>tfw you find yourself really liking Nikki II despite leaning

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>>1973460
>He didn't deserve it
Yes, he did. It took him 20 years to ruin on of the biggest empires on earth. He destroyed absolutely everything his father and grandfather created. We still haven't recovered. He should've killed himself.

>>1973460
We all like Nikki as a person. But his execution was well-deserved. I cant continue to list the shit he did wrong everyday, shit should be stickied somewhere on this board. Louis 16 was executed as well, and he made far less mistakes. Granted he wasnt as handsome, but he probably wasnt a bad dude either. With great power comes great responsibility. The abuse of the people does not go without retribution.

>>1973744
>we still haven't recovered

That's because you Russians are idiots.

>>1973460
If all the royal families weren't killed, SU could've never suppressed the white army chimp out

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>>1974780
Believe that white army cared about royal family

>>1974846
> denying that the royal family would have been a rallying point
> denying that the tsar had a cult of personality type thing going with peasants because he was the leader along with the patriarch
> deny that there are still monarchists in Russia
> denying that there were multiple attempts to rescue him and his family
> denying that a significant faction of the white army, although not the majority, wanted to restore him to power

Being this fucking stupid, come on bruh.

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>>1975079
>Overthrowing their "rallying point" in the first place

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>>1975079
>the royal family
>"rallying point"

But the Whites lost exactly because they didn't have any kind of rallying point.

And most of the Whites weren't even monarchists, as you yourself stated. The incompetence of Nicholas was too obvious for even the most ardent reactionaries to ignore. Some of the White Army's leading figures weren't even monarchists, and were fighting to maintain a republican Russia as established by the original Provisional Government, which was seen as a much more practical and sensible alternative to either the sheer incompetence of the Tsarist regime or the radical Bolsheviks.

>denying that the tsar had a cult of personality type thing going with peasants because he was the leader along with the patriarch

I think you're overestimating the reverence that the peasants had for Nicholas II, especially after 1905. Same with the Church patriarch: there was no real resistance from the populace when the anti-religious campaigns began, as most Russians were indifferent to the fate of the Orthodox Church.

Were there some White elements that wanted to free Nicholas and reinstall him as monarch? Absolutely. But they constituted an irrelevant minority within the White movement?

>>1975674
> But the Whites lost exactly because they didn't have any kind of rallying point.
Which is exactly why they might have wanted one

As far as the peasants go, Im not saying it would make or break the civil war but there is no denying that the Tsar resonated with the peasants. Dont forget that peasants were more or less secluded from the urban life aside from working there during the winter. Most of them were still illiterate. Its not difficult to change someone's opinion on religion when you are educating them for the first time in their life.

I agree as you noticed that the moarchists in the White movement were a minority but I by no means would call them irrelevant. They were a substantial force and played a big role.

>>1975606
> ignoring that the provisional government was only ever meant to be temporary
> ignoring that the duma part of it still had a ton of monarchists on it
> ignoring that they could have voted in a more stringent version of constitutional monarchy
> ignoring that the first leader of the provisional gov was Prince Lvov
> ignoring that they tried to give power to Nicholas' brother almost immediately
> ignoring that some people wanted Kornilov to take power

Nicholas II abdicated his throne because of pressure from all the different socialist factions which made up half of the provisional government. The duma half was very much in support of the way things were. Im not saying they didnt want some changes, but they certainly did not want to abandon monarchy.