tell me about the mughal empire persians? turks? indians?

>>1928386
Pakistan is the heir of the mughal empire.
India should hand itself over. It is only proper that the green flag of islam fly over the red fort.

Ps. Pakistanis are white and based.

>>1928392
I traveled to Pakistan just a few months ago and was surprised to see a lot of white people. I always imagined them looking like a mix between Arabs and Indians. But they were pretty based. Nice people too. Poor people who look like they were starving to death was always offering their food to travelers. The government is beyond corrupt though. Many people from Europe go there to bribe the police and kill people, either a cheating wife case or just greed for bloodshed. We had armed guides with us everywhere.

>>1928386
The Mughal Empire was the responsible of the Decline of Buddhism in India and Central Asia. All the people who are currently Muslims in that region have got Buddhist forebears.

> From 986 CE, the Muslim Turks started raiding northwest India from Afghanistan, plundering western India early in the eleventh century. Force conversions to Islam were made, and Buddhist images smashed, due to the Islamic dislike of idolarty. Indeed in India, the Islamic term for an 'idol' became 'budd'.
—Peter Harvey, An Introduction to Buddhism

Before Buddhism, those peoples probably practiced some kind of shamanism with Zoroastrian and Greek influences. Pretty much like nowadays Kalash people.

>>1928483
>mughals

>>1928483
>being this much in denial

Pakis were Hindus. One day after Modi smashes and annexes that country it will return to Hindus.

>>1929811
SUPERPOWER BY 2020

>>1928386
A Persianate Empire founded by A Turko-Mongol cunt and his multiethnic army.

Also if you ask them, they'll say
>We're Timurid
or
>Gurkani.

>>1929820
*2030

2020 will be a major milestone of India becoming 5th largest economy, and on track to being 4th, then 3rd in a few years following. It is also the date of the next planned ISRO Mars Mission.

>>1929858
>projections

>>1928392
>>1928400
t. Muhammed Abdul

>>1928386
Aurangzeb was a mistake

>>1929904
Muhammad was a mistake

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>>1929811
>>1929858
>>1929900
>>1929945

>>1929811
>being this much of a Hindu revisionist
hate to tell you Narendra but northern India was Buddhist dominated until the Muslims invaded at the moment its religious institutions were in decline. Only after that did Hinduism revive in the north. Ironically enough you can thank the Muslims for that.

>>1930242
isn't he the gentleman who couldn't land in his country in the late 90s?

>>1930296
beecause buddhist means giving up your local cultures and traditions like in abrahamic religions.

Wait, it doesn't. The Shahis were largely hindu.

>>1928400
>Nice people
>Required armed protection all the time.

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>>1928400
>>1928392
>Pakistanis are white

>>1929904
cry more fag

>>1930745
>Pedophilia.
A very white person crime btw.

>> 1930745

the pakistanis in the uk are probably the most unrepresentative group as they're almost all mirpuris (mirpur being one of the shittiest places in pakistan), while pakistan itself is largely punjabi.

>>1930825
A very shitskin and indi crime. White crime is more like.. doing cocaine I'd say.

>>1928386
Mughal is the Persian pronunciation of "Mongol", and they were one of the 3 big Islamic gunpowder empires. Despite being the successors of the Timurids, its rulers were renown for being relatively tolerant of different religious beliefs (as evidence with Hinduism having survived in India). They were probably the best thing that could have happened to India.

>>1931386
Nope. It's definitely pedophilia.
>FBI/Wanted lists
>White males are wanted for something financial, or pedophilia.

>Sex scandals of white catholic priests
>Pedophilia

>Main draw for White Sex tourists in Southeast Asia.
>Pedophilia.

>>1931386
Yes, because Jimmy Savile was a filthy shitskin right?

>>1931396
>probably the best thing
no.
Islamic influence wouldn't be too entrenched in India since the rajputs were still a major power in Northern India. The mughals also tried to fight the Rajputs, ended up intermarrying with them and made them loyal vassals.

>>1931409
I meant that in the sense that they were better than the British could have been. India was actually quite wealthy per capita under Mughal rule.

>>1931386
>A very shitskin and indi crime. White crime is more like.. doing cocaine I'd say.
WEW LAD

How can you be that racist and stupid on 4chan when we have /pol/ screaming in 20 different threads about Clinton Wiki emails with CHEESE PIZZA all over them?

PROTIP: They're all white people in the emails

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>>1930422

Yep, Nawaz Sharif. Cucked by Musharraf at one point but now he's the (corrupt) prime minister, looting the country.

>>1930745

Pashtuns, Kashmiris, Gilgit-Baltistanis, and Balochis tend to have a fair skin tone especially females but this "who is white" game is autistic.

Pic related: Chaudhary Nisar Ali Khan, another corrupt member of Nawaz's cabinet.

>>1931406
I like how shitskins always point out m-muh Savile when all rape gangs in the uk are pakis

>>1928386
Mughals, like so many other empires were driven by an imperial ideology that would bend for the sake of politics. Many people(here on this especially) would try to make a case that they are are the true ancestors of Pakistan, nothing to do with India, foreigners, or people who were able to subjugate the populace through force and committed terrible atrocities on Hindus and other political minorities. However, this is not true. As all empires they were self indulgent and made shrines to themselves in the form of tombs, forts and cities, mosques and at times temples.
The first two were often named after themselves to sell the idea of a grand imperial machinery and the latter, mosques and temples were done for apeasment and to legitimise their rule.
It is also to be noted that many of the leading Hindus were not relegated to the sidelines but became co conspirators in this imperial project. However, military posts were rarely given to Hindus but the same cannot be said of the finances and treasury of the state as the bulk of the bureaucracy came to be in the hands of the Hindus.
As far as socio economic policies, Islam came to be a state religion but during the rule of Akbar a reign of semi secularism was established. He greatly encouraged discussions on the issues of religion and his court boasted not only of Hindus, Buddhists and Muslims but also Christians and Jews. He established "sul-e-kul" or universal religion. He also was a patron of sufis and took keen interest in the bhakti movement. His rule was a long one and accomplished a lot many things and was able to establish a sort of pax mughlai in which religious tolerance was at a all time high. Jahangir(his son) and shahjahan( his grandson) were both inept rulers. Both spent all their energies towards arts and building cities and rarely emerged from the harem. Both were also famous drunkards and keen users of hash.
Shahjahans son Aurangzeb is were things get murky.

>>1932248
Aurangzeb ascended Tue throne by killing all his brothers, especially shahjahan's favourite and heir apparent, dara shukoh. Dara shukoh was a charismatic personality and an intellectual. He knew six languages and English was one of them! He wanted greater trade with the British who had started showing up the coast. What he was bad at was warfare and was killed when one of the strongest generals( a Hindu raja who gave up his suzerainty to accept shahjahan as his emperor in return his sawar or military rank be raised) betrayed dara shukoh to Aurangzeb who was realizing his sharia state in India would not be much of a success if he sidelined Hindu rajas.
Aurangzeb's rule is fraught with controversies as he was at times very puritanical in his approach to Islam. This can be seen in the backdrop that his father and grandfather had squandered away their wealth on "sins", he was brutal and strict because he was to keep a bankrupted kingdom together and many regional powers had also come to the forefront mainly from the deccan. One was the Bijapur Golconda Alliance while the other was the maratha Confederacy. The former was Muslim while the latter was Hindu. After a string of defeats, the Bijapur Golconda came in cahoots with the Marathas against Aurangzeb. Aurangzeb waged a bloody war for the rest of his life making bankrupted state further crippled with war expense and his authoritarian self rule led to no other great mughal ruler being produced. On his deathbed he defeated the Marathas but his death provoked further war of successions and emperors would drop dead within 2-4 years within the next hundred years 22 emperors came and went and even some interim councils and regents.
What also happened was the rise of regional rulers who never declared independence but made the mughal ruler a nominal, figurehead authority.
Theses conditions became a fertile ground for foreign invasions. First Nader shah, French and British then some Dutch and more British.

>>1932305
On the question of ethnicity they were turks. Descends from a Uzbeki/Tajik(?) guy called Tamar the lame(Tamerlane).
They drew from mongols through their female line. Fun fact: they hated being called mughals as they saw the mongols as barbarians and nomads. Through inter marriages they were a mix of Irani and North Indian people( especially with the Punjab and thar).
As it happens in many societies the light skinned Muslims and hindus (relatively few) became the bulwark of their administration. In them were the countless other ethnicities of Punjabi, Afghani, Irani and other central Asians. Turks were also common.and also the rajputs though they came on the bandwagon during first half of Akbar s rule.

>>1928392
The Mughals were the best of Islam and India mixed together.

Pakistan is the worst of Islam and India mixed together.

>>1928386
Mughals are great because they are Turkics descended from a descendant of Genghis Khan who practice a Persianate culture (and speak Persian) while ruling over India. At their height they displayed the best of all these qualities plus use of gunpowder and swords in their armies. Endlessly cool, I'd love to see fantasy setting inspired from Mughal-India or Safavid Persia.