Enlighten me on ieyasu tokugawa /his/, was he a huge traitor or the forefather of modern japan?
>>2012309
Your second statement implies the first
All he did was play by the rules and baited someone else do the betrayal when he himself finally had the upper hand.
Knew how to ride a dick long enough to convince everybody you belong on the top
when an IRL person has plot armor
>>2012309
>implying he wasn't extremely loyal to his overlord, Nobunaga
>implying he did anything wrong against usurper Hideyoshi