ITT: we create our own ideologies, others describe them and their

>>1977436
Unfeasible, because even though that's pretty orthodox Marxism, most people since the cold war think Stalinism is the same thing as Marxism.

>>1977436
>Libertarian Democratic Marxism

You could have just stopped at Libertarian. It's only in America where that means "Right"-Libertarianism. In every other nation, 'Libertarian' refers to Anarchism/Anarchist. Which, generally, contains all three things you listed above.

>>1977489
There's a pretty big split in libertarianism if you consider property a natural right or a tool for oppression. A lot of intellectuals listed property as a basic natural right, alongside with life and liberty.

I mean, back when you had aristocracy and shit, the answer was the same for both sides. Give property rights to everyone so people can stop being oppressed by people with property. It's clear that every having property rights is more libertarian than only some people having property rights. But that's where the ideological split begins. Some people see the elimination of property rights as oppressive. Some people see the institution of property rights as oppressive.

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R E F O R M I C O N

Vouchers for all people, vouchers for all things

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>Fascism

I double dog dare you to define it.

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>>1977583
We've been living in one since the end of the civil war

Japanese Collectivism

Totalitarian anarchy

NEETism

no one works ever

kemalist randian socialism

Socialism with Australian Characteristics

>>1977645

Australianism with American characteristics

Essentially Trump's America, but he regularly fires the Speaker of the House.

>>1977645
>ya better hand of the means of production mate or ill fuckin nip ya

>>1977615
The state exists outside the perception of the general population; which is free to do whatever. The state intervenes when rules are broken and acts as an all encompassing technocratic welfare system.

To better illustrate: Imagine a chicken coop. This would be a ''Totalitarian Anarchy''

>>1977673
sort of describes Renaissance Venice

>all the classes work together in harmony in a republic
>those that disrupt it are dragged out at night and tortured to death

Democratic Neoliberal Communism with Iranian Characteristics

>>1977436
Technotheooligarchic Leninism

>>1977436
>Libertarian
>Democratic
>Marxism

Did you unironically mix the three shittiest ideologies available?

>>1977489
>only in America
Eastern European here, literally never heard of left libertarianism in my life. We just call anarchists anarchist.

Evolutionist Socialism

Transhumanist singularism

>>1977730

In America:

Anarchists=white kids who throw trashcans at security guards

Left-libertarians= libertarians who panic when you point out how many people would die if their batshit philosophy ever took hold and claim to actually want to help poor people

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Californianism

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>>1977770

Check it

>>1977770
Yes

>>1977436
I seize the means of production.
FOR MYSELF!
Then i turn the global market into my monopoly.
And then i die sad, because money can't fill the void in people's hearts, and every women would just love me for the money i have.

What would you call this?

Byzantine parliamentarism

Free market feudalism

Social Keynesianism

Liberal fascism

Constitutional authoritarianism

>>1977788
Egotistical egoism

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>>1977808
>Free market feudalism
So... Anarcho capitalism?
>Constitutional authoritarianism
So, every European country in the interwar period?

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>>1977723
basically a giant lenin space palace in orbit that oversees the whole communist globe. it can easily stamp out rebellion

Elected Mandate of Heaven

>>1977808
>Byzantine parliamentarism
USA
>Free market feudalism
USA
>Social Keynesianism
USA
>Liberal fascism
USA
>Constitutional authoritarianism
just the USA

>>1977884
Kek. To some extent, you're not wrong. Especially about the liberal fascism part.

>>1977882
That would be a mandate of the people. The Mandate of Heaven can only be obtained taken by victory in war or bestowed upon another by the Emperor.

>>1977895

I mean to say, the government acts with the Mandate of Heaven, if they fail, or fall to a coup, the clique that secures a popular vote receives it.

>>1977890

Liberal and fascist are both middle class ideologies, but they cannot exist together. Either the people belong to the nation, as in fascism, or the nation belongs to the people, as in liberalism.

>>1977746
neil degrasse tyson and che guevara run a country together

>>1977903
>>tyson: lets make socialism smart again
>>che: i hate dumb niggers

>>1977899
Liberal fascism is what you get when you put cultural marxism and neo liberalism together.
It is the ruling ideology of the American democrats and British labor. The twisted world created by the Clintons and the Blairs.
In the sense that they've failed their economic policies and swung for big business while on the other hand keeping and enforcing a facade of social justice via appealing to every fringe identity politics and minority group. They just present their fascism with a friendly face of political correctness, and so on.
It disgusts me to even call them """"""left"""""" or """""""liberal""""""""

>>1977929
>Liberal fascism is what you get when you put cultural marxism and neo liberalism together.

Erm.

Cultural 'marxism' is the effect that consumerism has on culture. For some reason, it's called marxist. I'm guessing it was named by an American.

Neo liberalism, which is neither classical liberal nor modern liberal, is also based around consumerism.

>It disgusts me to even call them """"""left"""""" or """""""liberal""""""""

Well no, they're neither left or liberal.

>>1977936
Exactly, i agree with you.
They are neither, but they call themselves both.
Which is why they disgust me. As they are neither liberal nor left. (> > >)

>>1977941

>Exactly, i agree with you.

THEN WHY ARE WE SHOUTING?


I don't agree that we should give up the term liberal yet. And I don't think it quite fits fascism either, it's a new thing. We don't have a proper term for it because we tend to describe the general style of western governance as 'democracy' or 'capitalism', all very vague.

>>1977436
anarchistic monarch dictatorship (for shits and giggles)
OR
Psychological societal selection system

>>1977950
>Psychological societal selection system
How would that work?
Something like Anarcho primitivism?

>>1977957
We put people in a hyper realistic simulation of an absurd society and see if they can break free.

>>1977950
>anarchistic monarch dictatorship (for shits and giggles)
there's a supreme god king that terrorizes a lawless ancapistan

democratic feudalism

transhumanist oligarchy

>>1977436
Anarcho-Capitalist Republican Trotskyist inspired Juche

>>1977993
>implying the nwo doesnt already exist and isnt run by transhumans

>>1977991
Feudalism was already representative, why add 'democratic'?

>>1977882
You know this was basically how rulers were thought of in the middle ages? Being chosen by electors was a heavenly mandate.

>>1977436
Social Hereditary Democracy

Esoteric aristocratic socialism

>>1978131
I think i read somewhere that interwar Poland was a hereditary republic.
Which seems neat. Going from an electoral monarchy to a hereditary republic

>>1978144
some Polack must have decided "Let's switch things up"

>>1978133
Your average run off the mill socialist bananastate but with weirdass occultists doing strange shit and pflastering patterns and symbols hidden in plain sight everywhere while the plebs wait in the breadline.

Distribution of essentials through socialist means.
Distribution of luxury goods through capitalist means.

If you choose not to work, you won't have a diverse diet (nutritious enough ofcourse, but it's kinda bland, you'll be eating a lot of oatmeal and stuff), you'll have a small living space and no smartphone, but if that's what you like you can live like that. You have to actually work for internet, a car, a bigger house, being able to eat good steaks at fancy restaurants, go to operas etc.

Libertarian Technocrat

>>1978340
so a welfare state that doesn't suck because people living on welfare can't actually have their 4 kids and newest iPhone

Liberal Juche technocracy

Robot-controlled Socialism to prevent corruption of human politicians who would end up going for state capitalism

>>1977436
Melanin-Fascism

>>1978356
I missed you my nigga

Pan Sebastianism capitalism

>>1977882
The Papacy?

National capitalism

>>1978385
Isn't that just state capitalism with more feeling?

>>1977436
Liberal fascist communism.

Be nice pls

>>1978845
Like a vibrant, gay USSR.

Social anarcho-kritarchism

>>1977436
Islambic communisn :DD

>>1978869
Rojava in Finland.

Electorate of divine dynasty city-state.

>>1978908
This kind of stuff does /his/ need

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>>1978908
Rolllll

>>1977436
Very feasible. There's no reason why a Marxian state cannot be minarchist and democratic.

The difficult part is getting libertarian Marxists in power.

>>1978908
rolling for anarcho-whateverism

>>1978908
Let's check the one ral true ideology.

>>1978908
No worries, I'm even going to explain how it works

>>1978908
roll for muh left anarcho conservatism

>>1978937
>Post-market Social Democracy
Literally communism

>>1978908
A'ight.

>>1977436
Nice thread OP.
>>1978908
Rolling.

>>1978908
>Post National Social Democracy
EU 30 years from now if neither it nor socdem dies.

Boeresionism. Moving the majority of the afrikaans people to the sparsely populated northern cape and setting up a state using afrikaans style kibbutzim. The northern cape has similar arid conditions to Israel, and thus I think it could work out similarly.

The afrikaans people have more of a claim to the northern cape than other bantu tribes, and afrikaners (especially boers) are a group facing racial attacks and economic exclusionary policies daily.

I could very much rationalise creating this volkstaat. Rhodesian refugees and their descendents would be allowed as well.

>>1978948
>Post-national libertarianism
A one-world government ensuring local conflicts are suppressed but don't bother the population otherwise outside of enforcing contracts.

>>1978908

>>1978908
Rolling for anything

>>1978908
Rolling

>>1978932
Basicly hunter-gatherer syndicalism where people live in small, cooperative, nomadic groups sharing all resources they gather.

National Objectivism

>>1977436
Anarcho-statism

Lacedemonic Statist Utilitarianism

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>>1978908
alright.

>>1977726
Hi Hans Hermann Hoppe.

>>1977766
HAHAHAHA FUCKINGGG EPICCCC MAN XDDDDDDD

>>1977436

Dickocracy:

Most errors that leaders make are attempts to compensate for the size of their genitals, insecurity that superior males will dominate them. Thus, all legislative, executive, and judicial power should be concentrated in the men with the biggest dicks, who have no reason to be insecure, and can thus rule justly.

>>1979247
Hoppe is a libertarian you dunce.

>>1978908
Rollling

>>1977637
Kemalism and Randianism are oxymoron.