>variety of goods >variety of services >variety of entertainment

>>2084133
>I am an hedonist and proud of it

yep

what about poor people?
just let them suffer because they don't deserve material goods?
what if they just have really bad luck and their poverty is hardly even their fault

>>2084160
How about we give them opportunities to get out of poverty, rather than giving them gibs?

>>2084160
>what about poor people?

"Poor" people in capitalist societies are richer than average people in non-capitalist societies.

People get mad at capitalism not because they are poor, but because other people are rich.

communism is a pipe dream

>>2084153
Everyone's a hedonist to some extent pal, yes, even you.

>>2084173
>People get mad at capitalism not because they are poor, but because other people are rich.
This is really what is all about. The majority of Marxist and socialist so-called intellectuals are middle class individuals that envy the rich.

>>2084133
>Jews own everything
>Blank check to funnel the wealth out of host nations

Yeah, great system.

>>2084194

Yes, and that's deeply ingrained. There was an experiment with two monkeys where one could choose whether he got one banana and the other got three, or both got zero. The monkey would rather go hungry than see the other get something extra "unfairly."

>>2084204
>hurr durr memes

>>2084176
Yes but some forms of hedonism are obviously better then others

>>2084206
source? sounds fascinating

>>2084206
That's the Venezuelan people desu. They have been witnessing their nation decline year after year, to the point where pastries are served on money bills, and there are lines to buy such luxury items as toilet paper, and, to be sure, year after year they reelected their socialist tyrants. Why? Because at least now everyone is in the shitter. It's the revenge of the envious monkey: nobody gets a banana.

>>2084173

Yes, and people born before the year 2004 didn't have iphones, the source of many many peoples happiness now. It doesn't mean they were all miserable. Happiness always has and always will be decided but what you have in comparison to your neighbour. Poor people have a right to be pissed. This is why caste systems are superior

>>2084176

No.

>>2084173
>i have to work tree jobs to feed my kids and pay rent but there are kids in africa with AIDS, you'd have to be a friccin bozo to not love capitalism :DDD

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But has it made us happy?

>>2084329
Question with a question: Has any system made us happy?

>>2084336
Monarchy

>>2084133
It's better than communism for sure, but you're being very shortsighted and just focusing on your own very narrow enjoyment.

Having a huge variety of goods, services and entertainment, numerous ways to make money and a great standard of living doesn't matter as much when foreign interests piece by piece start buying up my country.
You're just eating the seed instead of planting it.

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'Nuff said

>>2084173
>"Poor" people in capitalist societies are richer than average people in non-capitalist societies.
Literally tu quoque

>>2084133
You've failed to mention one important thing

>no free time to actually enjoy all those things

>>2084441

You think implementing some kind of forced labor system will improve your free time?

>>2084276
>i have to work tree jobs to feed my kids and pay rent but there

No you don't.

>>2084153
>I'm so much better than you because I pretend to devote my life to real world causes but in fact just shitpost my leftist theologies online out of a desperate attempt at validation in my otherwise unsatisfied life :(

inb4 projection maymay as if that post wasn't a projection itself

>>2084472
people living in poverty can not afford to live on a single paycheck

ITT: NEETs argue about work in a system that doesn't force them to work as long as they continue leeching off of their senpai

>>2084133
I have to work 15 jobs to feed the droves of children I chose to have. Other than that, capitalism is just fantastic...

>>2084153
Don't you have a welfare check to cash, nigger boy?

>>2084476

But you are not such a person.

>>2084546
what's your point?

>>2084550

That you're a liar who uses emotional bullshit arguments.

>>2084556
I never said I was living in poverty. I provided an example of the type of situations some people live in.

>>2084542
>it's capitalism's fault because i chose to shit out 15 niglets
kek

>>2084559

Yes, and there is less poverty in capitalist societies than anywhere else. So what was your point?

>>2084133
>variety of wild game and plants for foraging
>services either unnecessary because self-sufficient or provided by local lord
>entertained by songs of your forefathers that pass on cultural values
>dont have to worry about making money at all
>"standard of living" meme thrown off by high infant mortality

Let's face it, the only people who hate feudalism are useless peasants and greedy merchants on ships. For everyone else it's pretty much the best system ever put to practice.

>>2084408
Lol, it isn't a fallacy though?

>>2084476
So you'd rather have everyone living in poverty, to make things equal?

>>2084566
there's isn't any equivalent socialist countries to compare with

>>2084588
Lmao, now you're getting the hang of it.

>>2084173
>capitalism only applies to the western world
>i live in a bubble
(You)

>>2084571
>leftcuck's only argument is strawman

>>2084571
Thjis, Literally only jealous landless peasants hate monarchism.

>>2084603
that post is 100% non-ironic

>>2084620
Leftists always force the capitalism = feudalism meme because their bullshit Marxist heterodox historiography.

Go home /leftypol/

>>2084588
>there's isn't any equivalent socialist countries to compare with

AND WHY DO YOU SUPPOSE THAT IS?

>>2084596

What are you even trying to say?

>>2084646
I'm saying feudalism is BETTER than capitalism you retard. Learn to read

>>2084652
it you wanted to compare, say, America to socialist Venezuela it would be wrong to say that the only reason Venezuela is less prosperous is because of socialism.
there has actually never been a society where the workers owned the means of production.

>>2084338
Were the nobles happy with being limited in their power? Were the serfs always happy doing backbreaking work on the farms from sundown to sunset from the moment they could walk until the day they died, unable to climb the social ladder? Was the ruling body happy, given the burden of their entire kingdom on their shoulders? I can't imagine that they were.

>>2084663
Nice falseflagging leftist.

Your bullshit historiography is a lie. Marxism is a scam.

Continue falling for it.

>>2084666
>there has actually never been a

And why do you suppose that is? Why has there never been a true scotsman, literally ever? Could it be because your extremely narrow goalposts are actually impossible, and attempts inevitably result in the dozens if examples we actually see? No, that couldn't be! Let's try a hundred more times.

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>>2084133

>goods, services, money, work and entertainment are the only things that matter

Nice try capitalist shill.

>>2084768

>Marxism is a scam

He says while defending a system that always leads to drastic income inequality.

>>2085083
He says while defending a system that always leads to environmental or human catastrophe... while the vanguard create income inequality.

NO TRUE SOCIALISM NO TRUE SOCIALISM NOTHING'S TRUE SOCIALISM IN MY WORLD

>>2085067
Try living without any of those and see what happens

>>2085089

attacking Capitalism =/= promoting Marxism

>>2085100
>attacking someone attacking marxism = attacking capitalism???

Marxism is a scam.

>>2085097

There's plenty of people who have these things and are sad, and there's plenty of people who don't have those things and are happy.

I'm not saying those things aren't important. I'm just pointing out that capitalism isn't perfect. OP suggested that capitalism was perfect.

>>2084222
That capitalism doesn't satisfy envy is not an argument against it.

>>2085083
Income inequality is not issue.

>>2085067
They are things that can be exchanged, which is all it is claiming.

>>2084666
There are countless small companies where the worker owns the "means of production".
There were even semi-closed systems like the kibbutzim where you had the bizarro collective "ownership". There were disasters and transitioned to actual property after a while.

>>2085097
Human beings don't need "goods" and "services" to survive. Only since capitalism has biological survival been commodified

>>2085067
If you are incapable of finding love and happiness that isn't capitalism's fault. But money can buy you the things needed to survive while searching for the intangible good in life.

>>2085110
Speak for yourself, i have these things and i'm happy because of it. If you don't want them go live in a jungle or something

>>2085113
I don't want just to survive, i want to enjoy life and capitalism offers me that enjoyment

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>anti-capitalists

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>>2085113
Goods and services are whatever products that can be exchanged. Nobody can buy and sell biological survival. You can buy and sell wheat and meat. What exactly are you even suggesting?

>>2085128
I have no issue against some people making more than me or me making more than some other people.
Pic related.

>>2085146
>What exactly are you even suggesting?
The post I replied to said "Try living without goods and services etc." This is perfectly possible if you can get food and shelter on your own or through some kind of communal effort, rather than through the marketplace. Therefore, you don't need "goods and services" for biological survival.

>>2085222
They are still goods even if you don't put them for sale. Anyway I won't argue about the word.

>>2085238
>I won't argue about the word
>does exactly that

>>2085128
Not bait. Income inequality is not an issue. There is an issue if there are people incapable of sustaining themselves. But if I'm making a million dollars a year why the fuck should I care that the guy three golf estates and a private island over is earning a billion a year?

>>2084666
So lets compare it Argentina

>>2085244
Obviously I was implying I wouldn't argue any further.

>>2085271
Ok well feel free to stop posting

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>>2085276
You won't make me.

>>2084133
I think it is ugly, base, brutish and common. That it rears the most low and ignoble of human tendencies.

The stuff I pretty cool. Wish there were more wild spaces though.

>>2085265
What about something closer amd more comparable like Colombia, Brazil or maybe Honduras. Something that isn't a single cherry picked country on the other side of the continent That has very little in common with the country you're discussing. The fact is that along with Cuba Venezuela is still one of the better places to live in latin america. Taking everything out of context and trying to claim that say capitalism doesn't work by comparing the life of westerners living in a collective to that of the life of people in Congo for example is disingenuous.