Is IQ a spook? I'm considering taking the Mensa test. I

>mensa
literally a 99%ers club

>Is IQ a spook
Only if you commit to actions above your egotistical rational using it as justification.

>Is IQ worth anything?
In children on a mass scale. IQ on a single adult is literally their puzzle solving ability and does not denote intelligence.

if you do well on an IQ test it doesn't necessarily mean you're smart but if you're smart you will do well on an iq test

>>2065905
"No". You can practice for an IQ test beforehand. You can actually train somebody with down syndrome to score over 200 on the tests.

The absolute only time IQ has worth is measuring the development speed of children and only when the sample size is very large.

>>2065892
the results are replicable. so it's scientific at least.

however, mensa is a faggot club. it really doesn't matter what your IQ is, it matters what you do with it

>>2065912
>The results are scientific
Are we getting invaded by /sci/ trolls? The results are socioeconomic: 100% social science.

>>2065911
I think you ought to reread that post, bevause nothing you said contradicts what he's claiming.

>>2065892
You're using "spook" incorrectly, please don't.

IQ is useful in measuring the mental development (well, problem-solving skill, at least) of a particular child up to the age of 16 in relation to a control group made up of its peers (whose average is given the value of 100). That's it. It became a meme due to incorrect usage.

>>2065914
it's pattern recognition. who cares what the other implications are? i'm not treating it like it's something to be respected.

>>2065892
>this thread
You guys are really misinformed about IQ. Short summary :
>g is real, not a statistical construct
>IQ tests are the best indicators of g
>g is 80% heritable

That's the current state of academia.

>>2065963
There are 17 million unaccounted for variables even when it's taken in children. It's not a science by definition.

It gets to be part of the useful on average but not provable "social sciences", like economics.

>>2065892
IQ measurement is 'test dependent' and 'population tested' dependent.

Different tests produce different results.

Each Intelligence Quotient is relative to the population tested and can only produce a ranked result relative to that population.

If you believe that identical IQ tests are rigorously applied to a statistically significant section of the world population. Good on you.

If not, then determine likely margin of error and exclude any untested population members from your claims to ranking.

By the time you have completed this task, I suspect you will either conclude the population is so small as to be meaningless, or that there are too many variables to control for worldwide and too large a budget needed to even approach relevance.

>>2065992
There are techniques to separate the result from environmental influences. Twin studies for instance.

You quite clearly know nothing about the subject. Stop embarassing yourself.

>>2065996
You're absolutely wrong, all tests measure the same quantity, g.

Do you get your information from Slate?

>>2065892

no it is not

>>2065999
Link me an article about somebody who believes they can separate the IQ test from all of it's variables, /pol/. I am thirsty for a good laugh.

>>2066010
You want me to link you to the entire corpus of psychometrics research?

You could start by reading the wikipedia article on g.

Moronic and yet so smug...

>>2066017
I really do deserve to be smug. Some guy on the internet is telling me you can take a non perimeter, make implications on a parameter and call it a science. I don't care how far your head is up your ass or the social science communities is, it's not a fucking science.

>>2065900
>In children on a mass scale. IQ on a single adult is literally their puzzle solving ability and does not denote intelligence.

According to Schmidt and Hunter, "for hiring employees without previous experience in the job the most valid predictor of future performance is general mental ability."[98] The validity of IQ as a predictor of job performance is above zero for all work studied to date, but varies with the type of job and across different studies, ranging from 0.2 to 0.6.[99] The correlations were higher when the unreliability of measurement methods was controlled for.[8] While IQ is more strongly correlated with reasoning and less so with motor function,[100] IQ-test scores predict performance ratings in all occupations.[98] That said, for highly qualified activities (research, management) low IQ scores are more likely to be a barrier to adequate performance, whereas for minimally-skilled activities, athletic strength (manual strength, speed, stamina, and coordination) are more likely to influence performance.[98] It is largely through the quicker acquisition of job-relevant knowledge that higher IQ mediates job performance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient#Social_correlations

>>2066024
It is, in fact psychometrics is the most rigorous social science since it is essentially statistical analysis.

But please go ahead and remain an ignorant moron.

>>2066027
Stop polluting this thread with your hate facts, pol

>>2066031
I'm just saying definitions here. Hell i'm into finance and I respect contemporary social science discoveries more than actual contemporary science, although psychology will need to wait 100~ or so years before it has a big monetizable breakthrough.

>>2066045
>Hell i'm into finance
What are you, a janitor in the cafeteria?

Keep your "definitions" for when you know what you're talking about.

>>2066052
>still doesn't understand
Statistical analysis is social science. It's arguably more useful than actual science, but as long as it's statistics it cannot be objectively proven.

>>2066067
Yes, it's a social science. Doesn't detract from the truthfulness of its results.

>objectively proven
This is true, but do observations require to be objectively proven?

If a social science study shows that Japan has a longer life expectency than the USA, should we disregard that result because it cannot be "objectively proven"?

Wait 20 years until we discover which genes are responsible for intelligence. Then you'll have your "objective proof". If genetics satisfies your highness' criterias for scientific validity.

>>2066067
>It's arguably more useful than actual science

How so? Is it useful to a duck?

>>2066086

Height is heritable. But we need to know what genes are responsible for height before we make heritability estimates.

>>2066095

That literally makes no sense.

>>2066095
No, you see there's this thing called "twin studies" which allows for the study of heritability without looking into the genes.

Like I already said, please stop talking about things you are completely ignorant of.

>>2066108
>please stop talking about things you are completely ignorant of.

Interesting perspective coming from the likely anon who posted the racist posts.

This isn't going to be a popular topic, but intelligence is itself a nebulous concept.

'Intelligence' as we understand it is nothing more than a high-appraisal of skills that individually are neither rare nor difficult to acquire, chief among them vocabulary and mathematical acumen. IQ mostly judges puzzle-solving, of course, and we tend to put a high value on things like the recitation of facts and spacial reasoning.

All of those things can be trained though some of them do seem to naturally occur in some individuals - spacial reasoning in particular seems related to some genetic, possibly even physical characteristic, such as acute senses or particularly developed portions of the brain.

Basically IQ is a placebo because intelligence itself is a placebo that people in the educated elite (myself among them!) use to feel better about ourselves. Many individuals show some of these skillsets and other, less values skillsets and aren't considered intelligent. Some people have all of those skillsets and yet it doesn't seem to have any practical impact in their life.

>>2066138
What racist posts?

Do you have anything to add to the discussion except from bleating "DAS RAYCIS"?

>>2066146
>This isn't going to be a popular topic, but intelligence is itself a nebulous concept.
No it's not, intelligence is well defined. Stop spouting whatever you read on reddit, you moron.

Read the wiki article on g before replying to me.

>>2066146

IQ as an indicator, is a very important one. See >>2066027

>>2066027
>iq is more corelated to reasoning than performance
>but people with more iq "perform" better
Work a minimum wage job and tell me how you think your manager measures your "performance"

>>2066276

Look into how those IQ predictions of performance.

http://som.yale.edu/news/news/why-high-iq-doesnt-mean-youre-smart

Go ask some fucking professionals you dimwits.

no, but it's an abstract construct based on arbitrary reasoning as opposed to the scientific method.

mensa is a business.

>>2065965
prove it.

>>2065911
No you can't, you can train a person with Down syndrome for years and they will never even score 100.

>>2066444
Not him but here is a really fucking long thing about it I am reading now.

https://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

>>2066425
>http://som.yale.edu/news/news/why-high-iq-doesnt-mean-youre-smart

>Muh ivy league school
>"An inarticulate man like Bush had a high IQ, therefore..."

Listen, virtually every single person in a high IQ job field has a high IQ. The predictive power of it is monumental.
High-IQ outliers who don't do much with their lives disproves jack-squat.

>>2066474
Some people with down's actually have high iq. You're right about the training though.

>>2066474
People on the higher end of down syndrome could easilly perform the function. If you have ever attended something like a down syndrome camp, keep an eye out for a few that will be ringleading their peers.

>>2066425
>bush was a retard meme
This isn't youtube and I don't care if he forgot the days in a month. He was an edgy af businessman that wouldnt wipe his ass with your brain.

>>2066489
>muh edumication
>muh stats

You, sir, give no proof to what you have stated. You have malignantly shitposted for this entire thread and offer zero proof for your accusations. I have offered an article properly cited and sources so that you could go as deep down this rabbit hole that has been around for one hundred plus years as you damn well please.

The proliferation of /pol/acks continually spouting ideology without facts serves /his/ no purpose. This thread was supposed to be about the importance of IQ in determining intelligence in a person, NOT about your racial biases. /pol/ inevitably attempts to inject the political fuel into even the smallest of fires.

>>2066520

You sure you meant to reply to me?

IQ Probably Measures “Intelligence”

Where should I even start?

We know that IQ tests measure intelligence because IQ tests correlate with peer and self rated intelligence. For instance, in Denissen et al. 2011 489 college students were divided into 20 groups which studied together for a period of one year. At the end of this year, subjects were asked to rate how intelligent their group mates were on a 7 point scale ranging from “not intelligent” to “very intelligent”. It was found that the better a subject did on an IQ test the smarter their group mates thought they were.

Palhusand Morgan 1997 found similar results and also showed that the correlation between peer rated intelligence and IQ increased the longer the peer knew the person being tested. They had 5 group discussion sections, and in the first section, found that in the first session, intelligence ratings were almost entirely a function of how much people talked. By the Fifth session, it was almost entirely a function of the person’s IQ – so talking a lot only increases perceived “intelligence” above IQ in the short term.

Similarly,Bailey and Hatch 1979 showed that intelligence rated by people’s close friends correlated with their IQ and Bailey and Mattetal 1977 found the same was true of spouses.

A significant body of research has also shown that IQ tests predict how intelligent people rate themselves as being (Paulhus, Lysy, and Yik 1998, ,Angelo and James 1977, and Reilly and Mulhern 1995). Clearly then, the smarter a person thinks they are, and the smarter their friends think they are, the better they tend to do on IQ tests.

So in summary, IQ tests predict life outcomes better than several factors commonly recognized to predict life outcomes, such as what your parents are like and how good your grades are. And IQ predicts one’s subjective perception of a person’s intelligence the longer you interact with them.

it is accurate to a degree

>>2066520

The American Psychological Association's report "Intelligence: Knowns and Unknowns" states that wherever it has been studied, children with high scores on tests of intelligence tend to learn more of what is taught in school than their lower-scoring peers. The correlation between IQ scores and grades is about .50. This means that the explained variance is 25%. Achieving good grades depends on many factors other than IQ, such as "persistence, interest in school, and willingness to study" (p. 81).[8]

It has been found that the correlation of IQ scores with school performance depends on the IQ measurement used. For undergraduate students, the Verbal IQ as measured by WAIS-R has been found to correlate significantly (0.53) with the grade point average (GPA) of the last 60 hours. In contrast, Performance IQ correlation with the same GPA was only 0.22 in the same study.[95]

Some measures of educational aptitude correlate highly with IQ tests – for instance, Frey and Detterman (2004) reported a correlation of 0.82 between g (general intelligence factor) and SAT scores;[96] another research found a correlation of 0.81 between g and GCSE scores, with the explained variance ranging "from 58.6% in Mathematics and 48% in English to 18.1% in Art and Design".[97]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient#Social_correlations

>>2066495
>>2066503
I'm sure there are some who are pretty much normal, but none of them can get over 100.
85-90 perhaps.

>>2066667
120 IQ has been seen before in several individuals.
It's a case by case basis

IQ is almost certainly a plot to categorize human beings into nice little boxes. Intelligence isn't even measured on arbitrary standards like that, it is cultivated through years of theoretical and explicative learning. Good luck trying to fix how you perceive society without some meaningless arbitrary judgment like IQ helping you.

>>2066948
Not without sources, no.

>>2066425
Bush was smart, he just wasn't a great speaker. You don't think it took him plenty of smarts to get to the presidency?

>>2067131
He really never showed any evidence of having much of an inner life, much intellectual curiosity or any particular respect for intellect in others. On top of being a very poor public speaker he was an inept administrator. When you're from a wealthy, very well-connected family with oodles of preexisting name recognition, I don't think you have to be particularly smart to become a somewhat successful politician, and when you're a somewhat successful politician, luck (and money) are just as important when it comes to securing the presidency as smarts.

I'm not saying he was as dumb as some people've claimed, probably average-to-slightly-above-average, but he was no genius. A class C+ dude elevated beyond his level by a solid class A father.

>>2066607
And yet studies by he NCES find the gap between blacks and white narrowing on several different categories on several age groups, indicative of impoverished families slowly being able to provide more potential to their child's ability to learn in school through more household capitol. This slow rate of change is likely due to the low economic mobility prevalent in the US.

https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pubs/studies/2009455.aspx

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>>2066276
>Work a minimum wage job and tell me how you think your manager measures your "performance"
What about all the data on all the other people who aren't oppressed, is that invalid too?

>>2065905
>>2065914
>>2066425
>>2066520
>>2066024
Since you're so sure of your anti-racist position, but can't refute IQ as a valid metric why don't you link to the blogs, articles and website that made you think so. Please send them the link to this website: http://thealternativehypothesis.org/

The authors are keen to have debates with people who claim to have debunked IQ, the existance of races, spout memes such as "the irish were considered not white"

>>2067253
>literal alt-right recruitment

No thanks.

I'll turn you away like I turn away all the religious nutters who tell me to repent in Christ.

>>2067230

What is specifically narrowing? Is the economic rise of the south factored into recent black prosperity? Do you factor in the absurd artificial job creation programs and preferential hiring?

I can see the white-black IQ gap narrowing due to admixture. Not much else, American blacks are multiplying at the bottom.

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>>2067314
What is narrowing is poverty among blacks.

>>2067314
>>2067352
*what is narrowing is grade gap due to decrease of poverty among blacks

>>2067352
>>2067359

What is preferential treatment in university admissions; Preferential hiring in bureaus, public services and publicly-owned corporations?

Minority business grants, and preferences in government issued contracts, and let's not forget self-imposed affirmative action by private companies.

You're raise out of poverty is due to meme economics. A lower median IQ will mean a less diversified labour force, and therefore low grade labour gluts.

Iq is the most empirical finding of psychology. It's reproducible and everything.

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>>2066007
>g.
the fuck is a g you retard, is it "psychology" or "psychometrics" or some shit
does "g" include """""""""""""""verbal"""""""""""""" IQ too, because that's the most environemntal shit you can imagine
>but iq correlates
yeah which way is the arrow going => , <= or <=> ?? is it in the womb, is it genes if so which genes and what proteins do they code for and which brain function do the proteins, which alleles bla bla, theres only 1 (not made up) gene accounting for over 1% iq DIFFERENCE significance i've seen posted and it was again just a fucking correlation

why are the fucking mexicans black tier if they are mostly euro + asian(amerindians came to america 10k years ago), why were the irish and are the balkans still lagging, why are palestinians who are genetically the same as ashk. jews not controlling all the banks(https://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Nebel-HG-00-IPArabs.pdf), why do women who have the same IQs are lagging, why do indians with their 80 iq have an ok country with a space program and nukes, despite being insanely multicultural, were colonized and all kinds of other bullshit
to reach your comfy conclusion about IQ being the end all be all you've had to make a dozen assumptions one after the other, probabilities of the assumptions multiplying on top of one another (look at the equation at this page if you don't know it or understand it then fuck off it's used in CS and math and physics not psychometry(https://www.scq.ubc.ca/the-murphys-law-equation/)
have you asked yourself why mainstream science hasn't said yes to the race war yet, no it's not le ((((jews)))) - they have good scientific reasons, maybe you ought to respect that - if they asked you about memes you'd be the expert

your shit is full of holes, you just don't know enough science or have enough skepticism to see the holes

pic related
WHITE POWER amirite, but no, muh creativity, super scientific and measurable because history started 400 years ago you see

>>>/pol/
or
>>>/sci/

This no longer has bearing in history or humanities.

>>2067047
>There is a third cause of Down's syndrome which is the much rarer mosaic variant, in which there is a mixture of trisomy 21 and normal cells

so less physical and cognitive issues

>>2067253
Everyone in the left just kill themselves slowly with prescription drugs and street drugs so it's a different type of issue going on in the left. They also have no jobs so big depression factor there

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>>2067730
it all depends on which stage of the very initial
zygote -> 2 cells -> 4 cells -> 8 cells etc the failed disassociation of the daugher cells happened so one of the daughers had 45 chromomes and died, while the other had 47 and lived on

you have down cells in your body, statistically speaking

ps
pic unrelated
white power btw

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>>2067743
Since IQ is not linear the difference between asians and whites AND whites and hispanics is about the same

fascinating, so here's another graph i downloaded from pol
>>2067709
IQ is humanities

>>2067749
Politics is /pol/

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>>2067751
this isn;t politics though, just proving the asian race is superior based on averages(deep purple places)

btw humans have fewer than 4 limbs on average, makes you think

>>2067755
It's race politics based on previous posts, it doesn't matter what veneer you place over it.

And of course it would, even if you have 99 people with 4 limbs and 1 person with 3 limbs, it would be 3.9 repeating or so, into math my friend.

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>>2067758
>And of course it would, even if you have 99 people with 4 limbs and 1 person with 3 limbs, it would be 3.9 repeating or so, into math my friend.
OH REALLY?

can't you see i'm being facetious with these posts, it's satire and argumentation at the same time

btw if you remove """""verbal IQ""""" which you should asians would be blowing whites even worse out of the water, what is going on

>>2067769
It's hard to tell with /pol/ sometimes.

I believe that it is a result of cultural differences, but we know so little on how the brain functions and develops it is foolhardy to say what it is atm.

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asian > wh*te > m*sl*m > nigger

>>2067253
Stop shitting up this board

>>2067774
It matters for athleticism and physical capacity however there is dissonance approaching cognitive determination it is accepted for dysfunction but not for functioning. heredity and cognitive aptitude have a correlation is .60 at the most conservative based on separated identical twins

>>2067779
>>2067769
>>2067755
>>2067749
>>2067743
>>2067687

Why did Asians evolve better genetics?

To appease the libtards. #notallasians are smart, yes yes etc.

I mean the statistical average.

>>2067811
Separated twins in the same culture/culture group or twins transported across the globe or...?

There is also the parent, as the parent would give off their culture and way of life to their children.

Also, do source your material whenever possible.

>>2067989
They found the unshared environment accounted for more variation. egalitarian have to play defense here.

>>2067047
>its not possible that a dumbass accidentally scores high on a puzzle by guessing

>>2065892
Yes because it doesn't take into account personality.

I scored 129, with comprehension peaking my score at 142. Although I'm a piece of shot that drinks too much and works for pennies.

I also drink a lot

>>2066027
Thats reverse applicable to a childs iq. Its still humiliating to take iq tests as an adult and meaningless.

>there are people who think negroes are equal to huwhytes
Boggles the mind.

>>2067846
Whites and Asians adapted to harsh cold environments where intelligence was required in order to survive. If blacks traveled to Eurasia before the other races, they would also have a high average IQ.

>>2067755
Christmas this map is a joke.

>>2067253
/pol/ pictures crack me up

beattyville is a small community of a little over thousand residents, view park-windsor hills is 10 times as large and a 5 minute drive from los angeles.

it baffles me how little /pol/tards think for themselves

>>2065892
Yes it is. I have a 142 iq, and I'm a two time college drop-out, and a shut in with almost zero social skills.

>>2065892

>Is IQ a spook?

No. As a predictive measure, it generalizes to numerous things, mostly to things we would expect it to, with a common statistical factor that can be gleaned from interrelating psychometric data (test scores, executive functioning measures, etc). It also has a high heritability (grounded in population statistics)

Beyond that, the construct is very vague and obtuse. The nitty gritty of what precisely that heritability means and perhaps doesn't mean can become dramatically complex, likewise with discerning exactly what 'g' is. As it stands, it is just useful data, something more about advantage and utility than any semblance the truth. The etiology behind intellect, g, or whatever seems to be very poorly understood

IQ is literally the best predictor of everything from quality of life to paychecks and high social ladder employment.

People who say IQ doesn't matter are deluding themselves.

>>2069159
Only up to a point. At higher levels, the correlation thins out.

>>2067192
Why not try learning about Bush rather than taking your facts from Buzzfeed?
He graduated from Yale and Harvard business school. He averaged about two books a week even while president.
Are you aware the folksy image is something all US politicians do to a certain extent? Only a true idiot thinks it actually real.

>>2069159

Lets not jump from that to saying that the latent factor of intelligence tests predicts life outcomes better than all other things possibly considered.

Psychometrics sucks in general. The fact that IQ tests amount to anything more than a faint signal in the noise is actually something spectacular. The measure is peerless, so contrasting it with mostly failed metrics in a way to compare and contrast characteristic virtues or essences is to commit serious folly

>>2069166
Sure, but it's still the best *predictor*.

Other variables matter of course, but if someone has a 140 IQ score, they are not going to be serving burgers for 40 years that's for sure.

>>2067687
IQ btfo

>>2069178
>than all other things possibly considered.

Such as?

>>2069208
where you are born, who your mom and dad is, who your peers are, when you were born, were you rich, in what environment were you born, which school you went to, did you have enough food, did you read as a kid, did your parents read books so on so forth

this >>2067687 post is right iq is crap

>>2069230
All of these things matter as a general rule.

But a person with 70 IQ score is not going to be nuclear scientist.

>>2069234
no

a nuclear scientist is not going to have an iq of 70

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>>2069230

Wow more denialism. Why are egalitarian wackos so anti science? Over a 100 year in research on IQ and congitive ability and those mongoloids think they can lie like that.

>Human intelligence is highly heritable.
http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v16/n10/abs/mp201185a.html
>IQ is 75% heritable among Whites.
http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf

>where you are born

Doesn't matter

>who your mom and dad is,

What matters is their genes

>when you were born

Irrelevant

>were you rich

Irrelevant intelligence is an innate ability determined by genes

>in what environment were you born

Doesn't have any effect

>which school you went to

IQ has nothing to do with education

>did you have enough food

Only relevant in cases of extreme malnutrition in early childhood not applicable to Western countries

>did you read as a kid

No effect whatsoever

>did your parents read books

This retard is messing correlation and causation. High IQ people read more books because they are intelligent not the other way around

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Here is a new PISA result

>>2069714
Well, at least we're better than Sweden.

>>2065892

its a silly method of '''quantifying''' cognitive performance that assumes intelligence is little else than the ability to solve abstract puzzles in limited time

often higher IQ scores come along with poor general performance, high IQ often just indicates a hiperactive intellect, which dosent necesarily make one 'smart', maybe intelligent, but thats not the same thing, lots of above average IQ types are practicaly autistic and rather incompetent

for a brain to work properly all sorts of functions have to not only develop, but also synchronise adequately, and while the potential for mental capacity is largely inherent, the actual development of that potential is more problematic

What the fuck does MENSA even do? Or any high-iq society?

>>2070028
They do get togethers where they hang out and solve puzzles.

>>2070028
Illuminati

>>2069786

>silly method

You know outright, categorical dismissive is just as stupid as people who dick wave it as the be all end all of intelligence measurements.

It has been strongly correlated to many positive life results including future income and happiness. Not an absolute thing but still a high level gauge of your ability.

>>2069159
No it's not. I'm disgusted that this freakanomics tier trash is even condoned here. Even children can study for the test beforehand.

>>2070040
>Wikipedia linked to a statistic once!!!
And there are also stats that say that happiness inversly correlates with wealth.

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Beat my score then if you are so smart

>>2065892
There are Holocaust deniers in Mensa OP. And it all boils down to being good at special test where you recognize patterns and whatnot. All meaningless if you don't accomplish anything of worth.

>>2065892
IQ is not a spook but despite what everyone says, it's HEAVILY dependent on previous levels of education, it's why shitholes in Africa have their average IQs in the 50s

>>2071032
Ništa ti to ne vrijedi ako ne odeš na pravi test :^)

>>2070059
>hurr if I type wikipedo that means facts become invalid!

Not an argument. Come back when you graduate high school.

>>2065892
IQ isn't meaningless, but its value is highly overrated. Knowing your score is pretty useless though. What are you planning to do with it except for joining Mensa?

I was measured as 104. There, I said it

>>2070059

>happiness inversely correlates with wealth

No it doesn't, it rises and peaks at a point then starts going back down due to other conflating factors

and look at you getting defensive and pulling in stats that are irrelevant to the discussion

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>>2071152

African countries are shitholes because their average IQs are in the 50s

the test is built to be as knowledge independent as possible

>>2071152
It's even more dependent on genetics than education.

A persons parents income correlates less with a persons IQ than that persons income correlate with their IQ.

>>2069714
I, for one, welcome our new asian overlords

>>2065892
The only thing that IQ measures is how well you can do on IQ tests.

>>2071248
Actually telling people is a negative regardless of score in most cases.

It's a neat tid bit if you are successful and drop the numbers as a little extra as you talk about your education or justifiable bragging but like say a neet or cashier and you mention you got a 120? It's gonna make you look much worse and sad .

>>2073737

False stop pulling crap out of your ass retard. There are diminishing returns for people that practice and take many IQ tests. How can you lie like that when we have over 100 years experience with IQ tests?

>>2073737

All forms of practice, coaching, re-testing, etc, improves results on standardized tests. The improvements are for the most part not dramatic - on average something like between a quarter and a half of a standard deviation, or 4 to 8 points on a typical IQ test

>>2073788
>>2073737
This is true. There are things that reappear on these tests - ideas and such. I am talking about pattern recognition though.

For verbal, well you probably have to read books and learn words. Mensa tests don't include verbal, am pretty sure.

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>>2073797

IQ tests are completely unbiased and neutral when it comes to prior knowledge or cultural exposure.

>>2073805
do you believe yourself, if you've never seen a 3d object drawn on a piece of paper, you'd be weirded out at first

>>2073805
I think someone who does a lot of papercraft would be good at this.

>>2073812
>>2073816

It's just pattern and visual-spatial recognition.

>>2073823
yeah but it proves my point in one more way, get the first one and the others are the same, just folding all of them

>>2073827

There is no evidence that practice leads to large improvements in test scores other than an initial predictable minor boost

>>2073835
maybe not "large", mr i'll call cardboard folding visuo-spatial special recognition, but it's obvious some of the patterns can be learnt, and you posting one of these yourself, without asking yourself beforehand is this one of those patterns - poor style

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"what is missing here" is another motive

>>2067687
First of all, I can tell you're low IQ by your writing style.

>the fuck is a g you retard
G (stands for general intelligence) is the measure of intelligence use in the psychological community.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics)

You know, I was gonna address your entire post but since you don't even know what g is and yet are still arguing about the subject of intelligence I can safely assume you know nothing about the subject, and the entire content of your post can thus be discarded as redditry.

>>2073873
>the fuck is a rhetoric question
Yes, do discard his post, instead of posting a refutation/excuse.

No, no address his points and questions one by one, I'm quite interested to see that.

>>2069179
130 IQ score here and I've been an unsociable NEET my whole life because of various neuroses and mood disorders. Only ever did the test once to prove some point on an anonymous imageboard :^)

>>2073995
was it an ONLINE test?

those are slightly easier due to the desire of the makers to push people into paying for a real mensa entry test