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With the world as connected as it is now, is it likely that the world may never develop a new widely-spoken language again?
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What you need is commitment and reason. Attempts to spread things like Lojban, Esperanto, etc. have all failed because there was no cultural incentive to adopt. It was a zero sum game and most people would rather not learn a new language and rely on others doing the same.

Your best bet would be to create conlang people are passionate about. Something fueled by a fictional universe. There's no shortage of geeks who learn Tolkein's Qenya, or the language from Avatar, or Dothraki.

As a fiction-writer I've wanted for some time to develop a con lang but work/school keep leaving me with too little time. I've thought about this a lot.

The best I ever came up is a couple of systems of fictional digits. That was fun.
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>>2041787
>I know little of linguistics
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>>2041787
>pic

Except that's fucking retarded, because it is always and only socialists who make MUH SCOTSMAN arguments, I've never met a fascist who denies Mussolini and Hitler were fascists.
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>>2041562
>is it likely that the world may never develop a new widely-spoken language again?
Depends on your future. I hold a similar view as John Gray, the pessimistic view of humanity.
In such a case, I think the dynamics that led to Spanish, Arabic and English being widely spoken could reemergence.
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does anyone on this board seriously believe whatever is going to be spoken a thousand years from now will be the same as it is today?
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>>2041787
Artificial languages are a pathetic joke.
>>2041562
We already speak English. I don't see why would it stop being lingua franca in the future.
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>>2041796
What are you even talking about

>>2041793
Elaborate. greentexting how little I know but not offering any solutions or suggestions is reveals nothing other than how smug you are in the supposed knowledge you have (yet continue to withhold).

I didn't claim to know much about linguistics, btw. I freely admit that I don't. I've learned little bits in between all the other things I try to care about. Oh well.

All I said was that the masses don't learn fabricated languages because there's no short term incentive. It relies too much on the kindness and eagerness of others.

Why learn an "internationalist" language like Esperanto, is what people tell themselves, when you know others probably aren't going to bother to do the same? The whole point of language has always been communication. The game has always been played in such a way that the burden of learning is placed on the visitor (to the nation or locale. When in Rome...).

These are observations of how people have behaved, not unsubstantiated claims about linguistics, which I freely admit to know little/nothing about.

So yeah. Elaborate.
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>>2041562
do you mean develop a new language from nothing or make an existinging language a lingua franca that isn't already?

if the former, that hasn't happened naturally in a loooong time and will not happen again

if the latter, it is likely that english will stay the "global language" because people are used to it, and are investing their resources into english education etc. it is certainly possible for this situation to change, dominant languages have always shifted with political/cultural power throughout history, but it would need a big global shift in ideas and politics
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>>2041807
>does anyone on this board seriously believe whatever is going to be spoken a thousand years from now will be the same as it is today?
I think most people here are ignorant of linguistics, so possibly.

I think that even if government agencies would do their most to suppress any change it would most likely still change.
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>>2041808
>Artificial languages are a pathetic joke.

Ok.
Lots of people like pathetic jokes, is the thing. People like Klingon, Qenya, Dothraki, Na'vi, etc.

People like fiction that pushes boundaries and has a lot of work put into it.

You might not, but you are a mean-spirited bitter little autist and not anyone's target demographic
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>>2041828
>Elaborate.
Language isn't only about communication, social dynamics play a large role as well as identity.
Artificial languages are unlikely to come organically unless people with high prestige speak it and others start to mimic them.

But I am a dilettante when it comes linguistics, so even I know not enough.
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>>2041848
>obsesses over some made up bullshit from pop culture
>call me an autist

This is why no one likes you obnoxious virgins.
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>>2041848
>People like Klingon, Qenya, Dothraki, Na'vi, etc.
But don't you see those are niche languages of, um, niche groups?
I doubt a Klingon speaker uses Klingon with his neighbors or, say, at work. And I really doubt these groups have the prestige and influence to make others copy their language.

Who knows, we might see a word from those imaginary languages become a kind of standard in, say, English. But even that seems to stretch things.
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>>2041864
Yep. Pop culture makes people money. It's an entire culture of arbitrary shit that contributes nothing. Just like sports, pornography, competitive eating, literature and sculpture.

Love it or hate it, obsessing over pointless shit is a huge part of the economy.

Remember that in your initial post you basically reiterated my own point to me (that a main reason people don't let auxiliary languages become the lingua franca because it requires too much work). The only nuance I added to this was that if it were to work at all (it won't) it would be because of pop culture.

>>2041851
>unless people with high prestige speak it and others start to mimic them.

Pop culture has high prestige in western culture. For better or for worse.

>>2042016
>But don't you see those are niche languages of, um, niche groups?
People in the mainstream regularly like and geek out of this shit. They may not take it to the obsessive level of actually learning it, but humans in the future are going to have more leisure time in general to do pointless cultural exercises. I imagine there will be economic incentive for creating new languages, too (corporate and state secrecy being one).
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