About nazi concentration camps, there are two ideas that clash.

Both

>>2037090
They are in opposition, you can't have both be the primary goal.
One was the goal, and the other was a tool to achieve that goal.

>>2037094
In the US, both are the accepted stories.

The nazis rounded up all the jews and undesirables. Tool the able bodied ones and worked them to death, and the elderly, sickly and children and gassed them immediately. Thats holocaust education in the US. The schools dont teach the logistics of the holocaust. They ignore the fact that industrial mass murder was a huge waste of reaources. In school, we were taught. The SS rounded up te jews, put them on trains, sent them to camps. At the camps, you went to the left to work, you went to te right to die.

jews/communists were only purposely killed by ss soldiers during the initial part of the invasion of russia in order to nullify the chances of communist/jewish subversion (the party used the racial rhetoric to garner support)

the gas chambers were iffy, not alot of evidence for mass murder. most of the jewish people murdered were by firing squad. They started getting really pragmatic near the end of the war.

>>2037080
The first one is the mainstream idea.
The second one is more practical and makes more sense to me, personally.

>>2037111
>and the elderly, sickly and children and gassed them immediately.
But weren't there children in some of the camps?

>>2037118
This.

Imo it's more feasible that the majority of Jews that died during the war were killed by Einzatsgruppen during the invasion of the Soviet Union

>>2037094
And listen, the nazis were absolute idiots when it came to managing the war.

The original policy for the jews before Barbarossa was resettlment. The nazis were unironically looking into shipping them either to a colony in madagascar where they could live freely under an SS "governor" of sorts, or shipping them wholesale to palestine.

When Barbarossa happened, it all went to hell. To add to the original population of jews living in the general government of poland, the Germans now had MILLIONS of additional jews, undesirables and soviet POWs to tend to. Originally the policy for the soviet POWs was starvation, which killed hundreds of thousands in these fenced transit camps when they were captured. However, diseases spread quickly in the camps and even german soldiers were getting sick. The reality of the war economy of the time was that the germans couldnt feed the people at home, in the occupied territories, the soldiers, POWs and Jews in camps. It was a nightmare. The germans had barely enough food to feed the foreign workers and slaves working inside germany in the arnmamentd industry.

This is why the Industrial mass murder theory is more believable. Because it was more efficient to just kill them, then to keep them alive till the war was over and then resettle them.

>>2037141
But many thousands and tens of thousands of socialists, jews and homosexuals lived in the big german cities, and owned businesses and homes and had money in the bank.
These were arrested, and their property and businesses confiscated (stolen by the state, really) and they were sent to work in camps.

It isn't entirely pragmatic to have surgeons, dentists and university teachers move rocks, just so you can sell their apartments to pay for a few more soldiers to go east.

>>2037080
It werent so labor-oriented, in limit of payback. Main idea was just to lock unreliable men. Jews were massively pushed abroad, but Britain and USA were blocking massive migration (accident of ship St-Lois, migration policy of British Palestine, etc).

>>2037134
Concentration camps, these were usually german, western european jews.

The eastern europeans were almost totally murdered and executed within arrival at the camps

i have a question about the homosexuals and roma people. Most cases i hear about these people getting murdered is because they had strong marxist beliefs. Did they murder homosexuals because they were homosexual? or because they were communist? There were plenty of gay nazis.

>>2037218
The people in labor camps were all people who were believed to genetically pollute the general population, all political criminals, and all prisoners of war.

So a homosexual could be jailed for his expression of sexuality, or political views, or race, or a combination of these.

Also if you look at the pictures of prisoners in Auschwitz museum, a lot of them are visibly mentally retarded. You know the type, you can tell they are autistic, the unfitting mongoloid traits on a white european face.
So retards were also undesirable, and also sent to camps. I don't know if they parents gave them up willingly, if the parents were also forced to go to camps, and so on, you will have to research it.

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>>2037080
Everything you know about them is complete propaganda constructed after the fact.
Concentration camps were the German interpretation of a joint Soviet-German exercise to remove targeted dissidents and generate a disposable free work force out of state-prisoners.

What you know as a "concentration camp" was the German-ized counterpart to the soviet gulag system. Germans were simply more efficient and organized in their effort, and thus much easier to demonize after their 'defeat' in WWII.

Western educations have prevented people from understanding the incomprehensible scale of this war, and the unique needs it generated. Concentration camps performed vital functions like relocating factories into completely subterranean facilities. The factories were war-critical producers of nuclear weapons, jet engines, vehicles and weapons.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mittelwerk

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauthausen-Gusen_concentration_camp

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weingut_I

the workers there, by necessity were disposable.

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>>2037234
>Concentration camps were the German interpretation of a joint Soviet-German exercise to remove targeted dissidents

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>>2037234
show me some pictures of a gulag that looks similar to this

show me proof that gulags rounded up prisoners into chambers and gassed them

>>2037821
Gulags were just prisoner labor camps.
The issue is that you could become a prisoner for random reasons, not that prisoners were forced to work (for which they actually got paid, so when you are released from the gulag you have money in your pocket and don't return to life of crime or ""crime"").

>>2037141
>imo

Why do you think your opinion has any more value than the tons of research that were done on the subject ?