Daily reminder that Byzantine Empire is the true successor of

Daily reminder that Byzantine Empire doesnt exist anymore

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>>2009980
Daily reminder that the Ottoman Empire is the true successor of Byzantine Empire and IS the Byzantine Empire.

Meanwhile...
>Holy
>Roman
>Empire

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>>2009987

this

>>2009980
>Eastern
>Roman
>Empire

More like Turkish fuckboi harem

>exist for a thousand years
>doesn't do anything worthy of notice
>not one poet, philosopher, artist or scientist worth mentioning
>ends up becoming the Turkroach capital of the world
Good job.

Is the ERE the only empire ever to decline for its entire existence?

>>2010413
Heraclius, Justinian and the Macedonian dynasty all saw resurgences of their power.
They may be the only country to have ever been conquered and ended by its own ruler though. (Demetrios, who along with his brother served as the last co-rulers of Byzantine territory of the Palaiologan dynasty, defected to the Turks and helped conquer the last bastion of Byzantine rule in Morea)

What's the difference between a byzantine and a dead baby?
Italians can't sack a baby for missing a loan

I don't understand why the romans and byzantines are divided, what functionally changed in the eyes of historians to justify the name change?

It wasn't a successor; it was a pathetic remnant which did nothing more than slowly die

>>2010501
The Eternal Kraut trying to pretend their meme empire was the real Rome and the ERE wasn't.

The name just stuck over time because it neatly describes a time when the ERE was confined to this general area, spoke Greek, had its capital at Constantinople and was the hub of Orthodox Christianity.

>>2010511
By that token any successor state that is smaller than the previous state is a "pathetic remnant".
It lasted for a thousand years man.

>>2010501
Historians haven't really differentiated them for a long time.

But their contemporaries did. Often calling the eastern empire "The Empire of the Greeks", rather than Romans.

>>2010413
Russia comes to mind.

>>2010585
>It lasted for a thousand years man.

Although this doesn't exactly put it in a great club.


The amount of current countries that can claim to have lasted a thousand years as an independent nation with the same type of government are...
Denmark, Ethiopia (Monarchy that now no longer exists, but was around for a thousand years with a bunch of emperors who could ALL trace their lineage back to the same guy.), and Japan if you're being super fucking generous.

France didn't make it, just as they were reaching their millenial anniversary they had the revolution.
The UK had that brief stint as a military dictatorship they'd like to pretend don't count. (If we don't count that, then I guess we can add "England" to the list)

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>>2009987

Bunch of bunch of monotheistic barbarian horse archers thinking they can be Roman without using a Gladius, speaking Latin, praying to the Glorious Roman Pantheon and defending the Senate and People of Rome.

>>2010617
I hope you know you literally draped my life is good to be the first one is the fittest are being slaughtered so the not so fit excel file for bankruptcy is the fittest are being slaughtered so the not so fit excel file for bankruptcy

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>Byzantine
Stop calling it that, for fucks sake.

>>2010604
Denmark and Japan are pretty neat

>>2010604
>(If we don't count that, then I guess we can add "England" to the list)
In 50 years

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>>2010636

>>2010650
Denmark may be the only guys to fight the ERE for "Longest decline", as they've been steadily declining since 1523, and in relative power since 1412.

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>>2010660
>Aquatic Roman Empire

>>2010660
Nice

>>2010660
Pls post how is civil war eveb real, nivga let more ppl be emperors

>Henry VI decided to take advantage of his father's threat of force against the Byzantine Empire, affected by the rebellions in Serbia and Bulgaria as well as by Seljuk incursions. Emperor Isaac II Angelos had maintained close ties with the Sicilian ursurper king Tancred of Lecce, he was overthrown in April 1195 by his brother Alexios III Angelos. Henry took the occasion to exact tribute and had a threatening letter sent to the Byzantine emperor in order to finance the planned Crusade. Alexius immediately submitted to the tributary demands and exacted high taxes from his subjects to pay the Crusaders 5,000 pounds of gold.

Reminder that Byzantine was the Roman Empire's bitch

>>2011842
reminder that the >H>R>E also got cucked by the ottomeme

>>Ferdinand and Charles were forced to conclude a humiliating five-year treaty with Suleiman. Ferdinand renounced his claim to the Kingdom of Hungary and was forced to pay a fixed yearly sum to the Sultan for the Hungarian lands he continued to control. Of more symbolic importance, the treaty referred to Charles V not as 'Emperor' but as the 'King of Spain', leading Suleiman to identify as the true 'Caesar'.

>>Ferdinand was to be considered as the King of Germany, and Charles V as the King of Spain, and they were equal to the Grand Vizier of Ottoman Empire. Moreover, they were banned to count anyone as 'Emperor' except the Ottoman Emperor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Constantinople_(1533)

How many byzantines does it take to change a lightbulb?
one, just leave him in the room and soon a turk will come through the door and do a better job

>>2009980
le 'h' 'r' 'e'
frogpost

back to rddit

>>2009987
see>>2012135

A Roman, a Byzantine and a Holy Roman empires walked into a bar.
The Byzantine collapsed.

>>2009980
So call it eastern roman empire

Roman and Holy Roman Empires:
>come Byzantine lets play outside!
Byzantine:
>mommy won't let me play outside anymore; because she says I fall every time.

Who discovered gravity?
Isaac Newton.
No. The Byzantine empire, because it started falling and it never stopped.

How do they call anal in Turkey? Byzantine.

What is the most watched porn genre in Turkey? Byzantine.

>>2012168
more like eastern hellenic despotate

is there anything more pathetic and sad than the entire byzantine history? in eternal decline until one good leader showed just for the next ten to run the empire more and more into decline

literally the sick man of europe before the meme was even born

>>2012181
What do you call an object in free fall? A Byzantine empire:

If you release a kilogram of cotton and a kilogram of lead from the top of a building, which one hits the floor first? The Byzantine empire.

What was the national sport of Byzantium? Diving.

What did the medievals call a shooting star? A Byzantine star.

new here, why do people dislike the 'holy roman empire'

Challenge to all people who disagree with OP

at what point would you consider it to not be the Eastern Roman Empire anymore?

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>>2009987
>greek patriarch attends "muslim friendship dinners"

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>>2010480
>Justinian

>>2012325
constantine

christianity

>>2012339
...So what would you call the western Empire from 272 until 475?

>>2010413

Wow the Americans must be up extra early today.

>>2010617
By the end of the fourth century the Western Empire had ditched the gladius, you do know that right?

>>2009980
>call yourself roman empire
>do not own rome
wew

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Hey Belisarius existed, he was kinda bad ass.

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>>2009980
FeelsRomanMan

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"do not own rome"

>Owned fucking Rome

>>2009987
Having the same land mass makes you the true successor now? What happened to continuation of culture?
Everyone knows Russia is true successor of Byzantine Empire

Daily reminder that the Ottomans were the true successors following the reking of the Byzantines

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>>2012836
Better to gloriously die under glorious cannon fire in the last jewel of the east than to live on to get passed around like Europe's whore after getting curbstomped collectively by most major world powers and then shitting on yourself and dying in pool of your own blood and shit.

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Has /his/ ever visited the met? The Byzant- I mean, the Eastern Rome exhibit is really comfy.

>>2009980
Byzantine empire is neither Roman nor empire either

though it is still Eastern

>>2013319
>filthy latin lies
Sorry pal, I don't speak German.

>>2013357
you don't speak Latin either Greekscum

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>>2013364

>>2013319
>people call themselves Romans
>are called Romans by others
>seamless political continuation
Eh I am not sure you know what Imperium means bro.

>>2010660
Who Southern Northern Roman Empire here?

>>2013364
The official language of the Roman empire was Latin until Heraclius.

>>2012566
It... literally held Rome.

The Ostrogoths considered themselves Roman vassals, and even if we don't count that then the Byzantines kicked them out.

>>2012335
>Hating on Justinian.

Dude was so influential the HRE ended up using HIS laws.
He reconquered most of the empire.

>>2013390
>people call themselves Romans
>are called Byzantines by others
>continuation of emperors when it's suppose to be a republic

fixed

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>>2010617
>northern northern northern roman empire

>>2012924
Yeah I was there a few weeks back.

>find the Byzantine section
>it's a little cubbyhole under a staircase that literally looks like an early medieval monastery room complete with low lighting and old brickwork

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>>2013900
You clearly have no idea what the term "res publica" means. Pro tip: it has nothing to with voting or democracy. I mean do you even res publica restituta?

>>2013581
>The official language of the Roman empire was Latin
There never was on official Roman language. Stop being retarded.

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>Gr**ks
>King of the Romans

>>2014085
Since it were German princess that elected the Emperor your pic is misleading.

>>2014113
*princes

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>>2014113
>Otto was crowned Holy Roman Emperor in 962 by Pope John XII in Rome.
The princes elect, the pope crowns

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>>2014132
I am aware of that. But Otto was not King of the Romans bro. And your picture is (I guess) from around 1350 so 400 years later than Otto. Again misleading and/or confusing but certainly unfamiliar with the actual imperial titles and the mode of election.

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>>2012742
>Owned fucking Rome

>>2014151
Otto the Great was, indisputably, King of the Romans®

>>2013900
Come on man, even if it took until Diocletan to get the country to admit it was a monarchy, the emperors had ruled since 27 BC.


>>2014016
ACTUALLY THERE WAS.
That's what's so super weird.
You wouldn't think that would be a thing that far back, and in such a decentralized state. But it totally was.
Heraclius EXPLICTLY made Greek the language of the state, after Justinian desperately tried to maintain Laitn as the language of the state and law.

And, as for many other things, Diocletian had actually made what was a long held informal institution an official one too. By officially supporting Latin over other regional languages.

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>Greek rump state dies in the 15th century
>the Holy Roman Empire survives to the 19th century
We won

>>2014172
No, he wasn't.
He was king of ITALY and the GERMANS.

The first king of the Romans (Ignoring, y'know, Rome) was Otto III

>>2014197
>This state collapsed slightly faster than we did.

What a victory!

Hey what's the Byzantine empire's favorite book/movie? Fallen.

>>2014197
holy roman empire was effectively done by 1648. the title was just a meme after that.

>>2014221
How do you call 3+Byzantines in the swimming pool?
A Turkish bath.

>>2014199
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_of_the_Romans
The very first Holy Roman Emperor was crowned 'Emperor of the Romans' by the Pope regardless

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>>2014204
>slightly

>Knock-knock
Who's there?
>Eastern Roman
Eastern Roman who?
>I know, right? Eastern Roman fucking who?

>>2014221
Then Byzantium was "effectively done" earlier as well

>>2014244
Now look at the actual list.

Otto III is the first ruling King of the Romans, whaddaya know?

>>2014248
The HRE was around from the 10th (Heck, I'll even give you 9th) century, to the 19th century.

Rome was partitioned in the 3rd century, we can talk of a separate Eastern Roman state in the 4th, and Constantinople fell in the 15th century.

So yeah, slightly faster. I just got it the wrong way around. The HRE fell faster.

>>2014255
All hope of a resurgence ended with the fourth crusade (And thing were already looking grim at the time of the Macedonian dynasty when the army was cashiered in favour of foreign troops, but even after that the ERE was still a state unto itself. While the Holy Roman empire was... not.
It was really just a formalization of Austrian political hegemony, and Austria was really the only power worth a shit in the whole mess after Bohemia caked its pants.

What is the Byzantine empire's favorite amusement park ride?

Freefall (aka Drop Tower)

>>2014310
>Now look at the actual list.
>Otto III is the first ruling King of the Romans, whaddaya know?
but Otto I was called Emperor of the Romans, different title, same meaning

>So yeah, slightly faster. I just got it the wrong way around. The HRE fell faster.
Basically, i concede the point, but if both are going to be viewed as Rome's successors, the one that success's Rome the furthest in time is the "winner"

>All hope of a resurgence ended with the fourth crusade (And thing were already looking grim at the time of the Macedonian dynasty when the army was cashiered in favour of foreign troops, but even after that the ERE was still a state unto itself. While the Holy Roman empire was... not.
It was really just a formalization of Austrian political hegemony, and Austria was really the only power worth a shit in the whole mess after Bohemia caked its pants.
none of these are really quantifiable because there is really just a start and an end. otherwise, you can only postulate on abstract criteria for when they're "basically" finished.

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How's that library looking?

Are there any other examples of

>empire expands
>loses the lands where it was born
>polity continues on business as usual in the conquered lands

or is the Roman Empire unique in that?

>>2014508
ROMA AETERNA MATER FUTUOR!

>>2014508
Several nomadic peoples did that, the Almohads stopped having any holdings in North Africa for a bit, and the Umayyads changed continent.

>>2013900
>are called Byzantines by others
>"The first use of the term "Byzantine" to label the later years of the Roman Empire was in 1557, when the German historian Hieronymus Wolf published his work Corpus Historiæ Byzantinæ, a collection of historical sources. The term comes from "Byzantium", the name of the city of Constantinople before it became Constantine's capital."

You clearly have no idea about history beyond memes. Nobody called them Byzantines until they had already passed into the annals of history.

>>2012356
Why would yanks dislike byzantium?

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RUSSIA is CLEARLY the ONLY TRUE SUCSESSOR of the ROMAN EMPIRE and you CANNOT refute this since there are NO others which claim this.

>>2009980
Can't be a successor to your ownself

>>2010413
There is no ERE, so no the Roman Empire is not

>>2010501
Germans trying to claim Rome + enlightenment scholars had a hard on for the "rational" ancient pagan Romans vs the mystical "byzantine" Christian Romans

>>2010585
Byzantine isn't a successor state, that term implies the mother state died. But the Roman state did not die

>>2010197

They brought silk to the west. Silk, being a luxury item, is the first really profitable textile industry product. Most people back then were capable of making their own clothing, so they had no reason to buy cheap stuff. Silk on the other hand could be bought and sold as a status symbol.

Prior to this, the Romans tried to ban the silk trade because it was causing a net capital deficit, and filling the coffers of the Parthian/Persian middleman. They even tried to rebuild the Nile Canal to get around it.

Just as stolen Greek texts jump started the Italian Renaissance (The Greek Renaissance was first), the stolen silk worms sowed the seeds for the industrial revolution. They also invented the flamethrower. Nuff said.

>>2012129

I like the one better where the turk smashes the lightbulb because he prefers candles.

>>2013961
I should really go more often, especially when there's less crowds.

>>2012347
A sideshow :^)

>>2014244
>The very first Holy Roman Emperor was crowned 'Emperor of the Romans' by the Pope regardless
Which was not the point. The point was that he needs to be elected first. Look up how many emperors were actually crowned by the pope to be King of the Romans.
>>2014183
No. There was no official language and nothing you said will convince me otherwise since your just repeated what you said before.
>By officially supporting Latin over other regional languages.
He merely changed the language he was using by adjusting it to the language most people he rules over spoke. There is and never was a document stating this or that language is the official language of the state which would be what the word "official" means.

>>2014420
>but Otto I was called Emperor of the Romans,
No, he wasn't! He was Emperor of the Roman Empire. If you discuss titles you gotta be fucking precise.