Can we agree the death sentences imposed on Alfred Jodl and Julius

>>2061390
Streicher was a deeply anti-Semitic cunt. Sure, it's no crime in and of itself to irrationally hate a group, but he quite gleefully used his position to encourage pogroms, and directly contributed to the atmosphere of hostility. A loudmouth and a nutjob who even other Nazis rolled their eyes at and kept a distance from. He was also obsessed with Jewish cucks (meanwhile being adulterous as fuck), no doubt it made him hard as diamonds.

He might have even escaped the gallows had he behaved a little more dignified and contrite. Instead he raved about Jews at every opportunity. Nothing of value was lost there.

Jodl wasn't a hardcore political Nazi or anything, but he did order the summary execution of ordinary soldiers (and irregulars, like partisans or political commissars). Quite clearly a war crime.

>play a leading role in the death of millions, your countryman included
>get killed
What a terrible and unjust world

i belive this falls under "talk shit get hit"

>>2061390
Streicher was literally hanged for shitposting.

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>>2061390
The Allies were butthurt SJWs who literally murdered a man for trolling.

>>2061698
Raising the stakes just furthers the cause of trolling

>>2061580
>war crime

Nice meme

>>2061814

Get hagued ToBH

>>2061814
Try the Breitbart comments section if you want a circlejerk.

Violation of the Geneva Convention, which Germany signed.

Besides that, it had long since been considered against decorum to execute the surrendered rank and file. Personally, it's hard not to have a little smirk at the thought of Bolshevik political commissars being shot, but it's still against the rules.

>>2061580
So Streicher's crime was... saying mean things about Jews?

Does that warrant capital punishment? Should anyone who says mean things about the CHOSEN PEOPLE be executed on the grounds of contributing to "an atmosphere of hostility"?

>>2061867
Streicher was hated by nazis for a reason, he was an insufferable cunt until the day he died

He took personal ownership of property seized by jews in a town he specifically called people to persecute, other nazi aprty members would've had him killed themselves if he wasn't bffls with Hitler, basically his only supporter for years until both their deaths

>>2061867
>So Streicher's crime was... saying mean things about Jews?
If you equal saying mean things with encouraging genocide than you won't be incorrect.

>Does that warrant capital punishment?
Yup, his ramblings led to evil of large proportions.

>>2061867
>Streicher's excesses brought condemnation even from other Nazis. Streicher's behaviour was viewed as so irresponsible that he alienated much of the party leadership;[12] chief among his enemies in Hitler's hierarchy was Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring, who loathed him and later claimed that he forbade his own staff to read Der Stürmer.

>Despite his special relationship with Hitler, after 1938 Streicher's position began to unravel. He was accused of keeping Jewish property seized after Kristallnacht in November 1938; he was charged with spreading untrue stories about Göring – such as alleging that Göring's daughter Edda was conceived by artificial insemination

> In February 1940 he was stripped of his party offices and withdrew from the public eye, although he was permitted to continue publishing Der Stürmer. Streicher also remained on good terms with Hitler.

>During his trial, Streicher claimed that he had been mistreated by Allied soldiers after his capture. By his account they ordered him to take off his clothes in his cell, burned him with cigarettes and made him extinguish them with his bare feet, allowed him to drink only water from a toilet, made him kiss the feet of Negro soldiers and beat him with a bullwhip. He further claimed that some of the soldiers also spat at him and forced his mouth open to spit in it.[15]


>During his trial, Streicher displayed for the last time the flair for courtroom theatrics that had made him famous in the 1920s. He answered questions from his own defence attorney with diatribes against Jews, the Allies, and the court itself, and was frequently silenced by the court officers. Streicher was largely shunned by all of the other Nuremberg defendants. He also peppered his testimony with references to passages of Jewish texts he had so often carefully selected and inserted into the pages of Der Stürmer.

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>>2061895
>During his trial, Streicher claimed that he had been mistreated by Allied soldiers after his capture. By his account they ordered him to take off his clothes in his cell, burned him with cigarettes and made him extinguish them with his bare feet, allowed him to drink only water from a toilet, made him kiss the feet of Negro soldiers and beat him with a bullwhip. He further claimed that some of the soldiers also spat at him and forced his mouth open to spit in it.

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>>2061918
Lmao owned

>>2061580

Partisans were not a protected class under Geneva until after the Second World War. The Germans were not obligated to treat Russian prisoners with respect as they did not sign onto the convention either. Not saying it was right, it was just what happened.

Did Hess deserve a life sentence?

>>2061669

The Jews couldn't handle Streicher's bantz, each more maddening then the next.

>>2061390
If you want undeserved, Yamashita didn't deserve his sentence.

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>>2061867
Clearly the Nuremberg Trial judges thought so, and they know more about legal proceedings and jurisprudence than you.

It was more than just 'mean things'. He made all sorts of crazy outlandish shit up (i.e. propaganda) and explicitly incited violence and persecution against Jews. Did so until the end of the war, too. He organized a few synagogue burnings, and even if other Nazis were quietly looting a gold tooth or work of art here and there, he was openly flaunting stolen goods. All the while acting like a loon. There's a reason he was sidelined. The fact Hitler liked him is the only thing that kept him around so long.

>>2062096
Perhaps not obliged to treat prisoners with respect, but it's kind of a long-standing tradition not to outright summarily execute thousands of rank and file soldiers. Granted, the Rooskies, Japs and others did it to from time to time (Katyn, etc.). Not like American soldiers ever ignored the Conventions either.

Jodl's actions were nonetheless against the Geneva Conventions which Germany itself HAD signed.

Hess probably didn't deserve a life sentence, no. But I'm not Jewish, so I'm sure there are differing opinions. We can put it down to the fact that the Soviets were being obstinate spiteful little ass hats. All the other Allied powers (who combined controlled Spandau) were basically OK with letting him out. Just not the Soviets.

>>2061580
>, but he did order the summary execution of ordinary soldiers

Wasn't that Wilhelm Keitel?

>>2062346
>OK with letting him out
>dies under contentious circumstances

>>2062979
Nigger he basically had a whole castle to himself. I might crash my plane in Scotland as well.

>>2062308
>made shit up and incited violence towards another race
By this logic half of the BLM agitators should be executed

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Talk shit, get hit.

Besides, if you were getting shot in the back of the head by the SS as a partisan, he wouldn't give two shits. No reason to extend him the courtesy.

>>2061580
Nothing you said about Streicher should warrant a death penalty.

>>2061877
>Streicher was hated by nazis for a reason,
I know.

In fact he was so useless he had absolutely no power in the Nazi government. He was just a guy who had a newspaper which published antisemitic cartoons.

So I'll ask again. Should posting anti-jewish memes be a capital crime?

>>2061895
What part of your post is the reason you think he should have been executed?

>>2062308
The soviet judge for the Nuremberg trials was the same judge who oversaw the Moscow trials during Stalin's great purge. Do you think he was an example of a good, unbiased judge?

>>2061887
>If you equal saying mean things with encouraging genocide than you won't be incorrect.
Sure, encouraging genocide is a pretty mean thing to say.

>Yup, his ramblings led to evil of large proportions.
So do you think that people who harbor communist sympathies should be executed? After all, they support an idea which led to evil of large proportions.

>>2061390
They were death sentences, so yes.

>>2062850
Him too.

>>2062979
There's some speculation that Soviets knew he was close to death (he was 93), and in the light of Glasnost, wanted to off him before they lost their chance to do so, or before he could die naturally. Or, alternatively, that British secret service conspired to have him murdered to prevent secrets (what would a guy locked up by himself for 40 years really know, though?)

I don't put much trust in conspiracy theories. He appears to have hanged himself, knowing he was already quite old, in failing health, with nothing to look forward to. It's not so unbelievable.

>>2063033
Not so fast, Trumpian nutsucker, because BLM haven't called for white genocide, nor for specific deaths, nor do they publish daily newspapers full of raving ranting conspiracy theories of crafty whites raping black women or conspiring to control the economy and keep the black man down (a 'Blackbart', if you will, does not exist)... though frankly, they might have a point or two if they did say such things.

There are some true nutjobs among BLM, but most supporters (it's a movement, not a membership-due political party) are garden variety civil rights-minded people. It is undeniable that the US is institutionally racist towards black people in particular.

>>2063042
Nuremberg Trial judges clearly disagree. Take it up with them.

Inciting hatred and mass murder is a serious enough crime, especially in light of y'know, the whole Holocaust and everything. Calling for people to be beaten, robbed and murdered and then driving around in their cars, wearing their jewellery and clothing, and not even trying to hide the fact, is a crime in any civilized place. It was also a crime under the 3rd Reich -- confiscated Jew stuff was state property, not for personal loot cellars. Streicher was punished for this during his time in power, too.

Streicher wasn't the worst of the bunch really, but he didn't aid his case by being such a loudmouthed cunt. Nothing of value was lost.

>>2063207
>The soviet judge for the Nuremberg trials was the same judge who oversaw the Moscow trials during Stalin's great purge. Do you think he was an example of a good, unbiased judge?
Not an argument. Show me where I or anyone said such a thing. Judges were from all victor countries. If the Soviet judges had had their way, every single plaintiff would have been hanged.

>>2063207
>Sure, encouraging genocide is a pretty mean thing to say.
More than that, it is a crime. If you disagree, then you should state the reasons you think so.

Not that same anon, but communists don't (and never did) call for the specific targeted deaths of one entire and particular ethnic group. False equivalency.

>kills a buncha Nazis
>lets Stalin and commies rape half of Europe for 50 years

GOOD FUCKING JOB ALLIES

THAT'S SOME EVEN-HANDED JUSTICE

>>2064584
>Not that same anon, but communists don't (and never did) call for the specific targeted deaths of one entire and particular ethnic group. False equivalency.

>defending Soviet communism as better than German Nazism

KILL YOURSELF NOW

Streicher could possibly of missed the noose and it wouldn't of been so bad...Jodl, hang that Nazi HIGH

>defeat your enemy and capture them after several years of brutal fighting and millions of lives lost
>y-yeah we're totally gonna give them a fair trial l-lol
inexperienced cunts

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>>2064939
>implying there was any element of 'let' in there
Try opening a history book, numbnuts. Maybe look up a thing called the 'cold war'.

>>2064942
One is not better than the other. They're both shit.

>>2064972
Better than what national governments (Polish, Soviet, Yugo, etc) did to any stray nazis they could find.

>>2064942
Well, the evil part of post-Lenin USSR was more "Russian imperialism" rather than "Soviet communism".

>>2061867
>So Streicher's crime was... saying mean things about Jews? Does that warrant capital punishment?

The act of saying mean things about Jews was not his crime in of itself. His crime was using his control over the media to create a propaganda machine for the Nazi government and broadcast these ideas to a large audience. If he hadn't been in control of one of the nations most popular newspapers, it wouldn't have been an issue.

If Streicher was just some antisemitic madman standing on the streets ranting incoherently about the jews and how they ruined everything, he would not be able to influence the population on a massive scale to support genocide. But, that's not the case. Streicher was in charge of the most widely read newspaper in the country. His paper held massive influence on the populace, and if Streicher and his paper were irrelevant, chances are the Holocaust would have most likely not be so widely supported or ignored in Germany.

>>2064574
>Not so fast, Trumpian nutsucker, because BLM haven't called for white genocide, nor for specific deaths, nor do they publish daily newspapers full of raving ranting conspiracy theories of crafty whites raping black women or conspiring to control the economy and keep the black man down (a 'Blackbart', if you will, does not exist)... though frankly, they might have a point or two if they did say such things.
>though frankly, they might have a point or two if they did say such things.
>It is undeniable that the US is institutionally racist towards black people in particular.

Wat

>>2065679
Lrn2English.

>>2064574
>it is undeniable that the US is institutionally racist towards black people in particular.

In what ways? I'll agree that drug laws are against them, primarily how crack will land you a bigger jail sentence than Cocaine. But their claims that cops that murder whites receive more punishment for cops that murder blacks is completely unfounded. Not too mention they question why cops are so aggressive when dealing with black people while ignoring the majority of cop killers are black. I think BLM really just divides the problem along racial lines when it's pretty obvious that it's a police brutality problem that affects all races.

>>2061895
>burgers made him touch black people as an insult

>>2064574
>It is undeniable that the US is institutionally racist towards black people in particular.
I deny it

Martyring himself would have been the happiest moment in his life. He got to take some heat away from the actual propagandists while being a nobody.

So from what I gather from this thread, Streicher deserved to be executed because
>he was an overall asshole
>he was fiercely antisemitic
>he ran a newspaper which might have contributed to antisemitic sentiment
>he deserved it anyway
>the judges of nuremberg are infaillable
>did I mention he was an asshole?

Not very convincing desu.

>>2066165
you forgot that he was a thief

>>2062308

Pfft...

Allies were no better than the axis in many ways. Americans literally decided to let Child murderers go because the murdered child in question happened to be black (emmett till). The Soviets starved millions of Ukrainians and raped and plundered in most of Eastern Europe.

Meanwhile Streicher gets hanged for using his free speech.

>>2061580
Except executing irregulars and partisans was permitted by the rules of war, and failure to carry oug the commisar and commando orders were punishable in german law

>>2062308
>Clearly the Nuremberg Trial judges thought so, and they know more about legal proceedings and jurisprudence than you.
Under that premise you might as well justify Roland Freisler's trials. He knew more about legal proceedings and jurisprudence than anyone here either, doesn't change that he led political show trials for the Nazi regime.