What can we do to mitigate human overpopulation? Hard mode:

>>1926833
Barring massive social control, the only solution is space.

Overpopulation is a meme.

>>1926833
making children financially unviable

Overpopulation is a meme.

The population will stabilize at 9 billion.

Having kids is too expensive.

Stop subsidizing families and poorer countries

>>1926833
It'll level out by the end of the century.

Know what the average number of kids born per household in Bangladesh is nowadays? It was right around 5.5 about 50 years ago.

Now it's 2.3. The story is similar in a lot of developing countries.

The biggest factor inflating the numbers is all the people who are already alive, and who are going to survive for once, thanks to modern medicine.

When your offspring survive, you simply don't need that many. Especially if you're low on resources. That's just an evolutionary inclination. Families are naturally going to shrink.

But should you be really worried about it, spread awareness around contraception. It's a boring answer, but there's not that much to it.

>>1926843
>The population will stabilize at 9 billion.
This is true. But at the same time in most countries energy consumption and so on and so on is increasing.

I think the main problem is that the vast, vast majority of rapidly growing populations are in shithole countries in Africa and Asia. First world countries could manage because we have the dosh and technology to do so [space may be an issue in certain places] but a bunch of unskilled illiterates are going to have serious problems.

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>>1926843
>>1926878
>9 billion
>not 12 billion

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>>1926833

Overpopulation is a myth pushed by jews such as (((Paul R. Ehrlich)))

>>1926901
I didn't look at the number to be honest, I just agreed it will stabilize.

>>1926904
That chart fails to factor in all of the Africans flooding into Europe.

>>1926833

another round of plagues

>>1926849
Most developed countries are below fertility replacement rates, stoping subsidizing poor families does little
Poor countries that get aid and become wealthier would stop having so many kids.

>>1926875
This is the only good answer. We stand on the last demographic transition, the faster we spread knowledge of contraceptives, the less the population will grow.

Stop aiding subhuman races.

>>1927011
>This is the only good answer.
I don't agree because it implies that energy consumption is not a issue.
Both a reasonable population and reasonable energy consumption make the world more stable.

>>1927014
The OP did not ask at all about energy consumption or resource consumption, they asked about mitigating human overpopulation. If you want to talk about resource consumption, open up another thread.

Voluntarily suicide for old people

>>1926833
Better question: how do we accomodate for it?
Lots of people here like to complain about the sheer amount of Africans but you have to realize their population density is waaaaay lower than that of Europeans.

>>1926833

what can we do to mitigate depopulation? hard mode: no importing thirdworlders

>>1927018
>The OP did not ask at all about energy consumption or resource consumption, they asked about mitigating human overpopulation. If you want to talk about resource consumption, open up another thread.
Ok fine.
Just that OP does imply that overpopulation is the only issue.

Stop sending aid to Africa, they starve because they have 15 kids, if me and my gf had 5 kids we'd fucking starve.

>>1927022
>remove feminism
>remove immigration
>let the baby boomers die so families don't have to spend 50% of their income on rent.

condoms, immigration controls so only cultures that overpopulate suffer the consequences

>>1927022
Destroy pension system. People didn't want just children because all their money goes to elderly.

>>1927022
What is the benefit of mitigating depopulation? Eventually you will just have an even bigger aging population to deal with, it is better to learn how to care for the elderly and improve health so people can work for longer now.

>>1926833
Halt all food aid to all third world countries.

>>1926833
In places like Africa the population will manage itself, all you need to do is remove the technologies that allowed the population to get to the level it's at

Stop feeding the shitskins

>>1927075

this is actualy what people in third world countries keep saying

they want the developed world to stop bombarding them with humanitarian aid, cheap medicine and forced credit, stop treating them like retarded children and technicaly keeping corrupt despots in power, messing in their political affairs and so on, they want a chance to develop on their own and do their own thing

>>1927075
>>1927214
this tbqh

all this aid creates dependency, it's basically neo-colonialism

European countries still have a lot of stakes in Africa, it's just more subtle

>>1927069

>...so people can work for longer now.

that sounds like hell

only thing missing is somesort of institutionalised ''immortality'' program so you can work till your arms literaly drop off, then they fix you up with bionic new ones so you can keep on working

>>1927067
>>1927058

dont think thats enough, people are allready getting sick of feminist crap, and most are anti-immigrant, but even if the baby boomer burden was gone they would still be inhibited to start families

its like a new way of thinking is needed, a new mentality, or even a new religion, one where there are reasosns to make kids, or where the individual wievs himself and life in such a way that having kids comes spontaneously

id say for that wed need to get rid of individualism more than anything

>>1927089
>>1927214
>>1927052
>>1927022
>>1927013

Why is /pol/ shitting up my history board.

God I wish I was a mod.

>>1927238
> new way of thinking is needed, a new mentality, or even a new religion
You can't motivate people with empty words. Look at communism for an example. Society should be structured in such way that children aren't burden.

>>1927250

t. Literal fascist.

>>1926843
even one billion is too much.

>>1926833
Cut off any food aid, if you want food you better have a good agricultural sector or import or fucking die.

>>1926901
>12 billion
>not 11.75 billion

>>1926833
A "have one and then you're done" policy with childbirth.

>>1927353

thats how you do demographic collapse

>>1927250
>waaaah someone disagrees with he ban him

Reddit's that a way friend

>>1927456
Leftards hate freedom of speech

>>1926843
It will stablize for sure, but the overpopulation will is still and will be a thing. Mainly because poor country's inability to feed their own.

As they get richer, their population will level out.

>>1927250
Cheer up mate. You're a poet and you don't even know it :)

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>>1926843

Hey grampa, those projections are outdated, Africans keep breeding out of control. The revised medium projection of the UN assumes 11.2 bn people by 2100 and it will continue to grow. The reason for the revision of the projection is that scientists assumed that fertility in Sub-Saharan Africa would drop just like in the rest of the world, which has not been the case.

https://esa.un.org/unpd/wpp/publications/files/key_findings_wpp_2015.pdf

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2016/jan/11/population-growth-in-africa-grasping-the-scale-of-the-challenge

>Unfortunately, since the early 1990s, family planning programmes in Africa have not had the same attention, resulting in slow, sometimes negligible, fertility declines. In a handful of countries, previous declines have stalled altogether and are reversing.

global population is actually supposed to peak, stabilize, then start to actually rapidly decline under certain models

big crunch I think it was called

basically in 50 years people not having kids worldwide to stay above replacement level and all of the old people massively dying off will be a big problem and population levels will go into massive free fall and the human population is never supposed to actually grow again

>>1927250
t. Fascist

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>>1927022
>depopulation
hard mode: closed borders
outlaw abortion except for medically valid reasons, all children whom their mothers declare unwanted surrender their rights as caretakers to the state. Any woman carrying a state child will have all her medical expenses related to pregnancy compensated, and the child will be seized after birth.

All married couples above a specific income bracket required to enroll in a foster-parent selective service. Any family made to sponsor a state orphan gets a tax break as a compensation.

invest in childcare resources aimed at working class people to alleviate the burden of costs in raising a child in a modern economy, encouraging them to have children above the 2.1 limit.

Scrap the current educational model, restructure it from middle school beyond to better prepare children for life as working adults: lesser scoring students enrolling in vocational programs while better scoring students prepare for college. Lecture classes imbue students with a social conscious, Logic classes teach them engineering, computer, and scientific acumen. Classes are year round but the days are shorter, with apprenticeships forming the bulk of older student's time.

>>1927265
>>1927456
>>1927844
One should not tolerate the intolerant.

>>1926833
Sterilization, One Child policies, restriction of antibiotics, healthcare, drugs etc.

The whole world would have to go full China.

>>1927967
Poor people with no sexual education shouldn't be allowed to breed. It's irresponsible to others as well as toward the kids who will grow up with no access to education and proper healthcare, forcing them to turn to crime.

In the 20-30 years after Roe vs. Wade was implemented, the US violent crime rate plummeted dramatically. Africa needs to have similar measures if it wishes to build stable societies.

>>1927377
are you implying it would be a bad thing ?

>>1927052
The big problem is that development actually decreases birth rates.

People will have more kids the less likely it is each individual kid will survive, because there isn't exactly social security, and having children that survive is the only way to make it to old age.

>>1926833
More social insurances im not even memeing the lack of any of these in poor countries is the reason why they need so many children. Someone has to take care of them when they are old or ill and cant work anymore

>>1928015
>World
No you mean Africa, South America,and East Asia.

>>1927967
But anon you are intolerant for not tolerating his intolerance you hypocrite.

>>1928115
No, western countries are going to have to weaken pension systems and geriatric care institutions. These people don't produce anything and are a net drain on society. The longer they live, the more people are going to have to labor to support them in old age.

>>1928139
Dont give a shit western places are not overpopulated.

>>1928144
Wut? Germany is nearly as overpopulated as much of India. The reason they're performing so shy economically is because pension systems are draining the tax dollars of the populace.

You need to control the population of the aging populace or the system isn't sustainable.

>>1928162
Those old guys built the country from scrap and ruins, they deserve their pensions.

>>1928162
India has over a billion people, Germany doesnt even have as many humans as Bangledesh.

Again overpopulation is for Africa, South America, Middle East, and East Asia, not Europe or North America end of discussion.

>>1928253
At the expense of the younger generations quality of life?
>>1928269
We're not talking overall population, we're talking density. Of course India is going to have more people than Germany, it's a subcontinent with a gigantic landmass, unlike Germany. There needs to be some form of population control so that productive people are born and welfare leeches are kept to a minimum.

>>1928162
"Overpopulated" is a ratio, not an absolute number.

Germany is rich as fuck. They will continue to have much, much higher standards of living than India.

>>1926833
No one here knows shit about the world so asking for tips on overpopulation is futile.

>>1928281
In India not Germany.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Countries_by_Population_Density_in_2015.svg

here's the population density map of the world

>>1928296
absolutely trash bureaucracy does a good job of that.

>>1927021
>In the vast territory which includes Benin, Cameroon, Cote d'Ivoire, Gabon, Central African Republic, Chad and Togo, an area six times the size of France, has only 77 million people to France's 63 million.

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>>1928286
Those living standards aren't currently sustainable though. Indias are.

>>1928269
Europe is overly dense though and can be thought up of as too much population density which is pretty bad in it's own way.

It's the most dense out of any continent by far with most countries having a notably high density compared to other continent's where it massively fluctuates.

>>1926833
Genocide third worlders.

Inferno was such a bad movie

>>1928314
You know, a lot of those resources come from fossil fuels which are being phased out as primary energy sources as we speak.

>>1926833
>human
>overpopulation

Most of the population consume basically no resources. The vast majority of waste - and the *entire* problem of 'overpopulation' - comes from an extreme minority of people who could be easily targeted with limits and standards if they didn't control the global political system.

>>1928357
Overpopulation is more of a quality of life issue than it is a resources one.

The planet COULD support up to and including 20 billion humans, but the vast majority of those people would be living in total poverty. There would not be enough resources to give everyone a decent standard of living, and that's assuming a one world government where things are run more smoothly. As it stands now, we need to control population growth so that living standards can catch up in less developed parts of the world.

>>1928409
No not really. We have more then enough resources but it's just horribly inefficient (compare western to developing agriculture), wasteful (modern supermarkets) or focused towards one group and everything bring maintained so that group benefits the most while others are left out.

>>1928326
Shut up jew.

>>1928423
Yeah, but that would require a massive mentality shift and a change in the way we live our lives, which isn't likely to happen.

>>1928435
People said that many times in the past about many things.

>>1926833
Educating women and giving them careers. Major studies show this reduces fertility rates in first world and third world countries.

>>1928409
>we need to control population growth so that living standards can catch up in less developed parts of the world.

Even pretending all populations leveled out tomorrow, barring literal miracles in nuclear energy and negative emissions technologies this is still an extinction scenario. Convincing those who have it to give it up is the only survivable path, and population simply is not part of the problem.

>>1928445
And? Things are still fundimentally the same societally as they have been for much of history. There's the haves and the have nots, people seek to improve their status in society, profit is what drives buisness more than anything. We strive for comfort and security as always.

For people to suddenly go "We need to sacrifice our quality of life because it's wasteful" would be very difficult.

>>1928453
So essentially, we go full Khmer Rogue?

>>1928453
>extinction scenario

Nigga please.

You're talking about a species that has successfully inhabited everything from -60 degree arctic tundra to 120 degree desert.

Global industrial civilization might collapse, but as long as humans have fire and spears, there's a niche for them on this planet.

>>1926833
>Education in third-world countries
>Implement better farming techniques in third-world countries
>Birth control, esp. in third-world countries
>Possibly space in the very long term
Also not /his/ related

>>1928463
>You're talking about a species that has successfully inhabited everything from -60 degree arctic tundra to 120 degree desert.

You're talking about a species that has only survived two tiny atom bombs but still feels cocky enough to keep ~2581 strategic warheads on high alert, more soon if China brings theirs on like they're planning to. A species that has spent the last year losing its global shit over a 5 million-refugee crisis while determinedly planning to inflict one ~forty times larger on itself in twenty to thirty years. Barring (again) literal miracles, we're going down with all hands and if fire and spears have a problem with that they can write a letter to the editor or whatever.

>>1926919
No if they were included the line would slope downward more

>>1928281
>At the expense of the younger generations quality of life?
Worthless little shits, most of them. And they wouldn't have anything if it weren't for those old folks who built it all.

I'm one of those worthless little shits, and I will happily pay my grandparents' pensions.

That said, I would just as happily evade all taxes and dismantle the welfare system because it's a hugely bloated affair that disincentivizes individual responsibility.

>>1926833
Western countries and East Asia will drop in population, leaving emerging developing countries to replace them which will stabilize things. Problem solved.

>>1928456
>For people to suddenly go "We need to sacrifice our quality of life because it's wasteful" would be very difficult.

Well there was the whole environment standards in the US that popped up after people had enough of the pollution that was going on.

>>1927238
>that sounds like hell
And? I can't change the laws of physics. Population can't increase forever.

Either we go full Logan's Run or we work a little longer and invest more in social welfare. It is better we adapt and prepare for it now before pollution, climate change and resource depletion become bigger problems.

It works like this. People get good healthcare and when they are 50 to 70 they work in warm comfy offices. Because most of the workforce works cosy office jobs this increases the demand for manual labor and more people in their 20s and 30s take the higher paid manual labor jobs.

>>1928541
Trucking up the elderlies pensions as well as my own is not worth it.

The minute a government says "We ain't paying" people will riot because they wasted years to paying into it because a 30+ yearpromise broken with money involved someone is gonna get shot/hurt.

>>1928496
Anon, we've detonated well over 2,000 nuclear weapons already.

>>1928576
No you just flooded the manual labour market. The only reason those manual labour jobs pay well is because the labour base for them is small. Hell the whole meme about manual labour jobs being high paying comes with a catch like every other high paying job and usually the "join x field meme" is a ploy some do to drive down wages/salaries in a certain field.

Same reasons hospitals understaff a lot. You pay less and the doctors and nurses accept it because they get paid more even if they have to work a fuckton of overtime.

>>1926833
Feminism and related politics will drive the sexes apart.

>>1926833
>What can we do to mitigate human overpopulation?

Natural circumstance will level it out - it is inevitable.

>>1926833
Do nothing

Famine, disease and war will cut down the human population to a stable equilibrium between the birth rate and mortality rate. If there is room for population increase then population increase will occur, and if there is excess population then the excess will perish.

>inb4 edgy

>>1926833
Nothing, it's mitigating itself.

>>1928570
Yeah, but that was because pollution was affecting their quality of life. Now they just export all the waste and garbage to Africa and South East Asia where they pile up in huge toxic landfills.

>>1926833
Infectious disease and global-warming related changes (famine and strife) will thin us out. There will be massive refugee movements, and I doubt many 'safer' nations will be able to resist the flood. What remains when the dust settles will be interesting, but I suppose that some kind of technocratic elite will remain. If you've read (or seen) Cloud Atlas, it's like the final future story. At least, that's how I've always imagined it.

>>1928596

Only 604 of them before the PTBT put them underground, and all but the two aimed to minimize rather than maximize damage. It's easy to survive shit that doesn't happen to you. I've survived over 3,200 fatal car crashes just in the last day.

>>1928609
I was talking about supply and demand specifically.

If there are more white collar workers the cost of things like accountancy decreases and businesses have higher profit margins and can expand.

This expansion increases demand for other resources, because the number of young manual laborers doesn't change much the price increases.

>>1926833
You don't. You just contain what needs to be contained and wait.

>>1928652
Doesn't change the basic fact that nuclear weapons are only really a problem for people in fallout range.

Are you talking about very serious problems if that shit flies? Yes.

Are you talking about widespread state failure? Maybe.

Will people like the Sentinalese or New Zealand or whatever go extinct because muh magic?

No.

There are 7 billion humans on earth. In order for humans to go extinct, you need to push that population to below 1,000 breeding humans. Much less if you want to be sure.

>>1928706
>Doesn't change the basic fact that nuclear weapons are only really a problem for people in fallout range.

Detonating 2000 at once is different from detonating them one at a time in ways that should be obvious.

>Will people like the Sentinalese or New Zealand or whatever go extinct because muh magic?

Muh magic certainly isn't gonna make the global ecosystem anything but interdependent

>In order for humans to go extinct, you need to push that population to below 1,000 breeding humans. Much less if you want to be sure.

Yeah, the survivors around the world are gonna reunite into one population through the space-destroying force of love, it'll be just like Interstellar

>>1926833
Better land development
Clearing mine fields
Ultranational grants for farmers incentivizing population redistribution

Most countries dont use most of their land to begin with, if Saudi Arabia can have a commercial farm the size of lebanon then we can find a way to turn any piece of land into a profitable nation with a strong agrarian backing, all it takes is infrastructure and incentive

>>1927701
Wait, are you telling me that these undeveloped countries that are still undeveloped aren't dropping in fertility rates?

Crazy.

wait for inevitable war for fresh water.

the depletion of easy to get phorphor rock.

shifting weather patterns turn huge sections arable land in arid land.

>most of 4chan will live long enough to see humanity nearly go extinct. t

>>1928042
A lot of stuff has happened in the last 20-30, I'm sure Roe vs. Wade hasn't caused the whole fucking drop in crime.

>>1930142
the removal of lead from gasoline.

the US just started keeping people in prison forever, or the cops just shoot you.

>>1927467
>muh freedumbs

>>1928326
Asia has 4 times the land mass of Europe and 6 times the population so it is the most densely populated continent.

>>1930074
...and water, fertilizers, ecological monitoring, etc.

>>1926833
nuke everything except europe (cockroaches and the muslim nations in the balkans excluded), burgerland and the nippons

>>1931320
Nuking is a waste of resources and colonizable land. Much better to spread plagues or something and slam the gates on our borders.