Is it really wrong to judge a person's ideas or at least

Jews are over represented in intellectual fields because inbreeding caused them to have superior intelligence.

tl;dr it's okay to spam ad hominems over and over again, disregarding any real arguments, 'cause my dead german philosowank said so!

how ugly you must be to have come up with this ideal, by your own logic.

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>>2105281
>2016
>Not being a ferocious beast of prey

>>2105307
You kinda did the same thing by evoking an ad hominem against me in the closing. Anyway, It's just a question to get talking I guess, let's do discussions for their own sake. Not sure if Nietzsche would approve though

>>2105289
Lol on one knows what real inbreeding is.
For example Iceland isn't inbred despite the memes.

>>2105281
No one here is capable of comprehending Nietzsche, apparently.

Nietzsche's piece on Socrates is in the tone of mocking his contemporaries who thought ugliness was a physical manifestation of an evil soul. Those same contemporaries also held Socrates in high regard. Nietzsche is pointing out this absurdity.

you have to go back to the coffee shop.

>>2105578
Have you ever met an ugly person that wasn't a vindicative piece of shit?

Let's get real here.

>>2105587
Not an argument.

>>2105335
ad hominem implies there was any real argument in this thread to begin with

protip: read a fucking book

>>2105281
Physiognomy is a pseudo-science anon.

>>2105618
t. uggo

>>2105587

Gee who knew life is a little harder when people don't bend over backwards just to talk to you?

>>2105578
Wrong, the monstrum in amino comes from Nietzsche's time. He attacks socrates because ugliness is a negative trait in the scope of life affirmation, it gives the human brain a bad physiological response to it and thus is bad.
In the later chapters he goes on about how beauty is basically the most important thing ever.

>>2105637
thatsthepoint.jpg

its not a demon that makes ugly looking people ugly people

It's their ugliness

>>2105587

I think your mom is a really nice lady, anon. Don't say that.

>>2105643
It's not just nietzsche, aristophanes too

>Pheidippides at first agrees to do as he's asked then changes his mind when he learns that his father wants to enroll him in The Thinkery, a school for wastrels and bums that no self-respecting, athletic young man dares to be associated with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Clouds

>>2105662
>The story resumes with Strepsiades returning to The Thinkery to fetch his son. A new Pheidippides emerges, startlingly transformed into the pale nerd and intellectual man that he had once feared to become. Rejoicing in the prospect of talking their way out of financial trouble,

>>2105637
Suck my dick Ugo. Im an 8/10 and no one talks to me

>>2105672
As someone who has worked in a research institute this is strangely true, a lot of (not all obviously) people there are broken somehow. Above average balding numbers, slothiness in their movement and demeanor, above average introversion and not the healthy kind, the one where you are retreating from society like a wounded animal etc..

Frankly I've never met a single fat woman who wasn't complete batshit so there probably is something to it.

>>2105691
>no one goes out of their way to do things for me
>no one talks to me
>thinks he's an 8/10

I have some terrible news.

>>2105708
Nah, brah I'm just hyper reclusive. Being a good looking male doesn't open up doors the way <5s think

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>>2105708
>>2105713
maybe I'm a 7/10 but I know im easy on the eyes.

Stay envious

>>2105713
>Being a good looking male doesn't open up doors the way <5s think
It does when you aren't autistic.

>>2105713
>Being a good looking male doesn't open up doors the way <5s think

It's absolutely a giant foot in the door. Went from fat to fit, am no longer invisible.

>>2105734
Exactly, it's not a magic wand that just pulls people in. It's an advantage when combined with charisma

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>>2105735
Good on ya, man

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>>2105281
>Is it really wrong to judge a person's ideas or at least the motivation behind them by judging them, especially their physiology/facial morphology?
Unless they're making a claim that directly has to do with their bodies (such as they're fat and they're claiming that their diet doesn't make them fat when it actually does or something similar), of course it's retarded. How the fuck is this even a question.

What the actual fuck, I doubt you even understand what you're asking.

>>2105761
I don't think you understand where Nietzsche was coming from. Let's say a physically fit good looking Athenian general is experiencing a lot of sex because of his physiological makeup and then comes an ugly slob to whom girls aren't naturally attracted to and tries to convince him that sensual pleasure is bad and he should do philosophy or mathematics instead.

And the useless kind, the kind that Aristophanes made fun of, do you really think that there isn't a jealous element in the uggo that wants to drag him down so he will feel better?

>>2105643

You need to find a coffee shop and stop posting these shit answers. Nothing about your remarks are accurate.

The negation of life from Socrates comes from his final comments about offering a cock to Asclepius. This is something the greeks would do to when they'd been cured of a disease. Thus, Socrates was saying life is a disease and death is a cure. Nietzsche is disgusted by this idea- and specifically that popular opinion (which he pointed out as fallacious) suggests what Socrates was saying must be true.

If you consider the life of Socrates, you couldn't make the case that he didn't live a full "life affirming life". He wasn't merely an ascetic outcast- he fought in wars, was a master mason, and married a young girl late in life to crank out 3 kids.

But, again, Take a look at the problem of Socrates- third paragraph. Nietzsche remarks "anthropologists among criminologists tell us the typical criminal is ugly". Nietzsche sees the absurdity in this- and goes on to ask "Was Socrates a typical criminal?"

To the reader, this obviously funny. Socrates is among the most celebrated and revered "wise men". It's absurd to think Socrates was a typical criminal- and so the lesson we're to take home is that it's absurd to take seriously the correlation between ugliness and criminals. Nietzsche doesn't spell this out- because it would be in bad taste. And he does want to go on to talk about Socrates inventing a new weapon for the rabble to use against nobility.

>>2106555
Interpretarion brought to you by post-modernist Schlomo Pierre Goldenstein at ENS.

>>2105281
>>2105929
Psychologically explaining why a person might believe what it believes is not a refutation of its beliefs. It's just a slightly more sophisticated ad hominem.