There seems to be a tilt over whether the Scythians were Iranic or Turkic. In Turkey, most people are taught they are Turkic but in the West they are taught as Iranic. Which is correct?
>>2014083
no it is not.
It's pretty much proven they were Iranic (speaking)
>>2014083
>>2014083
>Turkic
No they weren't you retard.
>>2014083
100% iranic, ignore turk propaganda WEWUZing
>>2014083
Neither, they were aryan, but spoke iranic.
>>2014156
> they were aryan, but spoke iranic.
let me guess, you actually think that Aryan=blonde haired blue eyed germanics?
>>2014083
blonde and red hair so not turkic I guess.
Turkish fairytales are retarded.
There is ZERO Turkic influence in Finnic or Baltic languages except from the last 1800 or whatever years in Volga Finnic.
Turkic people simply did not exist in Europe.
Meanwhile there's abundant Iranic loanwords in Finnic languages like orja(slave) from aryan attesting for their presence.
>>2014083
>In Turkey, most people are taught they are Turkic
Turkish education/intellectuals everyone.
>>2014533
No, Scythians were literally remnants of pure-bred indo-european stock, not mixed with neither western hunter-gatherers nor the various sedentary peoples of the world.
>>2014083
They were Indo-Iranian folk, Slavshits are their offspring.
>>2014131
This. We have evidence of Scythians from Persian & Greek (esp Bosphoran) sources - they spoke an Iranic language.
Turks didn't coalesce until centuries after.
>>2014593
Source: your imagination.
The idea of a pure-bred Indo-European is autistic anyway since Indo-Europeans were a 50-50 mix of Eastern European and Caucasus quite early on. How does one manage to be a pure member of a mixed race people?
>>2014083
It's an understandable mistake that you're making but Scythians are most likely Persian. Most Turkic groups have adopted a lot of Persian influence so that's why there so much overlap.
>>2014670
By autism. Nothing more.
The Scythian who swore themselves to the Greek & Pontic kings of the Bosporus proudly called themselves Scythian in the same breath as they bragged about marrying Greek women.
Same as the Mesappians being Italic/Illyrian hybrids
Read some stele you asshats.
>>2014687
That's beautiful anon. Source on that?
>>2014695
t. Plato/Schopenhauer
>>2014687
The idea of patriarchial descent is confusing to modern people who are obsessed with Nazis ideas of blood purity and cucking.
People back in the day absolutely had to swap women to prevent inbreeding. If you were stronger than the other tribe you just killed their dudes and took their baby-makers for your own use.
That's just how it went and the further back you go the more common it was.
>>2014731
Ah yes, I see the philistines have already began to show...
>>2014083
>In Turkey, most people are taught they are Turkic
no they are not
you can check the turkish school history books here, there is literally zero references to scythians
http://img.eba.gov.tr/ekitap_ftp/tarih/11/derskitabi/meb/tarih_11_derskitabi_meb_tarih_f8Nam.pdf
t.turk
>>2014083
>In Turkey
>>2014727
Read up on the Greeks that made up what is now Ukraine (Cimmerian Bosphorus). There's stele and inscriptions from Scythians using Greek (which was the lingua Franca until the mongol invasions and even after until Italian colonia) to boast about their bloodlines. Pretty cool desu.
I'll try to scrounge up my sources but I'm mobile atm.
>>2014766
Go back where? To Istanbul?
>>2014772
I was refering to the art/griffons, but that's interesting too.
>>2014864
Mesappians,scythians, & Iranians really enjoyed that theme
>>2014083
They were Iranic, there is absolutely no argument.
You have genetic, linguistic, and archaeological proof. Third part sources such as the Greeks mention that Scythians talked to Persians without the need of a translator... All Sarmatian and Scythian haplogroups (main subclads) are found in Iranic speakers today and burial sites show they followed Iranian rituals/rites (pre-Zoroastrinism)
>>2014766
le buttblasted balkan rapebaby face
>>2014083
This is not a debate.
Scythians are Iranic.
Turkics were busy in Eastern Central Asia either sucking tremendous Xiongnu cuck or being Genocided by Chinks.
>>2014083
The Gokturks we're fucking horses in Mongolia at the time the Scythian's were prevalent
>>2014083
The scythians were iranic. The Ossetians are their closest living relatives.
>>2017884
ossetians are descended from sarmatians
oddly, they have the least R1a
>>2017920
They're mostly descended from native Caucasians, nothing odd about that.
>>2014083
>There seems to be a tilt over whether the Scythians were Iranians.
>>2017920
French here
I can confirm, some Alans migrated in France, and the places where they settled are the ones with the most G haplogroup.
>>2014153
underrated Turkpost
>>2014608
What is the Q? Inuit?
>ywn get pinned down and pegged by Tomyris
>>2014083
Indo-European.