Under Stalin, how did everyday Soviet citizens feel about their

>>1985665
many times people are unaware of being in a communist or fascist society or at least to the degree that they are (propaganda)

They lived in a state of perpetual terror.

>>1985728
...the USSR didn't try to hide their pursuit of communism

>>1985748
But they did try to hide the fact that they were actually fascist.

>>1985753
>not real communism

>>1985753
Fair enough

>>1985757
If there's a state it isn't communism, anon

>>1985788
>The delusions of a raving lunatic are unimplementable
Shocker.

But I guess it'll work next time, right?

>>1985798
>communism is unimplementable
>the USSR implemented communism

Chose one and only one, bootlicker

>>1985801
Fucking moron. My point was that any attempt to implement communism invariably leads to a shitty totalitarian society because communism is unimplementable. Which does not in any way justify not labeling countries such as the USSR as "communist" because all they did was in their attempt to implement communism. The USSR, Maoist China, and all the other communist regimes were all communist because they all tried to apply the principles of marxism in an attempt to create a Marxist society. They all failed to achieve "communism" as described by Marx because communism is an pipe dream which only exists in the delusions of borderline mentally retarded faggots like yourself, not in the real world.

Now kill yourself you piece of nigger shit.

>>1985728
>many times people are unaware of being in a communist or fascist society or at least to the degree that they are (propaganda)
this is true but not because you think it is

many communities in the USSR were so isolated and self sufficient they didn't even know who stalin was when they got their draft notice saying they had to join the red army

>>1985665
>Is it true the Caucasus fucking loved him?
Apparently enough to fight with Khrushchev

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1956_Georgian_demonstrations

>>1985812
Do you need a hug?

>>1985665
>Is it true the Caucasus fucking loved him?
The Caucasus hated him and still hate him. He fucked up the whole Caucasus. The only ones who love him are probably Ossetians and some Georgians, but he is disliked by the majority.

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unless you where russian things sucked dick

t. my grandparents

>>1987516
wew, someone really doesn't know his shit.
>t. georgian, been in caucasus all my life

>>1987516
Factually untrue. Armenians clashed with Khrushchev because they wanted to keep celebrating Stalin amid Destalinization

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>>1985812
To be fair, I'm by no means a Marxist, but Libertarian Socialism at least has been shown to work in places like Revolutionary Catalonia during the 1930's in Spain.

Libertarian Socialists took over the region and collectivised businesses and implemented worker control over the means of production and abolished hierarchy.

From George Orwell's 'Homage to Catalonia':
>Why do people always define Communism and/or Socialism as "A totalitarian system where the State controls everything" when Marx himself advocated a Stateless, classless society wherein the workers control the means of production?

>inb4 someone brings up past "examples"

The only examples of Marxism working the way it is supposed to in theory is in Revolutionary Catalonia in Spain during the 1930's, and to be honest, even though I'm not a Marxist, it wasn't that bad.

George Orwell describes it in his text 'Homage to Catalonia':
>"It was the first time I had ever been in a town where the working class was in the saddle. Practically every building of any size had been seized by the workers and was draped with red flags or with the red and black flag of the Anarchists; every wall was scrawled with the hammer and sickle and with the initials of the revolutionary parties; almost every church had been gutted and its images burnt. Churches here and there were being systematically demolished by gangs of workmen. Every shop and café had an inscription saying that it had been collectivised; even the bootblacks had been collectivised and their boxes painted red and black. Waiters and shop-walkers looked you in the face and treated you as an equal."

>>1988039
Fuck, posted the same thing twice. Fuck it.

>>1988025
>>1987599
>>1987599
>>1987516

there are different peoples in the caucasus.
north caucasians hated stalin, he deported entire nations to siberia that were only able to return to their homelands much much later.
stalin's deportation of the chechens is a major reason why chechnya is so fucked up today

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>>1985665
No. Stalin killed more ukrainians by starvation then Hitler killed jews by gaz.
Stalin REMOVED town and cities from maps.
You would be insane to even doubt his madness.
Did you ever picked up a book about ussr or what?

>>1988039

>mass killing of priests
>confiscate property of peasants opposed to revolution
>In the NKVD's pocket

Nice "libertarian" socialism.

>>1985753
>>1985757
You're both right. It was Socialism in One Country, also called Red Fascism.

>>1989081
t. Mykola Bobenko

>>1989081
I didn't realize Ukraine was part of the Caucasus.

>>1987581
What fucking country is this, Columbia?

>>1989566
Venezuela faggot

>>1988039
the parts of revolutionary Spain Orwell refers to were mostly controlled by the anarchists and trade unions though. the communist parties (P.S.U.C., etc) aside from the P.O.U.M. literally blew the country's shot at revolution, and even actively worked against the revolution with the backing of the USSR.

>>1989081
What makes you think the famine in Ukraine was some kind of deliberate and unilateral action by Stalin?

Ukrainians starved because the Soviet government continued to extract grain from Ukraine to feed industrial workers and sell abroad, even during bad times. Stalin didn't want Ukrainians to die, but believed it was an acceptable cost of urban industrialization.

FWIW, only some estimates of famine death go above Hitler's six million mark.

Regardless, Ukraine is not part of the Caucasus so that isn't relevant here.

>>1989348
Revolutionary Catalunia was crushed by the NKVD-backed Republicans

>>1985753
DAE HORSESHOE THEORY

please leave

>>1985798
>underrated post

>>1989538
Socialism in one country was more or less a plan of stalin to industrialize the country at first with only small intervention in the outside imperialistic world and after achieving this industrial edge, then that idea would be abolished so you could actually expand without getting BTFO'd by literally everyone.
Btw socialism in one country actually worked, just look at eastern europe it itself was under total soviet control AFTER it has developed itself.

>>1988039
>Libertarian Socialists
That's an oxymoron

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>>1985753

>>1990431

>DAE

Oh, hello there reddit

>>1990563
>t. classcuck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIfKrI6Q_W8

>>1989081
>muh ukrainian hunger gas chambers

>>1990052
>didn't want Ukrainians to die
That doesn't make the famine any better dude. Even if you're right.
And they did want to break the backbone of peasantry.

>>1990569
>I am an American teenage socialist and I am here to rape political terminology, because I am to lazy to learn proper terms

Pls stop, it hurts

>>1990074
>NKVD-backed communists
FTFY

>>1990589
>LSR
>American

>>1987581
Bet they still suck dick now though...

>>1990431
No no, what he's saying is that National Bolshevism is fascism. He's fucking right. I say that as a socialist. Stalin's regime was fascist.

>>1985798
>forgetting that there are socialist revolutions in the world RIGHT NOW that haven't fallen to totalitarianism

:'-) they'll be coming for your property soon, porky

>>1985812
>My point was that any attempt to implement communism invariably leads to a shitty totalitarian society

>rojava

>chiapas

>catalonia, aragon, andalusia

Now, Marx's response might be that totalitarianism and an inability to achieve socialist is characteristic of underdeveloped societies that have revolutions. However, Rojava proves that wrong. What is needed is a genuine working class movement (no vanguard) in order to achieve socialism, which is exactly what happened in Rojava.

>>1989348
You realize that the revolution was very fractured, right? Some areas were Stalinist, some areas were typical liberal, some areas were operated in a more syndicalist manner, some places were outright anarchist.

It's not a god damn black and white issue, and if you want to read more take a look at this: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/sam-dolgoff-editor-the-anarchist-collectives

>>1990589

You understand that the first libertarians were socialists, right?

>>1990563
Socialists invented the world libertarian

Worker control of industry doesn't require a government