When and why did Western labor organizations lose their left-wing

>>1923808
I'm not too eloquent, but Zizek worded it well as 'nice capitalism'. Living standards for laborers were raised just enough to significantly reduce incentive to be part of a union and go on strikes and so on.

>>1923808

Because they saw the results of socialism and communism unfold. And how barbaric it is

>>1923825

this

social democracy was the death of the west's left as it was known until the 50

probably around the time they got hijacked by new left post modernist anti white drug addict graduate students

>>1923844

It didn't get hijacked it moved to a further extreme on it's own. Normal people don't want anything to do with lunatic leftists

>>1923834
Nowhere near as barbaric as capitalism

>>1923837
Let's not forget killing Rosa-chan

>>1924022

Top kek.

Communism calls for the death of those who are non complaint.

>>1923844
This, there are no workers or even a concern for workers beyond the superficial in the modern left.

>>1924034
Are you suggesting capitalism doesn't?

South Asia is filled with shantytowns of women who must choose between prostitution or starvation.

>>1924042
That's because the modern left isn't very leftist

>>1924050

Yes

No one "preaching" Capitalism is killing them or forcing them into prostitution

People spouting communist believes have killed millions in the name of their ideology

>>1924042

>This, there are no workers or even a concern for workers beyond the superficial in the modern left.

Why would there be? History has shown that the workers republics inevitably become authoritarian states with stagnant economies.

>>1924058
>History has shown that the one party republics inevitably become authoritarian states with stagnant economies.
ftfy

>>1924057
>No one "preaching" Capitalism is killing them or forcing them into prostitution
But supporting capitalism helps perpetuate these things.

>>1924143

Not really Prostitutes make more money than a burger flipper. Especially when Prostitution is legal

>>1923808
Indian here. Trade unions are often recruiting ground and are affliated to political parties and the indian political establishment is deeply partisan and socialist.

>>1924149
But prostitutes are still under economic coercion to sell their bodies to survive.
Doesn't matter how much money they can rake in, young women are still being forced to have sex they don't want to to survive.
This is the reason that things like prostitution can't be empowering, despite some sex-positive feminists claiming it can.

>>1924169
well they are trading services for cash.
It is about as empowering as a janny.

>>1924169

No they do that on their own. They could get a job in a factory, or as a maid. They choose to whore themselves out

>>1924183
>They could get a job in a factory, or as a maid.
What if these jobs aren't available? And is it really a choice if you have to slave away either way?

>>1924193
You'd "slave" away in a Factory under communism as well.

>>1924183
>They could get a job in a factory, or as a maid.
proofs?

third world prostitutes aren't your typical girl in LA with a good rack that decides it's easier to earn $5k a week laying on her back in front of a camera a few times a week

>>1924204
I'm not even neccessarily advocating for communism, simply criticsing capitalism, though I have to say that in communism it does seem a little better, but I know a lot less about it.

If you want to argue that slavery is a neccisity in all societies, be my guest.

>>1924232

Too stupid to respond to seriously

>>1924240

Not really. In a capitalistic system you always have the chance to improve your lot in life. In a communist society you can't. So if your a poor sod now you'll always be poor. Always dependent on a dwindling society of income. Always getting less and less bread in the bread line.

>>1924293

*source

>>1924293
>Too stupid to respond to seriously
So you don't have proofs that they're all just passing on factory jobs?

K

>>1924293
>Not really. In a capitalistic system you always have the chance to improve your lot in life.
Except certain economic situations will easily prevent you from that.
To use prostitution as an example, a girl stuck in shitty prostitution isn't getting and qualifications or anything that will help her pursue a career once she's old and busted, but due to the nature of capitalist society, she needs to earn money. Therefore she is trapped in a shitty loop of whoring until she's too old, then she'll either starve to death or get a bottom of the barrel job.

>>1924310

Yeah like I said earlier Whores make more money than other jobs.

>>1924315
Except with the money she makes she could invest it, or go to school. Only a stupid person starves in a capitalistic system and even then there are charities and safety nets in place that people like you like to forget about

>>1924315
>To use prostitution as an example, a girl stuck in shitty prostitution isn't getting and qualifications or anything that will help her pursue a career once she's old and busted, but due to the nature of capitalist society, she needs to earn money. Therefore she is trapped in a shitty loop of whoring until she's too old, then she'll either starve to death or get a bottom of the barrel job.

>learn how to do only one thing
>can no longer make a living when you are no longer able to do thing
Welcome to every job ever moron.

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>>1924033
Auf, auf zum Kampf, zum Kampf!
Zum Kampf sind wir geboren!!
Auf, auf zum Kampf, zum Kampf!
Zum Kampf sind wir bereit!!
Dem Karl Liebknecht, dem haben wir's geschworen!
Der Rosa Luxemburg reichen wir die Hand!

>>1924336
>Only a stupid person starves in a capitalistic system
How does this justify capitalism? Meritocracy isn't a good thing, even if capitalism was a meritocracy.
>>1924339
So since someone makes a mistake and gets caught in a shitty loop forever that's fine?

>>1924169
prostitution is a necessity. it'll never go away. women will always use their bodies for resources and some men simply cannot or do not want to go through the usual routines needed to get sex. all workers sell their bodies or brains for money. it should be safe and legal

>>1924166
what's the Maoist movement there like?

>>1924336
>Yeah like I said earlier Whores make more money than other jobs.
Proofs?

>>1924340
>be stupid enough to fail at revolution in a defeated country where the ruling class had just abandoned everything and fled
>get idolized 100 years later by communists who don't want to be held responsible for the crimes of Leninism and Rosa Luxemburg is "clean" enough since she never held actual power

>>1924361
>maoist
>commie
they probably don't even know where china is. It is focused on the least developed parts of the country that are rich in minerals. Its largely disgruntled tribals who flip flop between voting in elections and then supporting maoists who blow up infrastructure made to help tribals.

>>1924353
>So since someone makes a mistake and gets caught in a shitty loop forever that's fine?
Yes.
Go be Captain Save-a-Hoe somewhere else.

>>1924353

Communism gets you stuck in a shitty loop regardless of what you do and you can never get out of it

>>1924363
The fact that people do it voluntarily

Most unions in Latin America are not really socialist, they are just corporatist and want to kill their privileges.

The most radical unions, at least in Brazil, are teacher's unions, oil industry worker's union and public sector unions, because their members are more "educated" (ie indoctrinated by Marxism). Regular unionized workers only want to keep their paid vacations, thirteenth salaries, and other benefits of Brazilian labour law.

I imagine it's the same in most of Latin America.

>>1924361
>prostitution is a necessity. it'll never go away. women will always use their bodies for resources and some men simply cannot or do not want to go through the usual routines needed to get sex. all workers sell their bodies or brains for money. it should be safe and legal
I do agree it should be legalised, but legalisation doesn't solve the nastiness of it.
>>1924381
not an argument, maybe reddit is more to your style?
>>1924382
>Communism gets you stuck in a shitty loop regardless of what you do and you can never get out of it
I'm criticising capitalism. Why are you bringing this up?

>>1924385
>kill their privileges

I mean keep their privileges.

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>>1924374
>>be stupid enough to fail at revolution in a defeated country where the ruling class had just abandoned everything and fled
The nobles did but the industrialists, Junkers and military elites hadn't. Who do you think got the Freikorps/army to put down the uprisings from 1919-1923? Germany was cut off.

>>get idolized 100 years later by communists who don't want to be held responsible for the crimes of Leninism and Rosa Luxemburg is "clean" enough since she never held actual power

Plenty of communists rejected Leninism even before he took power in 1917. Luxemburg remained popular in the Weimar Republic even as the KPD leadership became Stalinised. Leninism is a warped ideology.

>>1924386

Because your criticisms are weak and everything you said can be found in communist societies in worse conditions

>>1924382
>The fact that people do it voluntarily
OK so you don't have proof.

>>1924406

And you have nothing proving that you are correct either.

>>1924402
>Because your criticisms are weak and everything you said can be found in communist societies in worse conditions
Then why not address my criticisms instead of just saying 'b-but in communism it would be worse'!

I'm not arguing for communism, I'm arguing against capitalism.

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>>1924378
Maoism is pretty shit in general I agree, but at least they're resisting the Indian state.

>>1924385
There's some radical unions and syndicates all over the world. Most of them are reformist and labour aristocracy, true. The CGT in France, CNT in Spain etc are decent though

I wish the IWW would come back

>>1924413

I already have. You just choose to ignore them

>>1924412
>>1924406
http://thoughtcatalog.com/christine-stockton/2013/10/things-i-learned-from-a-high-end-prostitute/

>>1924444
>I already have. You just choose to ignore them
if you don't want to argue, then just say, I addressed your points
nice quads btw

>>1924436
>resisting a democratically elected state that is trying to get them access to hospitals and electricity.
cute.

>>1924450

Because you deliberately ignored them to try to shift the argument in your favor

>>1924412
You made the claim prostitution pays better than factory jobs and you can't prove it.

You are under the illusion there is an abundance of factory work and all prostitution is simply done voluntarily by women who simply don't want to do factory work. Which you're pulling out of your ass.

Too bad, so sad.

>>1924454
>Because you deliberately ignored them to try to shift the argument in your favor
point out how I did this specifically

>>1924454
>>1924444
nice get but the prostitutes that you showed aren't the same that anon tried to make an emotional appeal with.

>>1924452
>democratically

No such thing as democracy under capitalism. Only the sham of parliamentarianism. The true mechanisms of society are outside their control.

>>1924444
women in rural Thailand with no other opportunities are high end escorts now?

go away, idiot

>>1924336
>I think whoring in a first world is the same as third world
Even some exploitation still goes on in the first world

>>1924457

All someone has to do is read the thread

>>1924455
>>1924461
Even the average street walker makes more.

>>1924471

They just move to Bangkok or Hong Kong

>>1924468
too bad india is barely capitalist. It still remains a largely socialist country with some ease of business in service sector jobs. Land acquisition is a mess for the most part, and local level governments are quite robust at helping out their communities.

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>>1924401
>Who do you think got the Freikorps/army to put down the uprisings from 1919-1923?

The German people, who didn't want to be ruled by Jewish communists.

>>1924475
>All someone has to do is read the thread
not an argument
like I said, it's ok if you don't want to talk to me, just don't do it as if you 'won' the argument

>>1924475
>Even the average street walker makes more.
Proofs?

>>1924485

Too lazy to read. To lazy to engage in actual conversation when it doesn't go the way you want it to. It's no wonder you support communism

>>1924481
>lose the war
>allies are about to walk into germany
>you have no food.
>"DA JOOZ"

>>1924492
>It's no wonder you support communism
I see you're the one too lazy to read.
kys

>>1924498

I know that you claimed to be playing devil's advocate but your real beliefs are quite obvious

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>>1924481
sup /pol/

liebknecht wasn't remotely jewish in any sense and the rest of them were atheists.

even if communist was some jooooish conspiracy it's still better than fascism

>>1924501
>playing devil's advocate
I never claimed this. I simply said I was criticising capitalism, which doesn't immediately mean communism.

>>1924505

Do you think you are fooling anyone?

>>1924496
antisemitism is the oldest trick in the book. it's amusing how the jews are blamed for being both capitalist and communist at different times

>>1924501
Nice black and white view

>I have problems with capitalism
>"FUCKING TANKIE DIE"
average /his/ thread.

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>>1924057
>killed millions in the name of their ideology
Implying Capitalism is pure and innocent

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>>1924519
tankies are state capitalists tbqh senpai

>>1924515
do you think you're fooling anyone about you actually being from reddit?

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>>1924530
>reddit boogeyman

>>1924534
>boogeyman
reddit! long time no see, eh?

>>1924519
>"I think we should nationalize the means of production, exterminate the kulaks and kill the bourgeoisie"
>"Well, I disagree"
>"GO BACK TO /pol/!!!"

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>>1924481

>waaahhhh it's all a Jewish plot

So I suppose Mao, Guevara and Castro were communists too?

>>1924539
he literally said that he has some issues with capitalism.
That doesn't make him a commie you americunt moron.

Do they teach you political and economic theories using comic books?

>>1924530
>Distraction tactics

>>1924522
Yes, yes it is as Capitalism isn't a ideological theory that tells people to do things

>>1924540
apparently so. and all those millions of communist party members in Germany, France, Italy etc? All Jews! Let's also ignore that all communists oppose Israel...

>>1924539

>Hey guys, want a GIANT redpill? THE HOLOHOAX WAS A LIE MADE BY JEWS TO GUILT TRIP THE WEST
>/pol/ please go
>OY, VEY JIDF DETECTED, YOURE NOT FOOLING ANYONE, SHEKELBERG, MY TRIPLE DIGIT ARYAN IQ WILL ENSURE THE SURVIVAL OF THE WHITE RACE

>>1924540
Fidel Castro is a Sephardi Jew.

>>1924540

*jews

>>1924546
Capitalism forces people to do horrible things to survive

>>1924549
>when you realise the holocaust did happen, but it was actually way more jews than six million
>however the holocaust was orchestrated by a jewish elite, to wipe out sectarian jews en masse

>>1924550

He was a Catholic and has no Jewish ethnicity within him. Try again

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>>1924546
>Yes, yes it is as Capitalism isn't a ideological theory that tells people to do things
you're right, there's no direct galvanizing mechanism that says "go here, kill them". Instead it's an anti-intellectual movement promoting greed, exploitation, and colonialism, it is privatized cruelty exported on a vast scale.

>>1924550
Proofs?

>>1924553

No it doesn't. And you've already cried about this earlier in the thread. They could easily get another job

>>1924553
Reality forces people to do horrible things to survive.

If you abolish the private ownership of the means of production today, tomorrow people would still need to do something to eat, be clothed and sleep under a roof.

>>1924293
A homeless woman in Bangladesh has absolutely no means of social mobility.

Capitalism only allows social mobility in developed economies. Until shitty jobs are entirely automated, many economies must remain undeveloped to support the first world.

>>1924548

Absolutely, we should also completely dismiss the fact that Hitler believed that capitalism was also a Jewish invention!

We should also ignore the various branches of communism which were practiced internationally by other people as well! But what am I saying? Those Mexicans were probably secret Jews as well!

>>1924561
no they can't you retard.
We were talking about south asian girls. A lot of them get married off and work as maids or such. Factory jobs are much harder to come by since india's industrial growth is growing slowly and there is rampant abuse of laws.

Not to mention that being a sweatshop economy, worker's benefits like maternal leave, healthcare and the like aren't provided by your employer.

>>1924559

Wew looks like you drank the kool-aid

>>1924564
>>1924570

The first world used to be that bad too. You don't communism to get labor laws put in place.

>>1924573
the threat of organized worker's rebellion was a major catalyst for giving generous worker's rights.

There is a reason why May Day is celebrated all over the world by commies.

>>1924550
>Nearly 95% of Jews left Cuba for the United States after the arrival of Fidel Castro and his implementation of a communist government

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Cuba

Suuuuure he was Sephardic

>>1924573
>Wew looks like you drank the kool-aid
That's ironic because the actual kool-aid drinkers were hard-core Christfags

>>1924557
Many Latin American "Catholics" are descended from families that publicly converted from Judaism to Christianity in Spain but still practiced judaism privately. Such families are very common in Northern Mexico, the Andean region of Colombia, Eastern Bolivia and São Paulo, in Brazil.

I guess some went to Cuba too.

>>1924563
you're right, and they would finally have the means to do it easily

>>1924587
You still didn't prove Castro was one of them.

>>1924590
That's your wishful thinking, there is no reason to believe that.

>>1924563
>If you abolish the private ownership of the means of production today, tomorrow people would still need to do something to eat, be clothed and sleep under a roof.
Could you elaborate? I don't see a contradiction.

>>1924579

Those things aren't related.

>>1924522
>Dat padding of numbers with unrelated shit
>Capitalism causes diseases n shit.

>>1924598
yes they are

>>1924601

No they aren't wanting more rights doesn't equate to wanting communism

>>1923808
Just became Social Democrats like any normal person instead of being edgy spergs

>>1924603
>>1924603
wanting more rights when it cuts into your employer's pockets sure does sound like it.

>>1924607

No, not at all

>>1924600
Literally all it does is use the same methodology that Capitalists use to come up with the "100 gorillion people killed by communists!" just to demonstrate how hyperbole works

>>1924579
>The threat of commies chimping out and killing millions of innocent people caused governments to quell the masses by having them rely on state programs and protections
Ftfy

>>1924614
>muh millions of people were killed by marx
>its ok when capitalist corporations kill people

>>1924611

No because Communists actually ordered the killings and policies that lead to 100 million dead. Your picture uses made up facts and opinions

>>1924611
The reason Communism is abhored isn't because it caused death. It's abhored because the death it caused via the Cultural Revolution, Stalin's Purges, Pol Pot's Killing Fields etc. were all explicitly done to work towards communism and in a self destructive fashion with revolutionary leaders killing millions of their own people.

>>1924619
And when the BEIC ordered killings of agricultural workers and started a policy of replacing foodcrops with cash crops, it was cool because capitalism didn't explicitly order that.

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>>1924605
>Social Democrats

Yes that's right, good prole

>>1924624

And the BEIC is what?

>>1924628
The British East India Company.

>>1924618
>muh millions of people were killed by marx
Not by Marx, by his disciples who took his writings as gospel. It spread like Christfaggotory and Islam by killing innocents and calling those disagree with them heretics/counter revolutionaries.

Communism is a political religion that feeds off of gullible peoples beliefs and allows megalomaniacs to justify mass slaughter in the name of "utopia" that none of them will ever see.

>>1924631
and capitalism says
>its ok bro, we are all animals. We shouldn't strive to be better than our instincts

>>1924624

What year was this and do you have proof

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>>1924636
>Animals have a concept of private property, means of production, and personal ownership.

>>1924638
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Bengal_famine_of_1770

>>1924641
>people are inherently shitty and will backstab each other and the only obligation we have is to CONSUME

>>1924631
>utopia

Why do people always say this? Communists are not idealists. They are materialists. They don't believe in religious concepts of a utopian heaven on earth. Marx and Engels trashed the utopian socialists of the early 19th century for a reason.

>>1924481
bait

>>1924638
it's well documented that Britain starved millions in India. Right up until the end of colonisation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943

And I say that as a Britbong

>>1924646

Definitely shitty but capitalism isn't to blame

>>1924650
The belief that after the establishment of common ownership of the means of production and the abolition of class society all problems will disappear is utopian, no matter how much "scientific" Marx's theory of alienation appears to be.

>>1924666
>all problems will disappear
epic, simply epic
who claims this?

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>>1924662
>private corporation
>hoards wealth to the detriment of it's 'employees'
>"its not capitalism"

>>1924622
>via the Cultural Revolution, Stalin's Purges, Pol Pot's Killing Fields et
similar horrors were visited upon the people of central America and colonial Africa, all in the name of protecting capitalism. The Irish potato famine was caused by capitalistic market manipulations in the aftermath of the Potato Blight.

So what's more moral: killing people in the name of making the world a better place, or killing people in the name of lining the pockets of fabulously wealthy profiteers?

>>1924649
>people are inherently shitty and will backstab each
Capitalists don't say this. They say people are competitive and will seek to gain advantages over others.
>>1924650
>>1924667

>Communists are not idealists. They are materialists.
https://mises.org/library/marx-utopian

>>1924659
I hate it when commies imply that colonialism and capitalism are the same thing.

They aren't. The economic system of colonialism is mercantilism.

>>1924667
When Marx blames all the things he doesn't likes (violence, religion, etc) on "alienation" brought by class society, it's implied that when class society doesn't exists anymore, these things won't exist either.

>>1924667

Communists

>>1924669
It's not.

The East India company was closer to a nation than an actual company.

>>1924671
The Mick famine was allowed because they thought the Irish were subhuman parasites lower than blacks. Not because of Capitalism

>>1924666
they don't think all problems will disappear. They believe the coercive and exploitative nature of class society/struggle will become a thing of the past as people's needs are met, but we'll still have to deal with all sorts of problems. I don't see climate change or deforestation being solved any time soon

>>1924667
not him nor do I necessarily agree with him but don't even make pretend Marxists don't blame all social ills on capitalism that will all go away once it's replaced. Everything from racism to child abuse to alcoholism to Cletus beating his wife is blamed on capitalism.

>>1924683
>it was closer to a nation
it was structured like a company
it acted like a company and tried to protect it's financial wealth
It just had the financial might of one of the richest places in the world which it drained for it's own profit.

>>1924671
Yeah, but not by their own leaders who they trusted, by foreign occupiers who didn't know their culture or speak the language. There was also much resistance by the natives to imperialism and people in imperialist nations themselves knew what they were doing was wrong.

Communist leaders justified betraying their own peoples trust and killing them by extensive use of propaganda that this was just "another necessary measure" to stamp out capitalist influences in society and people went along with it. That's what made it so much more terrifying.

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>>1924683
>The Mick famine was allowed because they thought the Irish were subhuman parasites lower than blacks. Not because of Capitalism

It was done to keep the markets ticking. Racism and capitalism go hand in hand to keep the workers divided, the actual elites don't give a shit which race they deal with

>>1924688

Pls it was pretty much it's own country with almost no oversight from the U.K until the Sepoy rebellion

>>1924676
>that colonialism and capitalism are the same thing.
Not all capitalistic societies practice colonialism, but all colonial societies during the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries practiced capitalism.

The Opium Wars is a perfect example of the British government going to war to protect free enterprise (in this case, the opium trade which was making Britain fabulously wealthy) despite the attempts of the Chinese central bureaucracy to stop the public health scourge that opium addiction had become.

>>1924690
>they knew what they were doing was wrong
Imperialists also justified it by saying it was for the greater good. White man's burden was used to sell it to people back on the homeland.

>>1924671
How about you don't kill people at all since those people who you are killing you are also depriving of your the so called "better place" you made the world by killing them?

>>1924694

Except it was religious reasons why they hated each other which was still very important to people back then.

And racism has nothing to do with capitalism.

This is one of the reasons why no one wants to interact with you lunatic leftards you say stupid shit and make yourself look dumb

>>1924695
>no oversight
so what?
it was a company.
It's stocks were bought and sold and traded.
It used it's financial clout to influence politics to it's favor back in blighty.
Private entities often have no oversight from governments as long as they keep their noses clean.

>>1924699
And very few people believed it, as is evidence with the numerous anti colonial societies and protests in America and Europe. If you tried something similar in historically communist countries you'd be shot in the back of the head as a counter-revolutionary.

>>1924708

Companies are highly regulated especially when they have royal grants funding them.

>>1924705
>And racism has nothing to do with capitalism.
Why do all communists oppose racism then? "The Internationale", "workers of the world unite" etc.

>>1924709
>anti colonial societies
oh please.
The entire british empire was built on the back of colonial exploitation. Having a few useful idiots stay far away from power does nothing when private corporations keep looting and pillaging countries far abroad for profit.

>few people believed it.
Sure they did. Which is why racial ideas of hierarchy were so popular.

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>>1924700
>How about you don't kill people at all
How about you grow a pair? You think world revolution will come from timidly blogging about it? These are third world shitholes where corporations hire private thugs to gun down rioting workers. That the communists adopted this behavior shouldn't come as a surprise considering it's the world they grew up in.

Places with a strong democratic tradition use ballots instead of bullets to make their point, but then you have the problem of people electing politicians whom you don't like, like Allende

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>>1924714
>Why do all communists oppose racism then?
Top kek

>>1924713
they got a royal charter granting exclusive trade in the orient.

The BEIC was a corporation
It was founded as one.
It ran like one.
and it died like one when it finally turned unprofitable and went kaput.

>>1924705
>And racism has nothing to do with capitalism.
Racism is often profitable, and therefore capitalism will endorse it.

>>1924724
>che guevara is racist
>therefore all commies are racist.

>>1924724
>This lazy meme again

It's been stated repeatedly throughout this board that Che Guevara lost his racism as he aged, matured, and traveled the world. By the end he had completely renounced racism of all kinds.

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>>1924722
>Having a few useful idiots stay far away from power does nothing
Better than killing them for having a dissenting opinion desu.
>>1924723
>That the communists adopted this behavior shouldn't come as a surprise considering it's the world they grew up in
>I-it's ok when we do it! We're allowed to rape and torture as long as it's to promote Communism™

>>1924732
same with gandhi.
He believed in the british empire when he started out in south africa, and by the time he came back he had grown largely disillusioned with it.

>>1924723
>Places with a strong democratic tradition use ballots instead of bullets to make their point, but then you have the problem of people electing politicians whom you don't like, like Allende

This. Also Sankara, Lumumba, Spanish Second Republic etc

Fuck even when the barely left wing Syriza was elected the EU said nope

It's doubly funny considering capitalists destroyed feudalism by chopping off nobles' heads.

>>1924714

Because they want everyone to be in a perpetual underclass that can be manipulated and they can use buzzwords to create fake enemies

>>1924724
Retarded image, retarded post, retarded poster. 1/10 kill yourself in front of your family

>>1924733
>better
arguably no.
Commies have the fig leaf that they are trying to make shit better in the long run.
Capitalism doesn't have that.

>>1924733
>>I-it's ok when we do it! We're allowed to rape and torture as long as it's to promote Communism™
>But it's totally ok when it's done to protect the profit margins of the De Beers™ mining company.

>>1924728

No it died after the Sepoy rebellion and the U.K took over all their lands. It's was a de facto nation

>>1924730
>Southern American landowners are racist
>Therefor all Capitalists are racists

>>1924745
No one sees De Beers as any less than inhumane in capitalist countries. That's why they were heavily reprimanded in the later half of the 20th century.

>>1924746
>it was a de facto nation
It was run like a company
It's leaders were businessmen making decisions for profit by fucking over the people that it ruled halfway around the world.

The fact it was in control of a subcontinent doesn't change that.

>>1924740
>Someone has completely shot down my arguments
>I know! I'll just call him retarded. That will show them.

>>1924733
>person tells his compatriots to kill fascist invaders

wow how unique

>>1924747
Are you saying racism wasn't used to justify the slave trade? That it wasn't used to justify colonialism?

>>1924738
>perpetual underclass that can be manipulated
pretty sure capitalists want that more than communists. an underclass won't threaten your wealth, power and property

>>1924755
He got them all riled up to liberate German girls.

>>1924759
>nazis start a total war by mobilizing their state and attacking the SU.
>when the soviets do the same shit in reprisal its official communist policy.

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>>1924757
>It's impossible to be a capitalist and be opposed to the slave trade and colonialism.

>>1924763
but when slavery and colonialism were hot button issues, capitalists were the ones that defended the institutions because they made them money.

>>1924768
>capitalists were the ones that defended the institutions
They were also the ones that opposed them. See John Adams and his son.

>>1924780
and yet the institutions persisted until technological advances finally made it unprofitable
>inb4 the british empire banned slavery
yes, they started indentured labor instead which was cool because people signed a contract and shit.

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>>1924785
>and yet the institutions persisted until technological advances finally made it unprofitable
Until the invention of the cotton gin made it extremely profitable and cotton became the world's largest and most important industry.

>>1924758

That's exactly what communists want. Capitalists don't care if other people make money

>>1924794
and then the rednecks crashed their own economy because they were dumbasses. The cotton gin isn't an american invention, seeing as it has been used in china and india since before the USA existed.

>>1924802
>Capitalists don't care if other people make money

Of course they do, that's the whole basis of capitalist competition. It's anarchic and wasteful

>>1924803
>and then the rednecks crashed their own economy
Dixiecrat landowners were the furthest thing from "Redneck" you can get.

>>1924812

No not at all.

>>1924812
>It's anarchic and wasteful
There's been plenty of economic models that break down the science behind venture capitalism.

>>1924733
I remember that quote from Call of Duty Finest Hour.

>>1924819
>Marxist-Leninists
>Caring about scientific models and not muh feels
See >>1924675

>>1924549
>HEY GUYS, LOOK AT THIS SCREENSHOT OF SOMETHING RECENT AND LET ME FEED YOU SOME REDPILLS
>25 year rule /pol/. You ...
>&HUMANITIES! &HUMANITIES!
oh god this board is becoming a mistake

>>1924750
>heavily reprimanded
Oh wow it is fucking nothing.jpg

>>1924816
So we'll just ignore pollution, planned obsolescence, wars for oil and the fact that first world countries throw away half their food shall we?

>>1924819
>There's been plenty of economic models that break down the science behind venture capitalism.

Such as?

>>1924840

>pollution

Communist countries polluted too. Capitalistic ones are the only places cleaning up the environment

>Planned
I hate this as well. Communist counties were known for producing cheap crap that fell apart quickly though

>>1924840
>oil
Communists fought for resources as well

>Food
How is having too much food a bad thing

>>1924724
fake quote

probably /pol/ shilling as well

>>1924842
Well for starters:
http://www.investopedia.com/university/economics/economics3.asp

>>1924852
not him, but
>Capitalistic ones are the only places cleaning up the environment
Yeah but that's due to government spending and research, not to mention regulations which force companies to seek cleaner means of generating their product.
>Communist counties were known for producing cheap crap that fell apart quickly though
Yeah but before they were communist they were all subsistence farming peasants. And even today when they are far more "capitalistic" they're still known for cheap crap that falls apart.
>Communists fought for resources as well
yup, but never on the scale that Capitalist ones did
>How is having too much food a bad thing
I think he's making the point of how wasteful we are with it.

>>1924886

Right something that hasn't happened in any communist or post communist country

Corruption stemming from communism and state run companies

WW2 and it's aftermath was pretty huge

What does that have to do with anything with the thread or capitalism or communism

>>1924050
I wonder

Do most commies on 4chan support Marxism in shitty parts of the world, more so than nice western parts?
Nobody wants or needs a fucking worker's revolution in Canada, and are y'all aware of this and want such a revolution in places like central America and southeast Asia?

>>1925075

No they want it here because they think they'll get welfare without working

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>>1925043
>Right something that hasn't happened in any communist or post communist country
Even the ones which adopted a form of Capitalism.
>Corruption stemming from communism and state run companies
And now everything is owned by mob bosses in the wake of mass privatization.
>WW2 and it's aftermath was pretty huge
started by right-wing fascism, whose label of "socialist" was pure propaganda after the night of Long Knives.
>What does that have to do with anything with the thread or capitalism or communism
that food is an example of how capitalism inefficiently allocates resources just to maintain a price mechanism. And the most delicious irony is that most capitalist societies have their agricultural industries heavily subsidized to prevent the price of crops from falling below the point of profitability and driving most of them into bankruptcy.

>wrong photo

>>1925106

Fascism is left wing

The farmers using modified seeds are able to get more yields out of there crop so they bring in more money

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>>1925121
>started by right-wing fascism, whose label of "socialist" was pure propaganda after the night of Long Knives.
this

>>1925075
I support world revolution.
>wants or needs a fucking worker's revolution in Canada
The natives might. The Communist Party of Canada might. Your average worker whose livelihood is being ruined by global capitalism (neoliberalism) might. Revolutions seem impossible until they've happened.

>>1925089
Landlords and other profiteers are the ones who don't work.

>>1925123
>Fascism is left wing
Said no fascist, ever, whose whole selling point was opposition to left-wing bolshevism

>>1924852
>Communist countries polluted too. Capitalistic ones are the only places cleaning up the environment
Cuba is the most sustainable country in the world, despite being a small isolated island

http://www.pri.org/stories/2016-03-15/us-has-lot-learn-cuba-about-sustainable-agriculture

>I hate this as well. Communist counties were known for producing cheap crap that fell apart quickly though
The cycle of consumerism is endemic to capitalism. Production for profit rather than use. Telling us to buy shit we don't need and wasting resources on advertising

>Communists fought for resources as well
Naturally. Resources determine everything. However, under communism, resources are put to use for the people rather than private corporations like Halliburton

>How is having too much food a bad thing
It's not, but we have millions of people starving across the world, while some nations have 35% obesity. Something is deeply wrong there.

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>>1925123
>Fascism is left wing
Let me guess, for you right-wing = no regulations and small guv while left-wing = regulations and big guv

>>1925131

They to take care of their properties and they have to make money to invest/buy property
>>1925148

>pri
Really unbiased there

>>1925144
>>1925162
Keep believing that it isn't authoritarian left

>>1924386
>not an argument,
Yes it is an argument moron, it's not our responsibility to save the fuck ups of the world from themselves, and fuck you for acting as if we should be obligated to join you in your pointless crusade to save whores from themselves.

>>1924293
>Not really. In a capitalistic system you always have the chance to improve your lot in life.
Literally wrong. Social mobility has been close to zero for decades now

>>1925404

Yeah life is good and people are content

>>1925123
Fascism is authoritarian right, lad. Communism is authoritarian left.

Fascism appeals to the "natural" state of things, the strong dominating the weak and such, those are the marks of a right-wing ideology. In opposition, communism sees the "natural order" as unfair, and seeks to change that, for better and for worst.

>>1925439

I'm sorry I know that in Europe they try to seperate themselves from Hitler but he was a National Socialist

>>1925456
If you believe the NSP was still socialist by the time it took power, then you might as well take North Korean's claim of being a "Democratic Republic" at face value, lad.

Both have a name that appeal to their base population, and might have founding tenets based around that appealing ideology, but in practice, they are all but what they claim to be.

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>>1924803
>The cotton gin isn't an american invention, seeing as it has been used in china and india since before the USA existed.

The MECHANICAL cotton gin that allowed ginning cotton on an industrial scale was an American invention. Don't pretend that pic related is an equivalent device. Nobody thinks that Eli Whitney invented ginning cotton, he's just credited with inventing a non-Medieval tier method that allowed production to keep up with the demand of the Industrial revolution.

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>>1924713
>>1924695
>>1924683
>>1924746
holy shit

>>1923825
>and so on
All you're missing is the sniff. Otherwise, spot on.

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>>1924033
Another thing Zizek said is how only by crushing something in reality (in this case, the revolution) you are able to keep the dream alive. It's why we like Rosa and not Stalin.

>>1926763
My gott, thank you.

>>1923808
>>1923808
Here in brazil they exist because the government takes one day of wages of EVERYONE every march and literally hands to unions, wether you agree or not, wether you are part of one or not.

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>>1923808
>Why are labour union in third world shitholes more radical than labour unions in advanced capitalist countries?

According to orthodox (((marxist))) thought living standards for the proletariat would actually worsen in advanced capitalist countries as more and more workers would join the ranks of people who survive selling their labour. (((Marx))) was wrong what a surprise!!

>>1926900
>>>/pol/

>>1924733
Literaly nothing wrong with that quote

>>1926900
Living conditions only rose because it became cheaper to use third worlders for factory labor

>>1926900
>his grandparents practiced Judaism so his ideas were invalid

>>1925368
>Really unbiased there
>implying subsidized farming isn't fucking up the aquifers.

>>1927899
That's pretty much it in a nutshell, yeah.

>>1924522

>Native American Genocide: 95 000 000
>African Slave Trade: 150 000 000

Every time.

>>1927995
If y'all can claim every natural death in a Soviet prison we can claim every dead slave

>>1924694
This should also include the U.S. burning crops and killing livestock during the Depression to keep the price system functioning.

>>1924374
>le anti-Leninism isn't real meme

>>1924481
>le commie joo conspirasee

>>1924561
Try telling that to a worker in fucking shit conditions in Cambodia or India.

>>1923808

Capitalism is shit and COMMIES ARE BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so no rights.

>>1924619
Oh yeah sure Stalin and Mao personally oversaw the shooting of 100 billion trillion people and absolutely none of it had to do with war or natural disasters...

>>1924622
Literally the same thing happens with right-wing dictatorships and neoliberal policies that excuse mass misery because muh free market.

>>1924675
>Mises
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>>1924744
>capitalists don't try to claim that all of the shit that happens under capitalism is for "the greater good"

>>1924852
Capitalism produces cheap shit as well. It does so en masse with the goal of increasing sales.

>>1925089
nice meme

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>>1924517
werent they blamed to be behind both "capitalism", represented by the US and beeing behind "communism"

Even though i do remember that they were blamed by the nazis to plot the "destruction" of all "races"