Was the french revolution more important than the american one?

>>2032827
It's not.

>So why is it sometimes considered as more important?

I suggest you read more about the French Revolution and its impact on Europe as a whole for the next 100+ years.

>French revolution
>Failed
Yeah, I don't see many nation-state republics about.

Oh wait.

>>2032827
>french revolution failed
What the fuck? Are we still living in feudalism?

>>2032827
because it challenged the idea of divine right, and created a nation state, a lot of European History was impacted by the Revolution

>>2032827
>the french revolution failed
no, it did not. would love to heard you argue why it did.

furthermore, neither revolution was carried out with an eye to making a global superpower. pretty stupid criteria OP.

>>2032845
>>2032848
French revolution ended with guillotine and the despotic rule of Napoleon. It failed, the kings got their power back. As for feudalism, it would have ended anyways.

What did the revolution accomplished that the american one had not done already?

>>2032839
This: the American revolution resulted in one stable country, the French Revolution wound up changing the entirety of Europe.

>>2032865
Maybe not, but the founding fathers created a pretty stong and stable government. Thanks to this, the USA is now the most powerful country in the world. Its political regime didn't change once, compared to the european ones.

Ultimately, the american revolution was way more important than the french one.

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>>2032870
>the kings got their power back
They didn't. Absolutism ended in 1815
>despotic rule of Napoleon
The fuck am I reading

>>2032892
>Ultimately, the american revolution was way more important than the french one.

so i want you to consider the effects of the American revolution, and the effects of the French revolution, and now I want you to imagine a situation where one happened and the other didn't

you honestly believe that the American revolution was more significant than the French one?

>>2032892
the USA's power and insane growth arguably comes more from its geography more than its government. they are in pretty unique position on the globe which benefits them absolutely massively. furthermore the europeans killing each other drove american power too, and this had nothing to do with the american revolution.

i also think you are overrating the founding fathers. they were definitely smart and visionary men, but ultimately they left a government that, while strong, was flawed with questions unanswered that ultimately resulted in the civil war.

>>2032898
seriously man, it blows my mind how many people misunderstand napoleon as just another warlord. nobody did more to consolidate the gains of the french revolution than he.

>>2032937
>the USA's power and insane growth arguably comes more from its geography more than its government.
The USA defeated many powers in order to establish their supremacy. The United Kingdom first, France, Mexico, the confederate states, Spain...so no, it's not only geography.

>>2032959
i didn't say it was only geography, i said it was a major part. in any case, your response is a bit besides the point as it doesn't really address my point, nor your original issue of government/revolution. you've turned it towards warfare in some weird non-sequitur

>>2032959
>The United Kingdom first, France, Mexico, the confederate states, Spain
>France
What, France is litteraly the best ally of the USA.
Also it's the french and their spanish bitch that defeat the UK.

>>2032959
>UK
America defeated the United Kingdom with the help of Spain and France. In 1812 he kicked their asses
>Spain XIX century
In full imperial heyday, of course
>Mexico
You had three times their population
>France
???????

>>2033013
>>2033023
Quasi war.

Since you basically don't want to acknowledge the challenges the USA overcame, I see no point in this discussion.

>>2033081
Surviving is an achievement I recognize from the United States, but nothing more, its space race, war on drug trafficking and terrorism was a total failure.

Oh and making movies to get all the credit in World War II It's a real achievement, you should be proud

They lost the battle but won the war. The ideals of the French revolution soon became those of Europe all over.

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>>2033081
>unironically bringing up the quasi war
wew lad

anyways, you seem to want to to measure political accomplishments by success in war, which is retarded. we can indeed end the discussion

This thread tend to appears at the same hours.

>>2032959
>France
>We wuz wellington and shit.

>>2032827
The french revolution wasn't a simply monarchit overthrow, it was a large rebuild of Europe's thinker belief(remember that at this time Europe was the center of the world), it destroyed some of the oldest structure of Europe(Feodalism, HRE), it weakened religious power.
All the country touched by the revolution have to apply some of it reform, people's power and nationalism got exported by french in all of Europe. The American revolution was a separatism war, the french one was truly a massive modification of the world.

>>2033081
>Being asshole who refuse to help the nation who free you
>Muh Iraq invasion and freedom fries

Nah, the Quasi war was a diplomatic incident and the french litteraly got better stuff to do, like rape Europe into submision, butthurt the german for the century to come, burn moscou and loose to Nelson. Next time you will say that the USA defeat germany in WW1 all alone.

The French and Russian revolutions were good countries turning into evil ones.

The American Revolution is different, because it denied collectivism and heralded individualism and freedom. It was a revolution by the people.

Whereas the French Revolution was coordinated by the Freemasons/Jacobins, and the Bolshevik Revolution was coordinated by Jews and Marxists.

Would it be right to say that the most important consequence of the French Revolution was the politicization of the masses, with populist ideologies rather than tradition becoming the new driving force behind European societies? Or is that wrong or oversimplified?

>>2032827
>America is now the world super power
Yes not because of the revolution but because it was one ocean away of Europe.

>>2033174
>The French and Russian revolutions were good countries turning into evil ones
>good countries turning into evil ones
>good countries: evil ones
>good evil

t.12 year old who think you juge nation and goverment with every day life moral.

>>2033239
Even taking that at face value,
>Tsarist Russia
>good

The Tsar had secret police too, after all.

(Yeah, yeah, the February Revolution -- details.)

>>2032870
>the kings got their power back
>h-he thinks the monarchy of 1815 had the same power as the Ancien Regime monarchy

>>2033239
t. moral relativist post-modernist retard

Don't you have some liberal-arts college to attend?

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>>2032827

>>2033334
>I-I-I can judge complexe social organisation that deal with the fate of million with a individual-based morality
It's not post-modernist retard, i just admit that morality that apply for one human who deal with at max a hundred people can't apply for act that will kill a million for influence in a positve way a billion. Judge nation and history with such limited system that aren't build for that is stupid. The goal of gouvenement isn't your personal confort but the survival of the nation in favorable condition.
>Don't you have some liberal-arts college to attend?
To bad i'm a stem autist. Don't you have some retarded history lesson where your country is da best?

>>2033334
t. slave moralist

Don't you have authorities to get cucked by?

>>2033422
t. New Age hippie who believes anything goes

Don't you have some satanic ritual to join?

commie bastard

>>2033445
t. uneducated redneck who believes everything he reads on /pol/

Don't you have a cousin to fuck?

>>2033476
t. Freemason Theosophist

Don't you have some false-flag event to orchestrate to further a socialist New World Order?

>>2033445
>He can't create his own morality to overcome the absurdity of the cosmos while bring meaning to the whole, and need a ready to use slave morality.
You're a collectivist cuck.

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>>2033484
>Godless commie calling someone else a collectivist

Well if it isn't the pot calling the kettle black.

>>2032827
Because it's the source of modernity

>>2033484
>he fell for the Nietszchean meme

C.S. Lewis already debunked your nihilist cuck philosopher

Atheism is wrong and false, welcome to reality

>>2032827
Read Burke

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>one of the most important events in human history that changed the ideals of the world completely and still has a huge effect on political movements today

vs.

>fuk u britbongs reeeeee

>>2033492
>Assuming that everyone that disagrees with you is a communist
What is this, the 1960's?

>>2033498
Oh yeah, I forgot that a children's author is a respected philosopher among christucks. lol.

>>2033498
>C.S Lewis
This is the height of Christian Apologetics. This is the man who BTFO Nietzsche.

>>2033505
Frenchfags were worshipping satan and hated God so Satan told them to do the revolution and attemot to destroy Gods kingdom on earth but they failed and god one

>>2033508
>>2033510
>+4 drachma have been credited to your account

>>2033512
Also god tell some holy guy to drive plane to punish american infidel.

>>2033510
>>2033508
>C.S. Lewis
Deep and complicated theology, philosophy and introspection on politics.

>Nietszche
lol i dont believe in god therefore he doesnt exist! do what thou wilt ~hail satan

>>2033526
>Deep and complicated theology, philosophy and introspection on politics.
I actually do like C.S Lewis. It's just that his philosophy barely scratches on the actual substance of Nietzsche's and in general isn't the better philosopher.

>lol i dont believe in god therefore he doesnt exist! do what thou wilt ~hail satan
If that's your understanding of Nietzsche you need to read it again.

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>>2032827
I hate my countrymen sometimes.

>>2033520
>he fell for for Freemasonic Jewish tricks

>>2033536
tips fedora

>>2033536
The only people that like Nietzsche are edgy atheists.

Kierkegaard actually knows what he's talking about. Religion is of extreme importance and elevates man, whereas atheism turns man into nothing but an animal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw36V_iXR2k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkh2TXCHpNs

>>2033549
Edgy is a slave morality word.

>Kierkegaard actually knows what he's talking about. Religion is of extreme importance and elevates man, whereas atheism turns man into nothing but an animal.
He's not wrong. Religion does elevate man. But religion is over, and we need something new.

>>2033569
Kill yourself

>>2032870
Even after the restoration the reforms of the revolution were very far from completely rolled back. Hell much of the Napoleonic code is STILL on the books in France more than two centuries later.

>>2032937
>the USA's power and insane growth arguably comes more from its geography more than its government.
Why was America able to benefit from this advantage more than all the other new world nations?

>>2033697
Not an argument.

>>2033758
Didn't say it was. Kill yourself

>>2033569
>slave morality
Empty, meaningless buzzword.

>>2033569
How can facts be "over"?

>>2032827

The American revolution simply caused a transfer of power in the colonies.

The ideas of the French revolution fundamentally changed European culture.

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>>2032827
>America is now the world super power while the french revolution failed. So why is it sometimes considered as more important?

Because it had more influence on the world
The French Revolution killed feudalism, created nationalism, created the metric system, caused German and Italian unification, caused Latin American Indepences and countless of other stuff that shaped history after that
The American "Revolution" was just an irrelevant indepence war on the far side of the world
The US are the world hegemon since the 1950s, so maybe NOW we can consider the US Revolution was as important as the French one, but from 1800 to 1950 it was objective not the case

>>2033512
They're one of the most catholic countries in Europe. They killed protestants by the millions because of it

>>2034023
America created the first true democracy, with the first constitution that was way ahead of its time (separation of the state and the church)

There was no feudalism to destroy in the US. Without the influence of the american revolution the French revolution couldn't happen.

>>2035364
>America created the first true democracy
Fuck off retard
Greece did thousands years before, and Switerland centuries before
Friendly reminder that only a few upper class men could vote in the early USA (as opposed to all men in Athens)

>There was no feudalism to destroy in the US
Who cares
Feudalism was all over Europe, the most important continent at the time

>Without the influence of the american revolution the French revolution couldn't happen.
The US Revolution had zero influence, barely anyone heard about it in Europe at the time (and certainly not French peasants)
The only way the US Revolution contributed to the French one was in ruining the French state

>>2033733
it not being covered by jungles, deserts, or major mountain systems, except the rockies, really goes a very long way.

the sheer size compared to other countries too. the only other big ones are canada(good climate in the far south, the rest is very unappealing), brazil(covered in jungles), argentina(patagonia is not so hospitable), and mexio(deserts in the north, jungles in the south). maybe colombia(jungle and mountains)

then there is the latitude, very attractive to settlers. not too hot, not too cold either. good latitude for growing shit too.

i'm not going to pretend as if the stable government and ideals did not play a big role, they absolutely did, but america's utterly colossal geographic bounty is too big to understate.

>>2035376
You obvously don't even know that the declaration of the rights of men was inspired by the american constitution.

You can only claim Europe was better à few centuries before. You obviously don't know enough about the american constitution

>>2035376
>Friendly reminder that only a few upper class men could vote in the early USA (as opposed to all men in Athens)
In Athens, only land-owning male citizens could vote. Poor non-land-owners could not vote, metic citizens could not vote (even ones whose families had resided in Athens for generations -- they were still metics). Slaves (who significantly outnumbered free men and were often just as incorporated into Athenian society as their masters) obviously couldn't, and neither could ex-slaves.

Basically you're talking out of your ass.

>>2032870
>>French revolution ended
with the 5th republic

>>2035429
>In Athens, only land-owning male citizens could vote.

Any male Athenian citizen could vote, and by the 450s they had more power than the land-holding elites. You're right about metics and slaves, but they weren't Athenian citizens, just like how America still excludes non-citizens from their government.
As long as you born Athenian, there would have been no reason that you shouldn't have considered your polis a true democracy.

>>2035364
>The us was the first ever democracy
Americans, this is why we love you

>>2034031
Exactly. Satan worshipers

>>2035453
?

But anon, they killed the Satan worshippers

>>2032827
More stuff ultimately happened. It was also way longer, way messier, and had a lot more retarded shit go down.

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>this thread.

>>2035376
> The US Revolution had zero influence, barely anyone heard about it in Europe at the time (and certainly not French peasants)

People like Thomas Paine went from America to agitate in France - there was definitely some influence.