. It ripped the guts out of the Vietcong, the actual insurgency. The Tet offensive had been intended to be the start of a general uprising in the south. Instead, it totally failed to gain control of the cities, and what ground they gained in the countryside was lost over the next few months with heavy casualties. The morale of the North Vietnamese leadership took a heavy blow after they realised that instead of the expected knockout blow, their military objectives had completely failed and their forces in the south had suffered massive casualties. The Vietcong was basically destroyed as an effective fighting force (from that point on, almost all combat operations by the communists were conducted by North Vietnamese regular troops).

But the US media presented Tet as the turning point AGAINST the America forces. Most of the conversation on this seems to focus on the negative effect the US media had on American morale and by extension the willingness of congress to continue funding the war, which is true, but it leaves out the far more important effect it had on the North Vietnamese leadership. Just at the point where they were coming to grips with the fact that they had suffered a major military defeat, and in the broader sense that their forces were totally outclassed by the Americans, they realised that they had scored a major propaganda victory.

The US media TOLD the North Vietnamese government that they had a path to victory after all. For example, in February '68 Walter Cronkite went on air and said the following:

"We are mired in a stalemate that could only be ended by negotiation, not victory."

>>2110325
That's just feels-over-reals goalpost shifting bullshit. The Dolchstoßlegende, the stab-in-the-back myth, is a defined term. You can't stab the army on the frontline in the back if there is no frontline because the war already ended two fucking months ago.

>>2110357

Which basically amounts to 'it's time to give up.' He said this, on air, in a broadcast that he knew would be available to the communist world. The narrative of the war falsely portrays the communists as fanatics who would have thrown as many men as necessary against the Americans to drive them out of Vietnam. But the North Vietnamese leadership, although highly committed, weren't irrational. They weren't fighting against a vastly larger enemy in the vague hope that after thirty years of slaughter they might force the Americans out. The US media fucking told them that all they had to do was hang in for a little while longer and America would withdraw.

Nixon began withdrawing troops in '69, only a year after Tet, and the writing was on the wall long before that thanks to the US media's negative coverage of the war. The North Vietnamese knew that all they had to do was keep the pressure up. Costly in terms of lives for North Vietnam, yes, but a cost with a visible reward in sight.

Of course, we only found out the exact casualty figures for the Vietcong and the internal workings of the North Vietnamese leadership decades afterwards, when the cold war ended and relations between Vietnam and America began to normalise. But by the time historians started to go over the North Vietnamese records and interview the surviving North Vietnamese leaders, the narrative of the brave independent media standing up to the lying government had already been the established orthodoxy for a long time.

Would the US have won if the media had backed the Vietnam war? Who knows - history is never certain. But if Walter Cronkite had gone on air in February '68 and said something along the lines of "We have not been given the easy victory that was promised by our government, but we should remember that no war was ever won without blood, nor without the full commitment of the nation' they would certainly have had a very good shot at it.

>>2108444
>You're a deluded Germanboo
>Germanaboo
Germany was completely responsible for starting the war btw.

It's just a fact that almost all of the German line at the time of the armistice was still on French (or belgian soil) - and that's if we count Alsace Lorraine as German soil. Granted, Germany didn't have much French territory left, but it still controlled Sedan for example, and the important point was that their armies were still fighting on French land rather than German. Not to mention the fact that Germany still controlled more than half of Belgium.

>>2110225
*since you can't seem to accept my delusional conspiracy theory

Fixed it.

>>2110269
>>>2110260
>Go away, leftypol fag.
>Nobody buys your bullshit here.
Lol, nobody here is buying the bullshit you are peddling, just how delusional are you?

>>2110369

The media don't need to cover the war negatively for the majority of the population to realize the war was a mistake and we had no business being there.

I mean shit, look at the MSM this news cycle and how fed up people were with them.

>>2109983
>soldiers were deserting from regiments to try to scavenge for foods, etc. etc.
This was a consequence of losing strategically. What deteriorated the German war effort was the Naval Blockade.
As I said: if you had handed Germany resources they could have kept people busy for quite a while longer in the west since their tactics were working out quite well - despite the numerical superiority of the enemy.

>>2111448
yeah, 1968 /= 2016

People a losing faith in mainstream media now because there are so many alternative news sources to choose from thanks to the internet. Back in the 1960s people could only get their news from a handful of places, and people like Walter Cronkite really did hold a lot of public trust.

>>2108798
Being jew literally isnt ethnicity

>>2110444
>leftypol actually believing their own propaganda

>>2112082
> Ashkenazi

>>2112144
jew, not Jew you faggot

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>be German Jew
>live comfortably in German town
>be assimilated into the community
>love your country and think that non-Germans
are inferior
>hate France and Russia for being anti-Jewish
>hate Socialism and be proud capitalist
>war starts and you volunteer because you thinks the war is just
>fight alongside your German comrades
>get horrible wounds and barely get out alive
>after the war a bunch of fags decide that you are responsible for everything bad
>have your home destroyed and the early 30s
>forced tom emigrate or deported
JUST

>>2107921
It looks like tits to me too

>>2107902
>Germany crapped out a few months before France would have
French morale was boosted after the successes of 100 days offensive while German Army lacked EVERYTHING.

On top of it Austrians signed armistice that allowed entente troops to use their infrastructure to attack Germany. Say what you want about Italian army but Germany simply didn't have the manpower to stop them(let alone British/American/French troops that were fighting on the Italian Front).

It's 90% myth. The non-mythological part is that sure, Germans could keep fighting if they wanted since the winter gave them some time to regroup, but the war would end in their defeat in 1919 no matter what.

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>>2112214
>mfw the SDP could have spun it around and portrayed their revolution as saving Germany from being destroyed by the war

>>2107881

>Patriotic Jews serve with distinction in WW1
>later, small cadre of degenerate communist Jews (who didn't fight for Germany) try to destroy the country
>this ends up getting ALL Jews blamed

>>2110256
>some jewish journalist's opinion is used as a source of proof for jewish conspiracy
Why are stormfags so pathetic?

>>2108798
like clockwork

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>>2107881

>>2110260
you don't have to be a nazi to recognise that Israel is pretty fucked. All of the other far rightists love it for a reason.

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>>2113543

Also, Hitlers commanding officer, who spoke out for Hitler and is the one who suggested he be awarded the Iron Cross, was a jewish man from a jewish banking family

>>2112768
>try to destroy the country
Given all the communist revolutionaries died within months, what exactly did they try to destroy that the Kaiser himself didn't already?

>>2113553
probably contributed to his antisemitism. the Bellend didn't realise he wasn't personally behind the rewards and thought he was being betrayed by lack of recognition.

>>2113567
>the Bellend didn't realise he wasn't personally
>didn't realize he wasn't
>didn't
>wasn't

What language are you speaking


I'm Austrian and I might have better English than you

The Jews didn't stab Germany in the back.

Ludendorff and Hindenburg stabbed Germany in the back, continuing to do so even after the war ended.

>inb4 muh early victories muh tannenburg muh liege!!!

>>2113574
>I'm Austrian
>t. adolf

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Imagine yourself being a German in 1918. Your country just suffered the greatest defeat in its history until then, and immediately people you thought were your friends, people who were your colleagues, your lovers, decide unanimously to betray everything and tried to use your nation hour of weakness to install a communist dictatorship that would benefit them, and only them (as it happened in Russia and Hungary).

It's as if the U.S. went to war to China, lost and immediately afterwards every single Italian-American rebelled and attempted to establish a mafia state. What do you think common people would think of Italian Americans afterwards?

>>2113584
We both have black hair which is unusual for Austrians but that's where the resemblance ends

>>2113588

imagine if you were some stupid /b/tard who took edgy memes seriously, and started posting jpegs about events you spent no time at all studying.

>>2113588
>and immediately people you thought were your friends, people who were your colleagues, your lovers, decide unanimously to betray everything and tried to use your nation hour of weakness to install a communist dictatorship
What fucking alternative history nonfiction are you reading


Not to mention more things are out of place and cut up in that macro jpg than the holy roman empire

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>>2113588
nice /pol/ infographic

unfortunately, it only serves to give you away

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>>2113588
>the only history stromblrs know is abject lies and misinformation
>hurrr why doesn't anyone take us seriously

Stay in school kiddie, you're gonna need it

>>2113591
You are literally Hitler.

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>>2113604
But I'm not autistic

>>2113588
>Imagine yourself being a German in 1918. Your country just suffered the greatest defeat in its history until then, and immediately people you thought were your friends, people who were your colleagues, your lovers, decide unanimously to betray everything
Yeah, those sailors that didn't want to be in a suicide mission are some egoistic assholes.

>and tried to use your nation hour of weakness to install a communist dictatorship that would benefit them, and only them (as it happened in Russia and Hungary).
:^)

>>2113574
What's wrong with "didn't realize he wasn't"? I would have wrote the same. I'm not anglo though.

>>2107881
The German army was utterly and thoroughly destroyed in the field at the end of WWI. The politics of the myth aside, it's very frustrating because the final offensive of WWI was one of the most remarkable in modern warfare. When it was over, the German Army wasn't even capable of conducting retreats.

>>2113574
He's saying Hitler blamed his officer for his lack of medals without realizing that he wasn't the final authority and was actually trying to get Hitler recognition.

>>2113621
written*
Fuckin ell.

>>2113615

more info on this naval suicide mission please

>>2113588
>(as it happened in Russia and Hungary).

Rosa Luxemburg was known for hating the way Lenin ran his country. Try reading these wikipedia articles instead of just ctrl+F "jew"

>>2113636
how do you find yourself in this thread and not know of the Kriegsmarine revolt?

>>2113641
but Rosa Luxembourg died within a month or two of the turmoil in Germany anyway, her and other communists were immediately arrested and shot

>>2107913
t. Virgin

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>>2110355
>>2110357
>>2110369
liberal media BTFO

>>2113591
Hitler didn't have black hair, he had red brown hair.

>>2107902
>the war that the stab in the back myth is most applied to is the Vietnam war

No it isn't. By far the most it is applied to is WW1 Germany.

>>2113636
So, after Jutland, it was clear that the German Navy wasn't going to beat the British Navy, and that was when the war was still going on and a battle might achieve something.

When it was decided the war was lost, the German High Command decided that since the British would probably seize the fleet in negotiations anyway, they'd order the fleet out to battle where they would just try to sink as many British ships as possible before being sunk themselves, so the German High Seas fleet could have 'honor' since they managed to accomplish fuck all during the war.

>>2108430
>Vladimir Lenin - Jew
jewish grandmother. Russian grandfather and parents, and he himself was a Russian. Militant atheist.
>Leon Trotsky
Militant atheist since his youth, scrutinized Judaism, as well as orthodox christianity and islam.
>Grigory Zinoviev
Russian.
>Lev Kamenev
Russian with jewish father, and if we go by your own ass backwards logic that makes him not a jew, since the line is continued only on the mothers side :^)
>Joseph Stalin - sandnigger
Caucasians=/=arabs or turks
>Grigori Sokolnikov
His parents were jews, while he was culturally russian and a militant atheist.

Also, you had to cherry pick the fuck out of this, and even then they could be named jews only by your abysmal standards, that exist in no other point in history.

>>2113636
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_order_of_24_October_1918

The next time you should try not to fall for /pol/ memes.

>>2114312

>implying Im /pol/ and not just curious

maybe you should try not being so RUDE

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>>2108609
>>2109971
>>2107881

>>2113588
Standard playbook stuff here, once again. Conflating the Spartacist uprising of January 1919 and Novemberrevolution of 1918 in order to increase the pool of Jews involved and also ignoring the naval mutinies which kicked off widespread popular unrest. Also for that matter ignoring the popular aspect of the unrest. Eisner, one of the few relevant to events in 1918, declared the Bavarian republic completely bloodlessly, unopposed by soldiery or civilians. This was the day before Max von Baden declared surrender, far too late to have much bearing on a process that had been in motion for at least over a month by this stage.

Eisner was assassinated in 1919 on his way to present his resignation to the Bavarian parliament after his party's defeat in January elections (by a nationalist with Jewish ancestry himself); on this tack Luxemburg was staunchly anti-Moscow in stance. Paul Levi took over the communist party after the assassination of Luxemburg, having been highly critical of "putschism" and their revolutionary policy he realigned them to be a broader workers' interest party, expelling the far left in the process.

>>2110140
The whole world went to war against Germany because the whole world is controlled by Jewish banking dynasties.

>>2109687
No u

>>2107916

What about the national socialists, ernst Rohm et. al. whom Hitler purged? Were they also responsible?

>>2115133
>the world acts against jews
>they deserve it!
>the world acts in favor of jews
>they control the world!
>jews start a revolution
>they want to rule over the goyim!
>jews don't start a revolution
>they had agents that started it!
>a jew says something bad
>proof of the conspiracy!
>a jew says something good
>trying to fool the goyim!
Everything fits the conspiracy.

>>2115133
>The whole world went to war against Germany
But Germany attacks everyone first in every scenario, what alternate reality do you live in

>>2115154
That's because Jews really are that awful.

>>2115162
Yeah the way that Germany declared war on Britain and France, turning a regional conflict with Poland into a world war, was truly awful.

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>being a naziboo

>>2115172
>turning a regional conflict with Poland into a world war

Do you think Hitler was in charge of Europe or something?

>>2115207
Apparently Britain and France were. Now America is. Go figure lol.

>>2115172
>Germany dindu nuffin, dey wuz good goys
Just how many fellow European states could the Germans have gobbled up before the Allies were just to act in your mind?

>>2115172
>regional conflict with Poland
Conquering independent states like Poland, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark and Czechland isn't a regional conflict

>>2115213
>EU has higher GDP than US
>US owns EU

What alternate reality do you live in

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>>2115172
>Britain and France issue a guarantee and extend a formal alliance to Poland against potential German aggression
>Germany invades anyway so Britain and France declare war as per their very public treaty obligations
>"WOW FUCKING ANGLO SHITS YOU DIDN'T *HAVE* TO PROTECT YOUR ALLIES YOU TRULY ARE THE BIGGEST WARMONGERS HERE"

This, of course, ignores all the other countries that Hitler declared war on and invaded first. Like literally EVERY COUNTRY GERMANY INVADED BUT FRANCE.

>>2115245
Germans even invaded Italy in '43 when the Italian people overthrew Mussolini without any outside help

>>2113628
This does not really capture the situation. The German war machine collapsed most of all because it was constricted by the British naval blockade. They ran out of resources and became incapable of operating. Tactically however, Germany was arguably more proficient than their adversaries - they had to be, because otherwise they could have never kept going for that long despite the numerical superiority of their enemies.

>>2115222
When they stopped annexing areas populated by ethnic Germans, people who supported joining Germany, or land stolen from Germany.

>>2115237
Wow I didn't know those all happened in September 1939 when Britain and France declared war on Germany. The Germans were very busy! It's almost like Germany had no choice but to invade the rest of those countries in the following years in order to defend its flanks from France and Britain who had unilaterally and aggressively declared war on Germany. Something which none of the Allies did, that's for certain!

>>2115239
The Jewish power base shifted from Europe to America after the war. The EU could have ten times the GDP of the US and they'd still be thralls of the Jews.

>>2115245
>>2115249
Interesting, Britain, France, and the United States have never in recorded history ever invaded another country. The British, French, and American empires just happened by MAGIC!

>>2115733
>When they stopped annexing areas populated by ethnic Germans, people who supported joining Germany, or land stolen from Germany.
So are you referring to Austria (which was allowed to join Germany), the """""Sudetenland""""" (which had been an integral part of Bohemia for centuries), West Prussia (which fought to leave Germany and join Poland) or Danzig (which would have likely joined Germany in the '40s had a 'sperg like Memeler not come along ruined everything)?

>>2115747
All of the above.

>>2115765
Well out of those 4, Germany had legitimate claims on Austria & Danzig, and had they been under the control of a competent leader, they would've likely had both by 1950.

>>2115733
>Interesting, Britain, France, and the United States have never in recorded history ever invaded another country. The British, French, and American empires just happened by MAGIC!

Are you fucking retarded? Literally none of that justifies the invasion of Poland. They weren't doing that at the fucking time and had diplomatic obligations to protect Poland you fucking imbecile.

>>2115791
>Invade half the world
>Tell everyone else to stop because they have enough land now
>GUYS ITS MORALLY WRONG TO INVADE OTHER COUNTRIES PLEASE STOP!!!

>>2115816

>its a "stormfag is so historically illiterate he has no idea about the post colonial attitude of the world and of the league of nations at the time' episode

still pretty funny how your entire justification for this shitty regime is just "well the british did it first!"

>>2115816
Well if the only rule is 'might makes right' the Germans still lost.

>>2115816
Britain wanted Germany to act as a bulwark against Soviet expansion. They already betrayed one ally to try and keep the arrangement possible, and when that turned out to be a mistake on their part, they refused to let it happen again.

>>2115791
What I'm reading you writing:

>Britain and France were not fit to serve as world police and had no moral high ground to declare war on Germany and only did so out of realpolitik just like Germany in her invasion of Poland.

I think we're in agreement.

>>2115733
>this is what stormfags actually believe

>>2115818
You are replying to multiple people.

We're discussing the moral justification for Britain and France declaring war on Germany, not Germany declaring war on Poland.

I think you have a long way to go to lose your illusions about the morality of state actors. Reconsidering the 70 year old war propaganda you were taught in high school might be a good starting point.

>>2115819
That is certainly not my belief.

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>>2115846
>moral justification for Britain and France declaring war on Germany, not Germany declaring war on Poland.

they declared war on Germany because Germany declared war on their ally Poland.

stop being retarded and trying to hide behind circular logic like this

>>2115846
Britain and France were morally justified in declaring war on Germany. In fact, they were justified in declaring war on Germany in 1938, when Germany, despite promises not to do so, invaded British and French ally, Czechoslovakia.

>>2115861
Not him but "attacking my best buddy poland" isnt a very beliviable reason either considering they left poland with their best buddy the soviet union after ww2.
I find weird how people have a hard time accepting France and Britain were mostly just attacking Germany to defend themselves. A greater Germany would lead to more war with Britain and France and that would be pretty bad for them. Like thats more than enough justification to defend poland. Its the same reasoning kingdoms used before ww1 too. This whole "we wuz morally good ppls" is nonsense to me.

>>2115889
>"attacking my best buddy poland" isnt a very beliviable reason

yes it is because thats what happened. Stop being stupid on purpose.

>>2115846
>That is certainly not my belief.
It is your belief that international jewry shut Germany down when it is perfectly reasonable without some reptilian-tier bullshit that Britain and France should seek to defend European sovereign states against a resurgent Germany, particularly after the Germans already broke the Munich Agreement; unless you are piggybacking on another retard.

>>2115889
>Not him but "attacking my best buddy poland" isnt a very beliviable reason either considering they left poland with their best buddy the soviet union after ww2.
It was pragmatic to not go to war against the Soviet union to liberate Eastern Europe, pragmatism being something the Germans should have considered after they got away with Czechoslovakia .

>>2115861
is this one of those meme's i've been hearing about?

good stuff, xir good stuff!

>>2115889
>Not him but "attacking my best buddy belgium" isnt a very beliviable reason

Its just a piece of paper, gosh.

>>2110355
>>2110357
>>2110369
I think you're understating just how corrupt and incompetent the South Vietnamese government was. The Communists were able to operate as freely as they did because people in the south either preferred the Communists, or didn't care one way or the other. The southern government wasn't actively supported and few were willing to fight and die for it. Towards the end of the war, the south was in a state of near civl war within itself, not even counting the Communists. Trying to prop them up was much like trying to prop up the failed governments in the middle east today.

And the reason the Tet offensive was viewed the way it was is because Khe Sahn was supposed to have been the death blow to the Communist forces. The fact that they still had the capability to launch such a huge operation across the entire south was shocking regardless of it's ineffectiveness. It gave the impression that they were still far from broken and willing to stay in a fight that the public had gotten tired of long ago.

>>2115896
Calling someone stupid over and over again isn't argument.

Idiot.

>>2115874
No, they weren't. Poland was an excuse, not a reason. "Morality" didn't enter into the equation except for propaganda purposes for brainless plebs like you.

>>2116026
The Jews wanted Germany destroyed long before that. They controlled Britain and France through the central banks.

>It was pragmatic to not go to war against the Soviet union to liberate Eastern Europe, pragmatism being something the Germans should have considered after they got away with Czechoslovakia

In other words Britain and France didn't really give a shit about Poland and never did. That you for admitting defeat.

>>2116126
>In other words Britain and France didn't really give a shit about Poland and never did. That you for admitting defeat.
Thanks for both putting words in my mouth and declaring overall defeat on my behalf, I guess Jewish bankers were behind Britain and France's declaration of war against Germany all along, nothing at all to do with their own national interests and that of their allies.

>>2116126
>propaganda for brainless plebs like you
Unlike the brilliant foreign policy minds like you that can pierce through all of the Jewish lies that cloud discussion of Adolf Hitler's righteous defensive crusade against Jewery from inside the borders of all countries around Germany, right?

>The Jews wanted Germany destroyed long before that.

Oh look, that is the angle you're taking. Fucking Jews controlling all those countries to make sensible foreign policy decisions to keep peace in Europe and prevent Germany from annexing all of its neighbors and ruling their populations without their consents. They should have just appeased Hitler continually. Maybe they should have just offered him Paris and London at Munich.

lol
I predict that someway it will be about NKVD's ethnic composition in 1934-1938 by Nikita Petrov again

>>2108430
>Joseph Stalin - sandnigger

hehehehehhehehehehehehehehehe

>>2109687
>vague

wrong he is in fact overly specific, a downfall of his position.

>>2116120

yeah it is because youre stupid and make stupid points

>TELL ME WHY BRITAIN WAS JUSTIFIED IN ATTACKING GERMANY AND YOU CANT BRING UP THEIR ALLIANCE WITH POLAND!

wow, how convenient for you. Stop being a dummy and clinging onto your faggy edgy safty blanket of making Hitler your anti-hero because reality is ruining your stormfag memes.

>>2115823

>Be a bulwark against Soviet expansion
>Sign agreement with Soviets allowing them territorial expansion, some of it into your nominal allies
>Soviets begin expanding after literally decades of not.

Great plan there Adolf, great plan.

>>2117178
>Adolf

I think we found the problem.

>>2117186

What? That Hitler was bad at foreign policy? Yeah, everyone knows that. I'm more asking why you feel a need to defend the quite frankly self-defeating policies of WW2 era Germany.

>>2116108
If the communists had the support, or even the apathy, of the rural South Vietnamese, then they wouldn't have had to commit so many massacres. Again, the western media has skewed your viewpoint - they portrayed the South Vietnamese government as corrupt and brutal. As I said, the South Vietnamese government was hardly popular, but their failings were more shocking to a western audience than to actual Vietnamese, for whom corrupt government officials were just how the world worked.

Towards the end of the war the South Vietnamese forces were actually reforming reasonably well. In 1972, after America had withdrawn most of its ground troops, the North Vietnamese launched a full-scale invasion, which the South Vietnamese army was able to beat back with the help of American air power. If morale was high enough in the South Vietnamese army that it could repel such a severe attack then you can hardly pretend that few people were willing to fight for South Vietnam's independence. It was only in 1975 after the South was completely abandoned by the Americans (while the North Vietnamese were still backed by the USSR and China) that North Vietnam finally broke through the South's defences, and South Vietnam's leadership collapsed in a orgy of backstabbing as they tried to find a government that could come to terms with the invaders.

Also, in case you hadn't noticed, the governments that America installed in Iraq and Afghanistan are still standing. And since there is far more popular resistance (popular hatred, in fact) to America in the Muslim middle east than there ever was in South Vietnam, it pretty much just goes to show that with continuing American assistance South Vietnam could have held out pretty much indefinitely.

>It gave the impression that they were still far from broken and willing to stay in a fight
You mean the media interpreted it as such, and gave the public the FALSE impression that the communists were still far from broken.

>>2115889
And what about Denmark, Norway, The Netherlands, Belgium, Yugoslavia, and Greece?

What justification did Germany have for invading most of neutral Europe, again?

>>2113612
>"Stefanie only dances because she is forced to by society on which she unfortunately depends on. Once Stefanie is my wife, she won't have the slightest desire to dance!"
typisch autism right there

>>2117268
>Also, in case you hadn't noticed, the governments that America installed in Iraq and Afghanistan are still standing.
If you consider lying in a hospital bed on life support as standing, then sure I guess they're standing.

>You mean the media interpreted it as such, and gave the public the FALSE impression that the communists were still far from broken.
My point is that the fact the impression was false is irrelevant. It's what people believed, and therefore what dictated our response. And why blame the media? Look at how the American public has been feeling about the government recently. Is it any surprise that there were times in the past where the public was pissed off at politicians and didn't believe anything they said? The war was supposed to essentially be over after Khe Sahn. Instead the enemy followed it up with a huge surprise offensive. Regardless of the offensive's failure, it still made the people who said the enemy was already beat look very wrong. Or in the case of corrupt politicians that the public distrusted, look like liars. The war had already dragged on a long time. And without the benefit of hindsight it looked like their was no end in sight. People had had enough.

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>>2107881
Not true at all.

German soldiers increasingly surrendered in large numbers starting at the beginning of 1918, and had few reserves to replace them with.

Also remember that Germany Jews in the German army were largest representative of any German minority in both % of population and number.

12,000 German Jews were killed in World War I
18,000 German Jews were awarded the Iron Cross during the war.

>>2117215
Where did I defend WWII-era Germany?

Twice now ITT I've outright stated 1/2 of their territorial claims were bullshit.

>>2117272
>Denmark, Norway, The Netherlands, Yugoslavia, Greece
Defending their flanks.

Leaving both your right and left flanks open for attack is a good way to lose a war very quickly.

If Germany hadn't invaded these countries ASAP, the Allies would have. And they did, where necessary.

Having occupied those countries simply made Germany able to defend her flanks.

I also seem to recall the Allies invading several neutral countries as well, such as the British invasion of Iceland, the USSR's invasion of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, and the Brits' and Soviets' gangbang of Iran. I'm sure there are a few others.

>Belgium
Bypassing France's main line of defense.

That's part of the reason why France built the Maginot Line in the first place, to force Germany to first invade another country if they wanted to invade France.

War isn't a child's game. Innocent people die. Neutral countries get invaded.

Not true at all, Germany was literally starving from the blockade

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>>2120145
>might makes right

well okay then.

>>2119993
>And why blame the media?
because the media defines how the people view things. Especially, as I said, in a time when there were far fewer information sources.

> How true stab in the back theory

It is untrue. It was Nazi rhetoric for diverting shame on to the minorities they opposed (Jews, Communists, etc...). In reality, they were outfought and ran out of resources in a war of attrition (WW1). You have to remember that Germany was nearly landlocked and surrounded by enemies, sea blockades made it even harder to bring in the much needed materials for sustaining the population and the German army

>>2121700

They also had their army crushed, unable to retreat as fast as the Allies were advancing when the truce was called.

Communists didn't stab Germany in the back, but they certainly made postwar Germany a little more shitty than it already was.

>>2121788
Same could be said for Nazis. Well, except for the "little" part.

>>2121834
well to be fair they made things temporarily marginally "better" (more stable) at first, and then substantially worse. but that's neither here nor there.
Communists and Jews didn't do nothin, it was the failures of the German high command and attrition that made them lose the first world war. However the communist actions within weakened postwar Germany certainly helped in radicalizing the populace towards the nazis.

>>2121880
>well to be fair they made things temporarily marginally "better" (more stable) at first
Thats what happens when you borrow money unresponsibly. Going this hard after short-term goals is not a good thing.

>However the communist actions within weakened postwar Germany certainly helped in radicalizing the populace towards the nazis
And vice versa, the difference was that commies had more power at the beggining.

>>2115173
I'm not a nazi, I believe that vikings and blacks are both subhuman savages.
Nord-fellating larpers are the absolute worst.

>>2121703
Mostly as a consequence of the aforementioned lack of pretty much everything. German tactics were working out well enough up to that point, but with the entry of the US into the war there certainly was a point reached where even the best tactics couldn't help against the numerical superiority any more.

>>2110369
Very interesting.

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>>2110369

There was no prospect for victory in Vietnam without resulting permanent occupying military force. South Korea was not sacrificed in order to prevent the spill over effect for this precise reason. South Vietnam was left to fend on its own and that's why the war was lost.

The negative media coverage of the war though a historical fact, due to the sheer brutality the Americans showed against the Vietnamese, did not affect the war effort in the slightest, as Nixon had won the 1972 election by huge margins and was still very popular despite the war. But morale both for troops in and the Pentagon was low, in the face of the realization, that without permanent presence the war was hopeless, which is why the US started funding the Khmers in Cambodia in the hope of opening a second front of fighting for the Viet Kong.

All of the rest is a republican myth made by Americans to hide the sheer irrationality of that war and the embarrassing defeat their war machine experienced.

>>2124360

No, by 1918, they had fallen tactically behind the Allies as well. This isn't 1915 anymore. Rolling barrages, actually integrating air power into the infantry advance, timing localized attacks in the late afternoon so they'd finish up at around dusk and make counterattacking difficult; these were tricks that the Germans hadn't mastered.

They were tactically outmatched quite badly by the autumn of 1918, in addition to their material inferiority.

>>2108235
> >implying it's a myth that the liberal media lost the war for the US.
But the US got what it wanted. Who cares about Vietnam, am they wanted was to make sure the country was gutted and couldn't look like a successful communist state or like communism was a good idea.

There were about 600,000 Jews in Germany at the time of WWI. During WWI 100,000 Jews would fight in the German army and 2,000 would reach the rank of officer. Sending around 1/6 of German Jews to fight for Germany whilst simultaneously undermining it makes little sense.
Germany had lost the war after the failed Ludendorff offensive and agreed to a ceasefire because they knew there was no real chance of victory. Fighting till “the bitter end” would have resulted in harsher terms and would have devastated large amounts of the country.