Did early Christians believe in the real presence in the eucharist?

Also why do some use grape juice?

>>1990004

isnt grape juice just non-alcoholic wine?

>>1990952
Nope:
Here's a shop that sells non alkoholic wines and champagnes

>>1990972
Forgot the link :
http://www.winzers.de/weine/alkoholfreier_wein_und_sekt_alkoholfrei.html

>>1990974
lool yes sir, i am aware of non-alcoholic wine but im saying in principle its just non-fermented grape juice isnt it? surely the symbolism of the vine and the fruit is more important than the fermentation process!

>>1991011
But it's fermented, they just take the alkohol away afterwards.
I think juice isn't legit because the bible is talking about wine not grape juice

>>1991029
i meant grape juice is non-fermented wine.

yeah but i think its coz of people with alcoholism or somin.

>>1991029
or just the best some people can do. especially if its in an informal setting.

its only supposed to be symbolic really unless you are from a big old church.

what if jesus's followers actually ate him and that's why his body disappeared

>>1989996

1 Corinthians 11:27-29

27 Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread and drink this cup of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.

28 But let a man examine himself, and then let him eat of that bread and drink of that cup.

29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body.

>>1991105

You know I've never really thought of it that way.

It would make sense though. I always thought the whole thing was disgusting, kind of like a cannibal perk. If you have a bunch of people who are willing to literally feast on the flesh of a human being for salvation, then I'm not so sure I need any part of their philosophies.

>>1989996
The easiest group probably didn't, But after Paul the ritual started to take on its current meaning

>>1991157
earliest sorry