The most successful societies till today were homogeneous, patriarchal

>>2037022
explain. which civilizations are you specifically referring too?

>>2037032

all of them who survived enough to be historically relevant

>>2037022
Expansionist cultures are actually pretty fucking dogshit and prone to collapsing. Case in point, Rome.

>>2037039
like what?

>>2037042
/thread

>>2037042
lel

thats like saying tall buildings are shit because they're going to eventually need to be demolished

>>2037042

they collapsed because they diverged from their qualities

see the USA pre and post racial segregation policies

>>2037052
If you aren't an isolationist you're pretty much a cuck, sorry buddy.

>>2037052
The moment you turn expansionist / imperial is the moment your culture becomes a cesspit. It's inevitable and the US actually only illustrates that.

>>2037052
Rome was like a tall building full of feces and vomit.

>>2037022
>were homogeneous
Define homogeneous.

>>2037066

you can be expansionist while maintaining your homeland intact by exploring other people

>>2037071

religion,culture and race

>>2037022
France got some wide mutlicuturalism before the revolution, then procced to ethnonice their country into France.

>>2037022
They made themselves homogeneous via assimilation. See China, Rome (for a while at least), America, France (still trying to do it with people from colonists, but they succeeded in snuffing out regional differences)

>>2037081
You cannot. It literally never happened.

>>2037022
Is that why the Middle East is so much more successful than the West?

>>2037089

gonna have to back those claims

>>2037022
>homogeneous
>dominant-expansionist

>>2037096

Which cultures did the muds conquer?

they just killed each other

>>2037096
>Middle East
>homogeneous

>>2037081
then you need to keep your guard against rival powers and engage in multiple wars and conspiracies, see Spain vs England

>>2037093

were the British isles much multicultural during the British empire?

>>2037096
kek

and you've already triggered whitey

>>2037022
>The most successful societies till today were homogeneous, patriarchal and dominant-expansionist (cooperation with lesser cultures is a bad practice)


>prove me in the wronging

China is the oldest civ wich still exists. They are expansionostic but not to expansionistic they are more introverted.

Women have the same rights and duties.

But the mandarines are very rigid and have a 0 tolerance to betrayal and any intrusions from outside.

>>2037042
Rome lasted hundreds of years though. Seems pretty successful to me.

Just because they aren't still around now doesn't mean they were a failure.

>>2037022
List all your "successful societies" to start normal discussion.

>>2037110
Of course.

>>2037114
The empire was the decaying stage though, Spengler explains this pretty well.

>>2037093
It can and it has happened all the time. The whole point of expansionism is to expand. That is not even possible without maintaining your own identity.
>>2037096
The Middle East is hopelessly divided by culture, religion, and nation, Bringing up this region nly supports the point of OP.
>>2037042
You clearly dont know shit about the expansionism policy of Rome.

>>2037123
And even that took hundreds of years.

>>2037115

I'm gonna have to list every civilization in history that had any relevance at all

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>>2037098
Here is a map of all french dialect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_France
>At the time of the French revolution in 1789 it is estimated that only half of the population of France could speak any French, and as late as 1871 only a quarter spoke French as their native language

Most people didn't speak french as their native language in France until relatively recently.

>>2037135
If your legs are rotting slowly instead of falling apart overnight does this mean you're okay?

>>2037022
>prove me wrong

USA, China

/thread

>>2037022
The most successful society is the current western one that pushed nation-statehood, liberalism and capitalism to the confines of the Earth.. It is far more dominating and it has expanded farther and wider than any other before. All without a trully concerted effort.

>>2037127
>Britain
Became a multicultural shithole

>Rome
Became a multicultural shithole

>USA
Became a multicultural shithole

>Spanish empire
Became a multicultural shithole

>France
Became a multicultural shithole

You're just as fucking retarded as the communists who will try the same shit over and over and be baffled over getting the exact same results each time. The only way to preserve your race and your culture is isolationism, period.

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>>2037142

that just proves my point further

when was France the most powerful again?

>>2037123
>The empire was the decaying stage though
Republicans get out REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I actually feel pax romana was the apex of Roman society and Caesar was the best chance to curb the corruption of the Senatorial class and bring much needed agrarian reform to the people of Rome.

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>>2037166

Japan stood still tho

>>2037166
You tagged the wrong post to reply to, I presume?
>>2037162
Are you referring to the society that is collpasing before our own eyes and that is in a precarious state of identity crisis?

>>2037174
Read Spengler.

>>2037181
And it now in worse shape than even any of those countries listed

>>2037174
>utter disregard for law
>despotism and personality cults
>corrupt as fuck
>degenerate, decadent and carnal as hell

Says a lot about you if you consider this to be the apex.

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>>2037206

Japan is a-okay

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>>2037110
English culture, Welsh culture, Scottish culture, and Irish culture were all distinct cultures speaking different languages with distinct Churches, although these days they're all pretty similar.

If they had been separate nations rather than united, only the English Empire would have had small influence, with the Scottish Empire dying due to debnts, and the Welsh and Irish never forming an Empire.

Multiculturalism between different European cultures is still multiculturalism, and if they had not united into a multicultural union they would not have been as hugely successful.

>>2037022
>The most successful societies till today were homogeneous, patriarchal and dominant-expansionist

Doesn't the country you're posting this from directly contradict that?

USA is not homogeneous, not patriarchal and not dominant expansionist.

>>2037259
How the fuck would you know if he's posting this from the US?

>>2037241

when there's a clear power unbalance you can't call that relation a "union"

the lesser cultures were assimilated by the english

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>>2037259

I didn't say that modern USA was any of that


and I'm Brazilian

>>2037181
Because they had a real empire for what, 20 years? Even so they got a million Koreans and half-flips are not a rare sight.

>>2037291

technology makes so smaller time spans can produce as much transformations as bigger periods of time

>>2037259
And is already on its decline. The USA was at its greatest when it was more homogenous.
America is a case in point that a non homogeneous society just becomes more and more fractured.

>>2037168
When an italian join them and their multiculture to form a merry empire while assimilating the jew?

>>2037022
Humanity has always organised itself along economical opportunities that were, in turn, dictated by environmental factors and technological advancement. Patriarchy fit a level of development in which every means to create value for the society (hard agricultural work, killing others for theirs) was done infinitely better by men due to biology. Dominant expansionism was a good model until bilateral trade started to yield better economic results in the long run. Homogenity is a factor that is up to discussion.

>>2037365

>join

they were co-opted

>>2037208
>utter disregard for law
Laws were bad anyway.
>despotism and personality cults
It worked.
>corrupt as fuck
Same as before.
>degenerate, decadent and carnal as hell
It was like this the longest time, if anything they got more pruddish as they continued to decay after Christianism (not saying Christianity caused the decay, they were already decaying).

Greatest peace within borders in ages, greatest growth in territory and wealth, they got to enjoy commodities such as an excelent road system, a postal service, a police service, a firemen service, etc.

>>2037321
You say that like the Japanese empire didn't coexist with the European empires for the duration of its existence.

>>2037196
All societies collapse, just like all living beings die. These aren't measures of success.

>>2037403

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sakoku

>>2037400
So basically the modern USA.

>>2037329
Why does it become fractured?

Switzerland

Relevancy is an overrated meme

>>2037447
Every racial, cultural and ethnic group have their own political agendas. You got republicans where there are conservatives, libertarians, christians, pro-israel jews, anti-communist/socialist latinos from socialist countries,etc. Same with the democrats where you got labor unions, progressives, feminists, etc.

What I think OP means is that if everybody would become WASP with the same job of raising cattle in the Western frontier then most people's political struggles would be the same. Now you got every specific group with their own problems and solutions to their problems which doesn't allign well with other groups.

>>2037803
Now that I think about it scap racial, cultural and ethnic group. Most disuputes people have is because they have another sort of jobs. The problems farmers in the Mid-West face aren't the same as the problems factory workers have in the Rust Belt and those aren't the same as the tech companies in Silicon valley and not the same as the banks/financial institutions that are situated on the east coast.

>>2037042
>Most stable empire of all time
>Lasted from early antiquity to the high middle ages

Case and point, chumps.