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Dying on the battlefield is the only honourable way to die.
why has this been ignored by philosophers?
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>dying
>honorable
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>>1921354
Because we went through two world wars. Romantic militarism only works when people are ignorant of war.
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>>1921354
Honour is an opium to keep little goi quit.
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Because nationalism is gay. It's impossible for everybody to be equal when nations will always bully others and there will always be cuckolds and war.
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what an honorable mix of my own shit and another man's blood
i have an honorable nervous breakdown on the brink of death crying out to my mother and to god for his forgiveness
i honorably call myself a weak failure and a coward for not being able to put myself in the line of fire
but not before honorably sitting around on my ass for weeks on end making gay jokes with my soon-to-be-dead buddies
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>>1921371
I don't think this has to do with romantic militarism, I'm thinking about this from an Evolian perspective whereby action is the way to transcend meaninglessness, and military action is the highest form of action.
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>>1921354
if you want the feeling of being an honourable knight and not have to put up with the smell of shit, blood and piss then just play dark souls or something
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>>1921354
>Being tricked into being used as cannon fodder
>Fighting for the obscure interest of a most times more obscure group of people
>honourable
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>>1921354
Because philosophers aren't known for being dumb?
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>>1921388
if you die on the battlefield you are doing something that's fundamentally the point of human existence, fighting for your people
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>>1921395
>Evolian perspective
Which is essentially neo-Romanticism.
>military action is the highest form of action
How? Again, that's basically romantic militarism. It falls apart when people actually experience/witness warfare and suddenly realize
>oh SHIT war is actually hell, whooduf thunk?
The ones who glorify war are the ones most far removed from it. Mostly politicians who are trying to get poor young men to go die for them for economic interests.
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>>1921354
>2016
>people still feel bounded to a piece of ground
ISHYGDDT
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>>1921407
the cause or purpose of the war is almost irrelevant as long as you are fighting for your volk in some way (which essentially all wars are).
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>>1921354
Thank you, Lieutenant Worf.
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>>1921354
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSPj_G2yVz4
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>>1921425
It's very complicated and I'm not sure I fully understand it, but I believe Evola thinks that millitary action is the highest form of action because it's combining a nietzschean will to power with a physical and strategic act, and as such it turns into an almost mythic form of action.
and Evola fought in WWI and became paralyzed following a bombing raid in WWII, so he knew exactly how ugly war is.
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>>1921424
my people should do the fighting for themselves
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>>1921354
>Laughingpoliticalelite.jpg
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>>1921457
to do what?
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>>1921457
>oh shit, someone is calling me out on me believing retarded romantic propaganda
>better call them a meaningless slur to discredit their arguments
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>>1921354
Because there has almost always been a wide separation between the philosophical class and the warrior class.
Neither cares for the virtues of the other.
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>>1921354
>why has this been ignored by philosophers?
Because it's stupid as fuck. Read something like With the Old Breed or Storm of Steel, shit will (hopefully) teach you that war is hell.
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>>1921354
>honourable
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>>1921475
>and became paralyzed following a bombing raid in WWII
It only happened because he was an edgelord
>It was Evola's custom to walk around the city during bombing raids in order to better 'ponder his destiny'. During one such raid, in March or April 1945, a shell fragment damaged his spinal cord and he became paralyzed from the waist down, remaining so for the remainder of his life.
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SPOOK
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>>1921457
There is no honor in death
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>>1921425
>The ones who glorify war are the ones most far removed from it.
What about Ernst Junger?
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>>1921457
>Compulsory Conscription happens.
>Muh manliness
>Muh virtues
>???
>Just a bunch of teen jerkoffs doing shit in the woods.
t. Finlan.
It's basically high school but with guns.
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>>1922576
>work in the army to avoid conscription
>lose all hope in human race after meeting some of the most corrupt individuals ever
>laugh as I draft Chads from university
>make some actual friends
>acquire some useful connections, get a government job later
t. Russian
All in all, it was okay
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>>1921354
Ask someone who has died on the battlefield?
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>>1922594
Isn't the Russian military really fucked up and dangerous? Like hazing that includes rape and being beaten to near-death?
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>>1921354
>Honourable
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>>1922634
I was working in a conscription centre and went home every evening, its not like I've been to actual barracks. But that shit really only happens in border fringe camps, the spoopiness of russian army is overrated, but again, it is really, really corrupt.
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>>1921457
Americans can afford to be warmongering idiots because they don't what a war is, a war isn't sitting comfortably in your own home thousands of kilometers from a battlefield you entered when you were sure of your own superiority. A war is not soldiers dying. A war means your house, your neighbourhood, your city gets obliterated, half your family dies the other half gets raped, an entire country in ruins with deads everywhere, with no one to care for others, with difficulty to find food, with cold, with despair.
Wars are horrible, only a fucking american autist couldn't understand how horrible it is and laugh heartily when you're talking of civilians deaths.One day maybe america will get invaded, your childrens slaughtered, raped, your houses, buildings and cities destroyed, we'll see then if y'all are atill warmongering idiots.
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>dying for King Chad is "honorable"
oh dear
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>>1922660
>>1922693
>>1922638
Honour is what saved western civilization during Thermopylae
Honour is what saved western civilization during Second Punic War
Honour is what saved western civilization during the crusades
Honour is what saved western civilization during World Wars
You sit here and enjoy your first world comfiness because better men had actuals morals
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>>1922715
>Western Civilization was saved twice before it existed, once when it was still a bunch of peasants worshiping a sky fairy, and those two times when western civilization fought against western civilization and after loosing their architecture, population, colonies, prestige, world philosophy, aristocratic class, and moral mandate to rule the world managed to save western civilization... from itself
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>>1922715
>Honour is what saved western civilization during World Wars
What ? Was germany not a western country ? Uh you're probably american and think your country is the embodiment of western civilization even if you're a country that went from barbaric to decadent without never attaining civilization.
Morals are a spook and so is western civilization, the deaths and suffering of your close ones, the destruction of everything you hold dear, your own death and suffering is far more important than any of these things.
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>>1921457
t. pampered high class american
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>>1922715
>civilisation
>saved
>honor
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>>1922715
>Honour is what saved western civilization during the crusades
Yeah, those heroic crusaders sure saved the Roman empire.
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>>1921354
well, we're no longer a androcentric society like we were back in the past. We no longer see the soldier as the defender of the homeland but instead the goon of corporations.
I think the trauma of both world wars combined with the shift in our society to Gynocentrism caused us to become "peace loving" "cowards"
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>dying
>honourable
Imagine you're part of an army and your army utterly crushes the opposing army, but you die. You're the only casualty. You won't be remember as being honourable, just a stupid faggot who ruined their army's k/d.
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>>1922779
>le spooked maymay XDDDD
Yes, material wealth is the only thing that matters. Which is why people working in finance have such low depression rates.
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>>1922715
>Honour is what saved western civilization during Thermopylae
Stopped reading here, if Persia won, they would have just made Greece a satrap and moved on, its culture would have remained largely intact until whatever eventually came along to make the empire collapse.
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>>1921514
t. nu male
>>1921520
lies
>>1921354
>why has this been ignored by philosophers?
it hasn't been, Plato and Socrates both fought against the Persians and their Republic glorifies warriors.
>>1923013
The West would not have learned the price of independence nor its significance.
>>1922815
>implying
They did you dingaling, it was only when the merchants got involved did things go south, also if it wasn't for the Turks it wouldn't have mattered.
>>1922779
Stirner would have supported the crusades if you asked him.
>>1922744
>local disputes equate to an existential threat
>pic related
Absolutely Euphoric, now please go back to mlp, you Plebbit tier mong.
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>>1923013
Oh wait... Didn't the Persian King want to wipe Athens off the map for being fuckups?
guess you're wrong there too...
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Who gives a shit how you die you won't exist to hear what people say of it
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>>1922830
wealth is also a spook
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My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.
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>>1921354
fuck honor, glory is way better and you can die earning it without being on the battlefield
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>>1923054
>Ancient Greece
>the West
Also, that's why Greece would be dominated by foreign powers for 1000 of the next 2000 years.
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>>1923054
Also
t. Anon who is neither currently serving in the Armes forces or joined the Peshmerga and all eight of his chins quiver as he rages against the evil nu-males
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>>1923091
>8 chins
>8
hmmmm, got me thinking
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>>1922660
Learn English, you hysterical imbecile.
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>>1922715
Oh fuck off with your Thermopylae bullshit.
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>>1923091
> Everyone who has seen combat becomes a quivering-blubbering pacifistic blob
>"The ground is dirtyyyy!"
>"You could get huuuuurt...;_;"
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Boy, I sure would love to die in some shitty proxy war in the middle east to line the pockets of the elite with oil money.
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>>1923056
The world would have been better off if Athens was wiped off the map tbph
Athens =/= Greece
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>>1923054
>Stirner would have supported the crusades if you asked him.
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Yeah, go die in battle. I'll stay back, pork the women, and hang out at the pub.
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>>1923131
He isn't wrong,you know.
The fact that he might not speak or type English correctly does not refute his point.
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>>1922660
How many Americans do you even know?
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Awfully fuckin spooky in here.
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>>1923394
His "point" does not address the OP, it only serves to show what a good boy he is, being so full of empathy and compassion. If you're going to hyperventilate, might as well use proper grammar.
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>>1921354
Spooky stuff my friend. Feel free to volunteer and die.
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>>1922715
>thermopylae
yeah.
Thank goodness Athens was saved from being destroyed by the dreadful and evil persians.
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>>1921587
kek, this is Christopher McCandless tier retardation
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>>1921587
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>>1921457
>implying /pol/ doesn't make edgy comments on fighting to the death
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>>1921587
Evola? More like Ebola
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>>1921354
There's nothing honorable about dying in war. Just read some of the accounts of people who actually fought. The whole 'battle is honorable' bullshit was made up by generals and other military leaders to give their troops some motivation.
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>>1921354
>why has this been ignored by philosophers?
Philosophers were nerds who couldn't fight, so naturally they never argued that fighting was necessary for goodness.
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Ugh, honor? Glory? Motherland? Such old-fashioned concepts were invented by corrupt state rulers to maintain an army for their selfish needs, it's about as ridiculous as religion. I identify as socialist and pacifist, perhaps you should educate yourself before throwing your life away for spooks
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>>1922715
>Honour is what saved western civilization during Thermopylae
Heh, so western civilization mean that all mans are faggots?
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>>1924691
> Motherland? Such old-fashioned concepts were invented by corrupt state rulers to maintain an army for their selfish needs
Lol, fight for your Motherland, your home and family most important in life of any man
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>>1924734
it was satire, einstein
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are you saying that every other way to die is honourless ?
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>>1924788
what other way can you die with honour?
the only other I can think of is dying as a POW, but that's basically the same thing
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>>1924811
protecting someone or something, accomplishing something in your life and dying with the feeling of having made a difference, etc. being a person and managing to make something of it makes any death honorable; not because of the particulars of the death but for how the life was lived.
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>>1924811
So a firefighter who dies saving people isn't honorable?
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>>1922715
>Honour is what saved western civilization during the crusades
lmao
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>>1921354
Honour is a meaningless meme that many men use to affirm what they perceive to be their precious masculinity and self-worth. There is nothing worthwhile in honour for its own sake; it should be pursued instead as a standard of conduct that promotes a harmonious society.
You died in a battle that was fought to advance the ambitions of greedy men? Well done; you are truly honourable.
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This is a cringe thread, right?
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>>1921587
Ironyyyyyyyyy
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>>1923054
>Striner supporting dying for a spook
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>>1924925
Man, you're really fucking spooked. You then try to called others spooked when they call you out on your irrational thinking.
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>>1923427
Edgy
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>>1924925
I wasn't even trying to reference Stirner, I'm just calling you a retard that thinks his arbitrary notion of honour and manliness has any real universal grounding or worth. Go ahead and die in battle for a cause spurred on by other people being greedy retards or seeking "honour"
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>>1924691
ha
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>>1924691
This post may be an attempted satire but it's 100% right.
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>Strenght is molar glory
What was that even supposed to mean?
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>>1921354
>Dying on the battlefield is the only honourable way to die.
Do you have some kind of rationale behind this or are you just spewing nonsense? Obviously not all wars are just and good, dying in the Middle East as an American soldier is anything but honourable, you gave your life for an oil supply so your buddies back home can drive a car for cheaper than the rest of the world.
I fail to see how succumbing to burns after running into a flaming building in order to save a person is less honourable than getting shot for some nebulous cause.
Obviously some wars are more just than others, and certainly dying on the battlefield can be honourable, but definitely not in all cases.
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>>1924691
The only things even remotely debate-worthy in that post are the "socialist and pacifist" parts. Honour, glory, motherland *were* invented as a ways of consolidating people under a state's control. Armies should be defensive in nature and shouldn't be glorified, nor would they be particularly necessary in the first place were it not for the existence of aggressors and warmongers that seek to further their ambitions and prestige. A spook that exists only to make you feel better about yourself and your masculinity isn't worth throwing your life away for.
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>>1921354
>why has this been ignored by philosophers?
Who says it has? I think most people would agree that a romantic or ideal death is the best death, but most people have a temperament colored with an aversion to death in the first place.
That said, philosophers by and large buy the utilitarianism meme, so an ideal death is a death with the least amount of suffering / most comfort possible. Romanticism, perfectionism, idealism, virtue, etc etc are not prevailing notions because of academic autism. You can't systematize such things so easily, so they seem to have less explanatory power
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Yes, yes. Thank you for dying to protect my property and wealth. Of course I'm too wealthy and important to fight myself, but remember dying for my property, I mean your country is honourable *sniggers under breath*!
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>>1922715
This post is why 4chan should have an iq test
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>>1921354
>ignored by philosophers
not Evola, the most "right-wing" philosopher of the 20th century
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>>1925319
Why though? These fools provide quite an entertainment, assuming you know how to troll them properly.
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>>1924691
>Leftist acquaintance at uni shits on me for being a christian one day when we are drinking
>Tells me "I have been brainwashed" growing up through parental influence
>This is coming from a guy with hippy boomer parents that raised him a socialist
>Ditto they all share dumb globalist shit on social media
>Yet "I am the brainwashed one" despite noone but my grandparents being remotely religious (they were all protestants from derry way back)
really makes you think
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>>1921424
>if you die on the battlefield you are doing something that's fundamentally the point of human existence, fighting for your people
That's not the point of human existence.
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>>1925357
I think it's safe to say you're both brainwashed retards.
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>>1921468
this
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>>1925343
>mfw I was there for that thread
Still can't believe a french son of a diplomat actually doxxed himself because an anon told him to.
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>>1925397
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>>1925311
you realize that until the 20th century it was the elites who were the leaders of the military and often died in combat?
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>>1921354
muh honor
Perhaps medieval wars when war were limited to a battlefield, but modern inhuman total wars are shit.
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well the entirety of the norse odinist faith already has that covered, i figure philosophers don't need to expand on it
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>>1921354
Ancient Greek philosophers talked about it all the time.
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It doesn't matter.
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>>1921387
Hello cuck
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>>1925287
>"Honour, glory, motherland *were* invented"
[citation needed]
These concepts developed far before there were states, they developed because humans instinctively see value in strength and bravery. They still do, even now, which is why a war hero will always be considered more than you. You can convince yourself that "they're j-just spooks, everyone who disagrees is /pol/" if it gives you some momentary relief but that will always be a lie and will do nothing to fix what's wrong with you.
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>>1921354
>One has renounced the great life when one renounces war.
t. Nietzsche, who wanted to be a soldier before a philosopher.
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>>1921354
Death is death.
It's not beautiful, it just... is.
It's natural.
I'll die, you'll die, and someday nobody will remember us.
Earth to earth, ashes to ashes, dust to dust.
The secret is: try to LIVE a decent life, instead of thinking about dying.
I knew this sad man; he could have anything I ever wanted (a beautiful wife and daughter, a very nice house, etc), and yet he fucked up his life, became an alcoholic. His wife hates him and his daughter despises him.
And yet he always says: "I'd DIE for my family!" I think his daughter said to me: "He should LIVE for us."
Dying in battle is easy.
Living a decent life is insanely difficut - but that's something, you know.
That's an achievement.
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>>1926649
>justgirlythings
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>>1921354
Dying on the battlefield is only honorable if you're doing it for the right cause (protecting yourself and those you love). Doing it for increasingly abstract concepts like for a country or even worse, being motivated by 'pride' is pretty silly though. It is purely a way to engage your emotions into fighting. If there is already a good enough precedent to fight then you don't need to delude yourself with honour and bravery, you just do what you must do to maintain because failure would be unbearable.
If fighting was necessary to protect my way of life then I'd do it but pretty much all modern wars are guaranteed to be orchestrated by financial interests and I'm completely safe where I live anyways so it doesn't really matter
Having a mandatory draft is pretty cool except it forces people into learning stuff that's not exceptionally useful like obscure military procedures and silly rituals. A draft where you're instilled with order and discipline but where you learn actual transferable life skills would be much better.
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>>1926653
I'm not a nu-male, by the way.
I'm not afraid of war - in fact, I always think like a soldier.
It gives me focus and gets shit done.
But you have to understand one thing about war: it's always FOR something.
You don't just fight for fight's sake.
So dying in battle is always a last resort.
It shouldn't be the goal - do you understand?
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>>1924954
it's a philosophy thread, which is pretty much the same thing
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>>1926658
Is this satire?
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>>1922755
>projecting
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>>1926680
I'm sorry that we can't have a decent conversation, you and me.
Whatever.
I already said what I wanted to say.
Good-bye!
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>>1921354
>why has this been ignored by philosophers?
Most likely because honour is a spook.
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>>1926658
I was >>1926653, couldn't resist.
War is for something, I agree, though an individual soldier's death is for him alone to define. You could be fighting for the slimiest oligarch in the most unjust war imaginable yet the act of your own dying can be separate from that. And plenty of people fight for sake of fighting, it's kind of odd to see people deny that.
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>>1926657
Who are you to define for others what is a "right cause" for them? To denigrate their pride as "silly"? Not everyone thinks like you, people value different things.
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>>1921354
"Honour" implies some higher moral standard or practice, and yet plenty of wars have been won and lost over decidedly dishonourable means. In order for your death in war to be honourable, you'd need to be killed by an enemy who was willing to bet their life that you, someone they had never seen before, never met, and only considered to be a threat to them, would also act honourably. Nobody would ever take that bet.
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>>1926784
He's not incorrect though. The more people choose to fight over ideology or worse, pride, the more pointless wars there will be. Only acceptable reason to fight is defense.
>To denigrate their pride as "silly"?
When was pride not silly?
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>>1927068
"When was pride not silly"
Spoken like someone who has none. You can pretend all you want, but pride will always be a signifier of desirability and respect.
And whether a conflict is pointless or not is for the participants to decide, 2advanced4u milquetoast e-grazers will not be asked.
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> I killed 500 nazis and died old, but it was that one faggot who was one shotted first in the war, who was really honorable! :(
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>>1922576
> It's basically high school but with guns.
So just like normal american school?
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>>1927251
You didn't answer the question.
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>>1922715
> saved
> western civilization
> during World Wars
More like ruined everything, all modern problems from islamism to feminism rooted in World War I and could been prevented if retards tried rational, diplomatical solutions, instead of autistic honour.
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>>1924691
> Glory?
Yeah... Remember all that *glory* of Italians, who fought in two world wars? Was truly eally worth it to die in thousands, to be remembered as a joke.
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>>1927251
>And whether a conflict is pointless or not is for the participants to decide, 2advanced4u milquetoast e-grazers will not be asked.
So you naturally exclude yourself?
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>>1925887
> until the 20th century it was the elites
Until 20th century it was honorable to essentially
defend your castles or whatever. Now you just die for Rothschild billions so there is no honor in that.
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>>1921354
Op provide proof you've served honorably and seen combat, otherwise you're just an alt-shitter with no grasp of the reality of war.
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>>1927352
There have been countless threads like this already, people who have served have posted timestamped uniforms. Oddly enough, no response.
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>>1927393
>You don't answer rhetorical questions
It was not rhetorical question. But to be more clear:
When did pride justified a war?
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>Honor
Well, that's some spooky shit.
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>>1927403
Other threads=/= this thread. This OP is a cocksuck until proved otherwise
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>>1927393
>Poor reading comprehension.
Then please point out where I misinterpreted you.
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>>1927405
Doesn't have to, the thread is about individual experiences.
>>1927421
I explained that in the sentence following "Poor reading comprehension", your poor reading comprehension must have made you miss that. I didn't make objective value judgements on the intimate personal experiences of other people, the twat I was responding to did.
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>>1927415
Most OPs are cocksucks, dearest namefag, but even hypocrites can have a point.
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>>1921354
It really depends of the war
Dying to defend your country in Napoleon's or Hitler's army isn't the same as dying as aggressor far from home in Wellington or Patton's army
And don't get me started on shit like colonial wars, Iraq and Vietnam
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>die in artillery barrage
>somehow honorable
>die from fire from a machinegun you can't even see
>somehow honorable
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>>1926657
>Doing it for increasingly abstract concepts like for a country or even worse, being motivated by 'pride' is pretty silly though.
That is highly patronizing and contradictory to what you just said in the sentence before this one. If one regards one's country as the home of those that they love, the shield that they survive under, and they love one's country like their home, and feel that one's country is the home of the culture and history they enjoy and possess themselves, there is nothing silly about wanting to die for that.
Your line of thinking shows how little you actually think about things. If you were a part of a tribe of about 100 people some tens of thousands of years ago, would you feel the same way about this "abstract" tribe being worthless to go to war and die for? Probably not, otherwise you'd be a fucking leech that had to be extracted from the tribe for being so useless. But the same thing is happening here with "country", despite that a country is much bigger and contains more people that you may dislike. The country is still a tribe, it still is your home and is the seat of the culture and life that you and your family enjoy. If you don't enjoy the very air of your own country, you are a retard for still being in it and should get the fuck out of it.
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>>1926649
Faggot
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>>1921457
Fucking retarded.
This is the America that lets Goodwill workers serve slop to recruits. This is the America that will give soldiers food "Not fit for XX state penal system". This is the America that values virtue-signalling over actually doing something.
You're a fucking idiot if you don't the modern military is maximum poz.
"We need women in the military" so that the E-6s and above have some fresh pussy at work.
Fuck these incompetents. Fuck your stupid moralism without checking out facts on the ground, you stupid motherfuckers.
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The point of war is to make the other bastard die for his country, not you.
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>>1927562
Nah I make it a rule not to fuck with people who clearly have no idea what they're talking about
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>defending your country
>from someone else's country
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modern battlefields are proxy wars, and they wont even hire your loser ass to die on the battlefield.
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