Do let me get this straight Japan was one of the great powers

Not very

The Japanese were strongest at sea, and though their army was large their doctrines were dated and their industry would have never been able to manufacture what was needed to keep the Soviet juggernaut at bay.

>>1966835
>and though their army was large
"No." The casualties Germany took alone amounted to more than the living bodies that Japan could muster for the IJA.

>>1966845
Wiki says IJA had 6 million soldiers

>>1966851
And Germany took 6.9 million to 7.4 million casualties.

>>1966856
German government maintains that its records list 4.3 million dead and missing military personnel.

>>1966835
Didn't Germany have basically all of the Soviet military pinned down in the west? If Japan had cooperated with Germany, they probably could have taken the USSR.

>>1966851
How is it possible that an overpopulated island could not muster more soldiers, soviet style ?

>>1966864
And that number has been discredited as unreliable by many historians since it is pulled directly from official German High Command documents.

>"Russia entering the war made Japan surrender, nukes were yankee racism!"
>Russia had barely any landing craft, listed whaling ships as warships for their pacific fleet, and got their shit pushed in by Japanese garrisons in the Kuriles

nice try tankies

>>1966866
Remember that the Soviets were led by Zhukov.

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>>1966826
Read about pre-war Soviet/Japanese border conflicts in Mongolia in 39, battles of Khalkhin Gol specifically. Japs got their shit pushed in hard and decided that they should look elsewhere for expansion.
That conflict was also the first time based Zhukov got to send some Russians into a full scale counter-attack, that was literally his Toulon.
Pic is from much later Soviet invasion of Manchuria, where Japs got their shit pushed in even harder, but still related.

1945 - 1 million army was destroyed by Soviet army without any nuke

>>1966826
Japan was an island nation and a naval power.
Why do people immediately excuse the british for having the sort of army that the german police could tackle, but they give Japan shit about it?
Its always ships and planes with island nations, never soldiers and artillery. Look at the fucking map, look at Japan, look at Russia. OF COURSE Russia will have a stronger land army and tradition.

>>1966826
Read this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battles_of_Khalkhin_Gol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Japanese_War_(1945)

USSR destroy 1 million japanese army by 25 days

>>1967139
>Japan fought and lost badly to the USSR in 1939
>signed a peace deal in September 1939 to avoid further losses
>Germany started a war with the USSR in June 1941, hoping Japan will aid them and secure victory

?????
Did these people not talk to each other?!

>>1967143
No, they didn't.

But also, the Germans didn't hope for Japanese help until after they started losing. They honestly thought they would beat the Soviets in 10 weeks.

>>1967146
If you look at how the imperial russian army, and later the soviet army, had performed up until that point against Germany, Poland, Finland and Japan (which Germany didn't think much of honestly) you could see why.

Any person looking at the situation BEFORE the german offensive would've analyzed that its a good idea.
Similarly, any person looking at the situation before the german offensive into France would've said its a bad idea and it will end in war of attrition that the germans would lose, yet they broke clean through. So yeah, sometimes military magic happens.

>>1967007
>That conflict was also the first time based Zhukov got to send some Russians into a full scale counter-attack

Explains the casualties.

>>1967138
It's a tankie/self hating weab /pol/ poster thread. Don't bother trying to reason with anybody.

>>1967162
He had really shitty divisions to work with and he sent them into a full out counterattack after a forced march, but yeah. Troichatka mobilisation system is a bigger reason for Soviet manpower losses than the great purge.

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>>1967151
>Russians get rekt hard
>learn from their mistakes and come back stronger than ever
It's almost like it happened before at some point in history.

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>>1967428
I can't think of any such case.

Between Italy and Japan.
Who was a better ally?

Japanese were only good against shit-tier armies of China or against poorly trained and equipped colonial troops. As soon as they met with real soldiers (US troops in Guadalcanal) or with a real navy that wasn't hastily scraped together (Midway), they got their shit fucked up.Their only admirable quality was that their navy planes were better than US ones in the early part of the war and that they were fanatics who fought till the end.

>>1967483
Neither, but at least Italians contributed to the Axis in Russia or Africa. Japanese did nothing but bring USA into the war.

>>1967483
Japan was the guy who asks to borrow 5 dollars and never pays you back or talks to you again

Italy was the retarded but well meaning guy who'd do anything for germany but always got themselves into dumb shit germany had to save them from.

The bond Between Hitler and Mussolini was literally unbreakable, they fucking loved each other

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>>1967483
At the moment the axis formed and from a first glance, japan was a powerhouse compared to italy.
They were already fucking shit up in china, commissioning what was arguably the best fighter plane in history at the time and upping their battleship game.

In hindsight, I don't know. They both got rekt. Japan did put up more of a fight though.

>>1967537
>The bond Between Hitler and Mussolini was literally unbreakable, they fucking loved each other
Mussolini hated Hitler. He literally joined the war to have room to maneuver against Hitler (not that it worked).

>>1967834
Hitler did like Mussolini though. He admired and emulated him even as he assassinated his allies in Austria.

>>1966826
and it took millions of men and two nukes to teach them a lesson. how laughable is that?

>>1966826
>What was the Russo-Japanese War