Does this faggot have even a solid understanding of history and

>>1920334
fuck off /pol/

I cannot take seriously anyone whose main mode of argumentation is
>UH-UH THIS IS X FALLACY
Fucking millennials learned their latin meme expressions

>>1920334
not an argument

>>1920343
Not an argument

>>1920334
>well spoken pseudo intelleuct who gets view cause "muh evil sjws"
You answered your own question

>>1920334

He's of above average intelligence but he's not really "smart"or even well educated. He seems well spoken because he's British, but he doesn't have a "good" British accent, he has a lower middle class one.

>>1920334
The latter, the alt-right & /pol/tards eat that kind of shit up, and they have been multiplying fast as fuck in recent years.
It's not really like any of his videos have anything to do with philosophy or history, which is probably just your excuse to start this thread on this board.

>>1920334
A pleb who understands nothing about art and critique 2bh.

He's just an average bloke talking about shit he likes.

>>1920346
>>1920350
not an argument

>>1920343
How is pointing out that an argument is a fallacy not a sound point?

>>1920378
nice hoc-est-non-argumentum fallacy

>>1920343
I cannot take seriously anyone whose main mode of argumentation is the use of fallacies. FUCKING MILLENIALS!!!!!!!!

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>This thread

>>1920381
Because that is in and of itself a fallacy. And generally makes one look like a smug, pseudo-intellectual cunt

>>1920334
The latter.

>>1920386
Nice addition of the demonstrative m8

>>1920391
!argument

>>1920392
Its only a fallacy when youre asserting the conclusion of the argument is false just because the argument is a fallacy. Its not a fallacy simply to point out that an argument is a fallacy and thus an invalid argument you fucking retard

>>1920409
>asserting the conclusion of the argument is false just because the argument is a fallacy
This is literally what he does

>Its not a fallacy simply to point out that an argument is a fallacy and thus an invalid argument
It isn't a fallacy, but it is stupid and worthless. Explain why something is wrong, don't just namedrop some latin shit to look smart.

>>1920439
Ive watched every single one of his videos for the last 2 years and never once heard him name drop a fallacy or use latin terms ever. Please provide just a single instance of him doing this

Maybe if his videos were 4 times shorter he would at least be somewhat watchable. As it stands, he talks too much for someone with virtually zero academic historical and political science knowledge.

>>1920443
I was arguing in general, I couldn't care less about this literally who

>>1920471
>I was arguing in general
then why did you say
>This is literally what HE does

>>1920471
no, you were being specific.

>>1920475
Because it's true? That really isn't the important part anon

>>1920443
>Ive watched every single one of his videos for the last 2 years
thats pretty pathetic desu

>>1920491
then provide an example like he asked.

>>1920508
No thanks, I've got better things to do with my life

>>1920516
LOLLOLOLOLOLOL have fun arguing on 4chan and complaining about millennials.

>>1920392
>And generally makes one look like a smug, pseudo-intellectual cunt

Style over substance phallacy. Just you don't like seomebody's tone it doesn't invalidate his arguements.

>>1920522
Kek

>>1920334
He's a youtube personality, thus he's an insufferable prick and nothing more whatsoever.

>>1920543
The Internet was a mistake desu

>>1920334
His history channel, Ancient Recitations is much better than his main one.
Anyway he's snuggled into his muh anti sjw routine thanks to patreon.
He has the incentive to make those easy, low hanging fruit repetitive videos, because he gets 1,6k per video from patreon.

>well spoken

is this bait?

>>1920554
Let me be the first hypocrite to agree.

It should never have been made public.

>>1920343
Fallacy fallacy detected.

>>1920342
xd

>>1920343
Fallacy fallacy

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>>1920334
>Expecting any understanding of philosophy from a guy who reacts to the tabloids for a living.

>>1920627
>>1920554
give me a break...

>>1920334
Marx debunked sargon years ago.

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He likes Lindybeige so that's enough for a reason to not watch his videos

>>1920859
>irrelevant tumblr feminist
biggest meme ever. I especially like the word "moderate" used mockingly, when the maker of that ms paint picture is obviously a typical "well they're just a minority, everyone is just as right" types.

His channel where he reads ancient texts is quite good.

Shame he earns his keep bashing retards and muslims.

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>>1920439
>It isn't a fallacy, but it is stupid and worthless. Explain why something is wrong, don't just namedrop some latin shit to look smart.
I don't have a pained enough expression for this

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD rethink your life

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>>1920439
> Explain why something is wrong
> Without reference to actual laws of logic! XD

>>1920919
>laws of logic
Lol

>>1920878
>the maker of that ms paint picture is obviously a typical "well they're just a minority, everyone is just as right" types

The maker of that image is a fascist/alt-right, actually. It comes from Counter-Signal Memes for Fashy Goys.

>>1920919
You can only prove an argument wrong though, not the assertion itself.

>>1920966
>You can only prove an argument wrong though
You can't even necessarily do that. An argument is only necessarily wrong if it is a formal fallacy. But most of the famous ones everyone knows (strawman, ad hom, appeal to authority, etc.) are actually informal fallacies, which require further consideration of the actual argument, beyond just pointing out the fallacy, to prove them wrong. For instance, just saying something is a strawman is not an argument: you actually have to prove that the person is misrepresenting your position, rather than just, say, articulating its logical consequence.

>>1920919
Pointing out the fallacy and proudly smeling your own farts doesn't actually improve your argument, if you didn't even present one. Aristotle himself considered pathos to be vital in political discourse, and assumed that sophism in inevitable in any sort of debate.
But it's not a debate if all you do is point out the flaws in your opponents rhetotic like all these autistic youtubebabbys

>>1920343
>>1920346
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>>1920391

Nice fallacy-falacy argumente retards.

>>1920334
>pseudo intelleuct who gets view cause "muh evil sjws"?
this

>>1921228
Nice Ad Pointum At Falatium Postium fallacy, faggot

To be a pseudo intellectual you must do your leg work, I think Sargon is an intelligent man but he also loves money and all those gamer gaters love to hear SJW are dumb 24/7 all year.

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he's a bigot. I don't know why Youtube keeps his channel open, they must be complicit in this oppression. His videos suck because he only uses bigoted and incorrect arguments in them

>>1920334
He seems to be fairly knowledgeable about history for someone without a formal education in it, but he keeps making low-effort anti-SJW videos because it's what his subscribers want to see.

>>1921280
>"let's ban people because I disagree with their opinions"
no

>>1920709
No

>>1920905
>"ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!"

>>1920919
>laws of logic
>"my opinion is objective and correct"
>>>>/v/

>>1921289
He was being facetious

he only appears smart because of the british accent.

>>1921362
Why/when did British accent = intelligence become a thing?

>>1921379
Americans have a deep-seated inferiority complex when it comes to the Brits, for some reason. Maybe they're still not sure if rebelling was the right choice in the end

>decide to check his patreon
>he gets $1602 per video
>check his channel for how many videos
>after the one listed 4 weeks there was 15 more videos (so this doesn't even include the '1 month ago' videos
>that means he made $25'920 this month
am I reading this right?
do I just not know how patreon works, or is this guy making really good money for doing fuck all?

>>1921452
patreon users can choose how many videos they'll pay each month, so he might not be getting all that. Also he has a family to support.

>>1921472
>daddy, what is your job?
>oh, hon, I call out 19 year old college campus feminists on their logical fallacies on youtube. You won't believe how many retards readily pay for that

>>1921498
he could probably get a job at infowars once the money dries up lmao

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>>1921697
SCUM
I SEE YOU
LITTLE
RAT
ARRRRRRRRRRRGH

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NOT AN ARGUMENT!

>>1920334
Fuck off Kristi Winters

Quality thread, guys.

>>1922007
Whats funny is that as crazy and dumb kristi winters is, she still smashed him in a debate. In fact, he gets crushed in every debate hes had

>>1922019
Even though he's good at pointing out SJW stupidity, yes, he's bad at debate

>>1922019
What are you talking about? In the Brexit debate he BTFO thunderf00t.

>>1921774
xd got eeeemmmm

>>1922047
pfffffft no fucking way and tunderfoot sucks at debates, like thunderfoot gets BTFO by fundamentalist and still he spanked Sargon's ass so much it made the world cringe.

>>1922054
>he spanked Sargon's ass so much it made the world cringe.
thundercuck pls

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hey dumbass your over simplifying most of his arguments, and simplifying a argument is not a argument. so basically, you're a dumbass

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>>1922112
!argument

>>1922019
>>1922047
I'm a fan of Sargon, but holy fuck the man would lose a debate to a fucking anarcho-communist-monarchist-feminist

The quality of his takedowns has gone down really bad recently. It's like he thinks just sneering, laughing, and calling someone stupid actually constitutes a valid response to an argument, and everyone is supposed to agree with him because by this point he's used to having a worship-following.

Vernaculis is a better watch now.

>>1922137
Drrandomercam is better than both (though he gets obnoxious with his "men are so oppressed" nonsense)

while he is right on some issues involving SJWs(though anyone with half a brain can make the arguements he's making), he makes the same video over and over and over again with the same exact points, but the scenario slight changes(in one video, its a feminist whining at Harvard, in another, a feminist whining at Oxford)

Overrall, a generic youtuber who got old fast, but alt righters seem to eat him up

>>1921280
Can't stand this woman

>>1920334
I like him, but don't agree with everything he says. His illiberal progressive video was pretty good and he actually seems to give a shit about his videos. He's not too arrogant and will admit when he's wrong. Also, I did find it funny when he got promoted at an EDL rally.

>>1922200
checked

>>1920343
Sargon uses logic and empiricism to debunk people, not just naming fallacies.

>>1920859
I read that in his voice. Help me.

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At least he's not this abomination

>>1920334
He ain't getting views because he knows history. People don't care about history. He lampoons. sjews in an entertaining manner.

>>1923187

holy shit, his content is so cringy

>>1920346
>>1920350
t. Saigon of Vietcong

>>1923187
>>1923213

You are like little babies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMr2a4zvaEU&t=1s

>>1923225
Still not an arguement
t. Shlomo of Jerusalem

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@The fallacies crowd

How is "ad hominem" a fallacy? Isn't it perfectly reasonable to point out that a thief is defending thievery?

>>1923239
No.
Maybe the thief's defense of thievery is correct.

>>1923246

Autism.
Pointing out character and motives is reasonable among the world of neurotypical wholesome people.

>>1923239
I could argue that ad hominem is not a fallacy at all, since the character of a speaker often plays a huge role, at least in the questions of ethics and morality, but the bigger problem is that you start off with the wrong assuption that fallacious arguments are ALWAYS wrong. They arent. Fallacy defines as an argument that can be deflected with formal logic. Good rhetotic, according to Aristotle, is composed of harmony between logos, pathos, and ethos, and only one of these is a subject of appeal to fallacy

>>1923246
This. The trustworthiness of the proponent has no bearing on the validity of the argument. In theoretical debates, that is. However, when someone is advising an action, arguments they make should be judged alongside their character, as in that case it's entirely possible that they are privy to information that the advised is not; and the advised's ignorance could result in a different, less beneficial outcome than the one stated by the untrustworthy person.

>>1923239
>Isn't it perfectly reasonable to point out that a fag is defending homosexuality?
>Isn't it perfectly reasonable to point out that a religious person is defending his religion?
>Isn't it perfectly reasonable to point out that a pacifist is defending pacifism?

>>1920343
you're a millennial

>>1923329
not an arhuement

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>>1920919
>le epic fallacy chart
>laws of logic

>>1920381
because fallacies aren't objective. they're just containment strategies for ideas you don't like to think about.

>>1923337
I know, because it's a fact.

>>1923239

There's nothing wrong with pointing it out. But in a theoretical debate, with a specific topic what he does for a living does not actually affect his argument, it might inform his argument, it might be the reason why he holds the opinion being argued over, but at the end of the day, as a response to debate, attacking an individuals character is just getting away from the point.

"Thievery is good because X" said by a thief.
"Thievery is good because X" said by a non-thief.

When in debate with either the Thief or the non-Thief your job is to refute "Thievery is good because X" Doesn't matter who said it. And if you are in a debate with a thief rather than a non-thief, how does pointing out "Hey you're a thief" refute or challenge the claim that "Thievery is good because X" it simply doesn't and drags the discussion away from the point towards character assassination.

How does one make an argument?

>>1921774
not an argument

He's a whiny pseudo intellectual who gets views by making fun of "sjw's" and not really adding anything of substance to his discussions

>>1923516
Deductive
>True premise that supports conclusion
>True premise that supports conclusion
>Conclusion that can not possible be false of the premises are true

Inductive
>True premise
>True premise
>Conclusion that is probably true given the premises are true

>>1923239
This image is stupid. In a debate setting all that counts is the validity of your arguments. If all of your arguments can be pointed out as a specific fallacy then youre losing the debate. Pointing out your oponets fallacies is perfectly valid

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no u

>>1925000
not a... oh fuck it

>people talking about a meme YouTube personality instead of actual Sargon of Akkad which was a very interesting historical figure

So when is this board getting nuked because it's basically thinly-veiled political discussions board?

The reason why people like Fagopoulis is because he's entertaining to watch, whether you agree with his idiocy or not. Sargon is just mighty boring and dull, he strikes me as a no-fun-allowed autist without any self-awareness

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/his/, do you guys really give a shit about youtubers like him? And with that I mean youtubers who mainly dedicate their channel to (shit)talking about other (shit)talkers with a different view on events/subjects, proposing these dumbass counterarguments after every 5 to 15 second clip from whoever they are 'debating' against, just so that their viewers with the same amount of tunnel vision as the opposition can absorb these arguments?

>>1926961
>animeposter bumps cancer thread from page 10 with smug, self-satisfied egoposting while calling other people shittalkers

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>>1920919
>laws of logic

What the fuck is going on in this thread?

>>1920334
The latter.

>Sargon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmKGPRXE-xw

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>>1921280
obligatory

>>1922200
brave opinion