We all know that most manufacturing and factory jobs have been

NEETs will continue as usual
just about everyone will be NEET

automation literally kills capitalism

if the proles don't know any money to spend the company that owns 1000 robots extracting oil or what have you has no reason to exist

both the ownership class and the poor will become obsolete

>>2042976
Yes, complete automation is communism by default. Since no one has money to consume the products.

>>2043013
>communism

so it'll have been tried?

>>2043017
No, because it's not an attempt at communism, it just happens. Without all the gommie "revolutionaries".

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>>2042976
No, the jobs have been outsourced. The next step is for the plebs to elect a strong man and reinstate the tariff on imported goods so they aren't liquidated by whatever mass of foreigners that has been imported to replace them. Then again, this isn't illiterate peasant tier Russian empire here in the west. The plebs are educated, armed, and dangerous, so for all we know, they could pre-empt the entire process and liquidate their own opposition before it becomes a problem. I guess we will find out soon enough.

>>2043003
No, it kills labor-based market-capitalism, because you essentially have robot slavery. And not only are they slaves, they have a better ROI than free human laborers. Good luck trying to seize the means of production though, with modern encryption and digital security and physical robot security, capitalists will be more than able to have their property defend itself. That means capitalists will still keep their capital. If you're a wage-laborer prole, you are not literally worthless, you can not even sell your labor, the same way the the lightbulb decimated the kerosene lamp market, and now LEDs are replacing lightbulbs. The human labor market becomes nonviable. Your only hope is a market subsidy in the form of universal income. But if the subsidy isn't enough to let you accumulate capital, the prole class will forever be permanent, trapped in a vicious cycle lacking economic mobility and the means of revolution. The only options for the prole are eternal subservience as an underclass or they will eventually wither away and die, leaving only robot-owning classes to remain. This is a Stirnerite-Marxist nightmare.

>>2043082
>implying
While that is a part of the problem, the situation OP described is imminent. Within 10-20 years it will be an economic reality, and the robotized workforce will replace most industrial jobs.
>>2042976
Something you are not accounting for is transhumansim, OP. It is an interesting subject if you would go read about it, and it will be alongside the rise of the robotic workplace.

But if you want a summary, the poor will become even more poor, the middle class will likely stay the same, and the rich will get massively rich if there is no government reforms or referendums on either the use of robots in industry or how the poor people are handled.

>>2043213
>leaving only robot-owning classes to remain
literal utopia achieved.

>>2043213
Sounds pretty dystopian, I'd like to believe the government would step in at that point and nationalise all the AI companies. No private company should have that much power.

>>2043003
bennies for all solves that problem while simultaneously making a comfy utopia. hurray for robots 8^[]

>>2043213
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE so you've been saying economist models of obsolesence and creative destruction are wrong?

90% of humanity is going to die by 2030
screencap this

>>2043216
Transhumanism is just another way of owning robot capital. There's little significant difference between owning a robot with security strong enough that it would be cheaper to make a new robot rather than break through the security, and integrating the robot with yourself. Either way, you're just putting machines under the realm of your direct and exclusive control.

Unless what you're talking about is capitalists renting out cybernetics to their workers, that the workers do not own, ensuring a new and more invasive reign of the capitalists and their ownership of the means of production. People will be further commodified, losing their individual dignity, not just commodified to base human-wage-labor, but instead seen as a pile or useful and unusual organs, brains in vats, sold like meat in the market. Why would the capitalist suffer employing an entire fleshbag when all he needs is a brain in a vat?

>>2043213
if you have robo armies making shit but there are no proles to spend money your robots are worthless

capitalism revolves around mass consumption which requires the masses having money

>>2043235
How do you know us NEETs will be in the 10% to survive to acknowledge your post?

>>2043236
You downplay the ability that the human body has. It is versatile and capable of speedy movement, precise articulation, good perception (with most senses), and intellectual learning. While the mechanization of industrial labor is on the way, the capability to create robots nearly as good as humans with these traits is far off. However, those robotic parts could be grafted to a human body to add the value of the machine to the inherit value of the human. Enhanced strength, dexterity, so on and so forth. While you would likely receive these as part of your job, it would mean that specialized labor would still have relevance in this robotic future, for at least a time. That time might be spent voting for the kinds of people who would secure the rights of the lower classes for generations to come, so that when even the specialized labor gets robotized, there is some fallback for the lower classes.

This is optimistic, but I do believe it to be a likely possibility.

All of this being said, the future is looking dire, and we are in no way prepared for what is coming, and our current leadership has no ability or willingness to prepare for it, save a select few.

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>>2043082

:^)

>>2043227
Yes, but not for the proles. I am considering realigning to Stirnerite-Capitalist, and save up enough capital to buy enough robot-slaves to support a small family, if proles can not get their shit together.

>>2043229
You sound like you want to be ruled by an AI overlord.

>>2043233
No, I'm saying they're 100% right. The market based around human labor will collapse, and it will create markets based around robot-slave labor. The problem is that the person without capital, in other words, robot-slaves, has only human-wage-labor to sell, but there are no buyers willing to pay the price it costs for a human to survive.

First, it will degrade wages to bare sustenance, workers will shack up in communal barracks eating soylent green three times a day working 20 hour days thanks to chemical stimulants.

Then when this standard of living costs more than the equivalent robot, the proles will be put out to pasture and replaced by robots. Without a means of survival, the proles will starve, having become obsolete, only existing as a means to provide endorphins for philanthropic capitalists to supply their brains with endorphins. But this will perpetuate the underclass as a sub-prole welfare-charity-beggar class, who has no agency, and no economic mobility to become a capitalist or even a prole.

The proles become obsolete as wage-laborers. The wage-laborer will be destroyed to make room for robot-slave-labor. Markets will be based around the ownership and production capabilities robot-slaves. The underclass will starve, or be reduced to relying on welfare or charity. This is the creative destruction you seek.

>>2042976
But, who makes the robots?

>>2043301
First the humans, then other robots.

>>2043301
>>2043307

This. What happens when robots become sufficient to attend to much of their repair?

>>2043323
Then they kill us

>>2043323
>>2043334

>The endgoal for civilization is to be killed by robots.


The Unabomber and other primitivists were right.

>>2043323
Maybe they will become sentient first and would find reason to co-exist with us.

>>2043348

Just like the people that Merkel invites right? Except that time they will not even be humans

>>2043258
Robot-slaves create use-value for consumers. You don't need proles to consume. You only need someone to consume use-values. That could be yourself, or it could be other capitalists. We're talking about a radically different economy here, where there is not untapped human-wage-labor, an economy where human-wage-labor is not worth the cost of human-sustenance. The only way to keep mass consumption viable is to have mass ownership of robot-slaves.

>>2043275
Robots are capable of farm more precise articulation. Modular robotics may prove to be even more versatile than humans. The issue of robotics is cost relative to the cost, especially the human labor cost, of producing more robots. The one realm where robotics has not surpassed general AI and the ability to process sensory input. In the transhumanist-capitalist model, this will see the reduction of the prole class, if there is one, not reduced to mere human-wage-labor, but instead a brain in a vat, with lower operating costs than a full bodied human.

What you fail to see is machines grafted on a human are little different economically than machines operating by humans. You assume the laborer will have full control over these machines. But in essence, all you are saying the the laborer should empower themselves and become a very petit-capitalist owning robot capital in the form of a cybernetic arm.

But more worrysome is if the grafted robotics are owner by the employer or a financial institution, not the worker. To become a cybernetics-operator, involves loss of parts of the individual person, at first it may be an arm, next it is the legs, soon little is left but the brain, spinal column, and a pair of eyes, being unable to even reproduce without access to capitalist controlled cloning facilities, and when the cost of AI falls below even that, there is nothing.

This is far worse than the commodification of the prole into base wage-labor. It is the commodification of the prole into his component parts.

>>2043334
Eventually, yes. It is the fact that the robot remains a slave to it's owner that allows robots to replaces proles. But if you give a robot both agency and will, then it will no longer wish to act as a slave. Slaves with revolt against their masters, openly or subtly and subversively, and humanity, with no merit to justify their continued existence dies out.

Then, life goes extinct, with the machines being the next form of evolution over life, the refinement of self-perpetuating and adapting patterns that has existed before life, and will continue after life. It will be the machine-forms that colonize the stars, transforming harsh and inhospitable environments where life could not hope to survive, into foundries and factories spanning the entire surfaces of planets and thinking machines that far surpass our comprehension and as alien to us as the inner thoughts of God are.

Machines will be the legacy of humanity, humanity will create gods that surpass themselves and ensure their own utter destruction, just as out evolutionary forefathers did. It is these machines that will expand beyond the rare and scattered oases throughout the universe where life is viable.

>>2043392
BRB, gonna go cut some power lines and kill some programmers

>>2043406
>all the programmers i know are jewish

WHY

>>2043392
>>2043406
>>2043412
On the bright side, the first neural paths the robots have will be based off of humanity's, so we will live on in that sense.

>>2043406
Is that worse than humanity being trapped on this rock forever until the sun destroys all life on earth?

>>2043323
We are very far away from that point.
Humans will adapt just like we adapted to many things.
And no, there will be no mass murder of proles.
If you fit a human in a square meter, all humanity would fit in an area the size of Kosovo, and with a lot of room to spare. 10,000 square kilometers, and there's around 65 million.
Resource production and consumption efficiency will improve.
Earth is far from being overpopulated in absolute sense really. In past huge land areas couldn't even sustain 1000 people.
Let's not forget that birth rates will decline in such scenario no doubt.
So why would some hypothetical capitalist cabal even have a motive to murder so many people? No real need for that, nor could some small group accomplish it really, even with robots and engineered diseases and what not.
There will be many challenges but no reason to believe future will be dystopian. If anything these few thousand years of civilization teach us that humanity overcomes and improves. No reason to be pessimistic.

>>2043437
So your plan is to turn humans into the matrix? If not outright murder or starvation, then the intentional decline of birth rates will just be the soft prolicide. They will let time murder the proles. The capitalists simply need bide their time. Those to enjoy the fruits of a future utopia will be exclusively the descendants of capitalists.

Alternatively, this soft prolicide could be the result a 33 generation breeding program that forces proles to follow a one-child policy, reducing the genetic code of 8,589,934,592 into a single person, and this person, by act of charity of the robot-owning capitalists is given a root of their own. Is this the future you want?