I've often seen people dismiss the notion that American

>>1917377
America is becoming socially communist and its government isn't too far behind

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>>1917380
I agree yet many people seem to think that this happened "organically" within American culture without any outside influence and to suggest otherwise gets you labeled as a nut-job conspiracy theorist.

What gives???

Where's the communism in the US? The very mention of the word is like evoking the nazis and you are imediately labelled unamerican.

believing the Soviets funded socialist movements in the united States is very different from believing the yuri bezmenov meme about a cadre of kgb officers providing academics a script to follow. also the latter takes a shit on how good the cia/FBI counter intelligence programs were at dismantling socialist organizations that were legitimately dangerous (like the black panthers)

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The Soviet Union with all its nukes and the rise of the military-industrial complex through Cold War proxy battles, the threat of nuclear armageddon in Cuba, the Civil Rights movement, anti-Communist hysteria, crack and heroin epidemics, or rising inequality and the impact of the drug war couldn't destablize America but somehow "SJWs" on Twitter whining about muh patriarchy and trannies on magazine covers can? Color me surprised when I look at /pol/ infographics and dismiss them as tinfoil conspiracies. And I swear I've seen this same infographic before except it blamed the Jews for everything.

>>1917447
I don't claim to know the specific people involved but why is it so ridiculous to believe that academia was infiltrated by communists?

>>1917480
It's not an either/or situation, all those things you listed AND the SJW movement had foreign support. If you were to trace the trajectory of American culture you would have to be blind not to notice a hard turn to the left with the what is literally called the "cultural REVOLUTION." Do you honestly believe that the Soviets weren't supporting the anti-Vietnam war movement?

>>1917631
The sjw movement of today came from Bush's years in power. And the word revolution does not belong to communists, it means a sudden, radical, or complete change. I don't deny Soviets trying to undermine the society in the US, but to make them the boogeyman and claiming they are behind all the leftist movements that exist today is overly simplified and inaccurate. This sounds like todays meme of Russia influencing rightwing movements in Europe and the US.

>>1917685
I agree that the SJW movement achieved cultural prominence during the Bush years but it didn't just appear out of nowhere. Already in the 70s academia was pushing to normalize homosexuality and it was in 1973 that it was removed from the DSM. Also lets not forget the sexual revolution and the women's liberation movement which also have their origins in the 60s and 70s. These developments laid the foundation which allowed SJWism to become mainstream during the Bush years.

Furthermore you agree that the Soviets were trying to undermine American society but then say that it's wrong to make them a "boogeyman." Do you think they were going half-speed or something? If you admit that they were influencing American culture then that means they were certainly involved in supporting all the social upheaval from the mid 20th-century onwards. It's not like they didn't have the resources or the willpower to do so, they were the second most powerful nation on the planet.

>>1917685
>This sounds like todays meme of Russia influencing rightwing movements in Europe and the US.

But that is true though:

http://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/

http://www.politico.eu/article/le-pen-russia-crimea-putin-money-bank-national-front-seeks-russian-cash-for-election-fight/

>>1917377
Because such theories vastly overstate the competence and resources of the Soviet Union to accomplish said goal.

It's nothing more than trying to find hidden strings where none exist.

>b-but muh progressive agenda ruining everything

Humanity is naturally progressive. If not we would still be Hunter gatherers or living in the feudal system. Christians and Enlightenment thinkers were the SJW left of their days with muh all men are equal in god's eyes and god given rights. Is it really a shock that these ideas form in places where ideas and knowledge are concentrated and exchanged?

Those conspiracy theories sound ridiculous because they are. It's the same as all conspiracy theories and /pol/ memes are just as bad as the liberals they hate. They just spin shit up to conform to their own world view because reality is whatever they want it to be.

Seriously consider that these are the same people that believed that all civilizations of significance were nordics, literally on the same level of WEWUZ, and try to take any shit they spout seriously.

No the Soviet Union didn't infiltrate all of the academic west to ruin the perfect capitalist utopia. Take your conspiracy theories to /x/ where they belong.

>>1917747
>muh inevitable progression of history
go away

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>>1917747
>Humanity is naturally progressive.

>Christians and Enlightenment thinkers were the SJW left of their days

>>1917762
>implying the Enlightenment wasn't a progressive revolution
Progressivism is relative.

>>1917747
>vastly overstate the competence and resources of the Soviet Union to accomplish said goal.

How so? There are always malcontents in any society, all the Soviets had to do was identify who they were in America and then provide them with financial and logistical support. Not that hard really.

>>1917719
The FBI disproved Trumps ties to Russia.

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>>1917775

>>1917775
Where's your evidence that the Soviets didn't fund radical elements of American society during the Cold War?

>>1917770
>provide them with logistical and financial support
>all they had to do is

I don't think you understand just how large said breach would have to be to actually sway Western academia in any meaningful way.

You're talking about the influencing and secret financial backing of tens of thousands of people for years and years to actually see any kind of shift.

You really think the Soviet Union pulled that off?

>>1917785
So you don't have an argument?
https://www.nsa.gov/news-features/declassified-documents/venona/

>>1917785
>/pol/ is one person

>>1917789
I don't think you'd need tens of thousands, you would just need to have the most influential institutions such as the IVs and then the others would naturally follow suit because they wouldn't want to seem out of step with the prestige. And yes I definitely believe the Soviets would be willing to devote decades of concerted effort to do so.

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/1953/4/24/mit-professor-admits-former-red-affiliation/

>>1917818
I got a laugh out of the muh property in the bottom right desu.

>>1917816
>Posts one professor who ceased being a Communist in 1945
>Who plainly says being a part of the group didn't confirm being a member of the party
>Left because he didn't agree with the party's eventual message

In your own article you've posted why such efforts are utterly shit and doomed to failure.

>were willing
I never asked if you thought they were willing. I'm sure they were.

I asked if you actually think they accomplished such a mission. You then post an article highlight a failure of said mission.

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>>1917420

>>1917420
>Where's the communism

For the corporate elite and the military. Everybody else is just told to work harder.

>>1917818
>marx is white
>being corrected because it's 'wrong'
Good job admitting Jews ain't white.

>>1917839
The point of the article is to demonstrate that there were active communist cells in academia not that this one guy was representative of all of them.

Again many dismiss the notion of communist subversion out of hand as something that is crazy and could never happen but we have evidence that it did happen. What is up for debate is how extensive and effective it was.

>>1917850
Don't fault me, I'm just going off of what /leftypol/ made and it literally stated that the claim 'Marx is white' is being corrected for being wrong.

>>1917775
Fuck off, you are jusr as bad as the pol variety redditors who infest this site

>>1917795
Is it ironic that this image, in of itself is a strawman?

>>1917800
I always admired those tiddies in this pic

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>>1917840
Except it was egalitarianism,which is direct opposition to "feminism" (read as feminazis) due to it's intrinsic nature of equal treatment, rather than "protected classes" and the like.

>>1917865
Not an argument of my unfunniness.

>>1917377
Because trying to get a group of people to do the same thing is like herding cats

>>1917867
same t.b.h.

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>>1917377
It goes into tinfoil land when it becomes, "Everything I don't like is part of the Marxist Cultural infiltration."

>I can no longer sit back and allow communist infiltration, communist indoctrination, communist subversion, and the international communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
Cuz, at that point, that's what you sound like.

There was a much stronger communist movement in America before the USSR than after, so if anything, they were failing miserably. The Red Scare put the lockdown on that "infiltration" and a whole lot beyond it.

And to claim that the KGB, to this day, is fueling LGBTQURTAXSZY acceptance is just pure insanity. You can trace the organic growth of most of that movement, and the movements it piggy backed on.

Especially when you consider, even today, most Americans have no idea what "socialism" or "communism" (or even "progressivism" or "liberalism") is, and basically treat them as curse words to be applied to any social or political movement they don't approve of, resulting in a sort of doublespeak even George Orwell would have been astounded by.

But now you no doubt think I'm a paid part of the conspiracy, so there ya go.

>>1917846
It's meant to dismantle SJWs dude...

>>1917870
Except no

>>1917893
Except no

>>1917895
Except yes

>>1917898
Except no

>>1917901
Except yes

>>1917854
There is evidence of minor cells that fell apart almost before they even really began, most of them before the 1950's.

There isn't evidence of any sort of large scale Communist infiltration of Western academia and media. In fact the opposite is true as said in this thread. There was a larger Communist movement in the States before the Soviet Union tried getting involved.

Sure you can debate it but you walk a fine line between debating and tin foil territory.

>>1917774
[citation needed]

>>1917909
Except no

>>1917918
Except maybe?

>>1917377
>but I've never really understood what is so crazy about it.
The problem is it imagines the US is passive the whole time while being "corrupted" by its enemies, it vastly overestimates the reach and power of its enemy, all other factors or actors are ignored (such as the CIA despite them doing plenty of meddling at home and abroad), and it is usually followed by "everything I don't like is connected" type theories. Conspiracy theories like Prouty's "The Secret Team" are better simply because they acknowledge people other than intellectuals matter and there is a lot of shit going on in the world. In many right wing conspiracy theories only intellectuals matter (and only a certain type at that) and you can find frequent mention that communists have infiltrated the government despite the left's many, many setbacks.

>>1917921
Except not really

>>1917925
Except sorta kinda

>>1917928
Except I don't think so

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>>1917870
Basically this
>>1917891
>>1917893
>>1917895
>>1917898
>>1917901
>>1917909
>>1917918
>>1917921
>>1917925
Also I'm calling samefag on this shit...

>>1917932
Except I think you should

What else do you call a theory with no substance or solid proof, that tries to lump a load of different social events from vatious decades and cultures that can clearly be traced back to other "conventional" origins, into a single comic-book tier plan with the goal to explain the current politics of the 1st world?

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>>1917936
Except no

>>1917938
>haha dude the soviets would never do something like that i mean supporting various social upheaval movements occurring within their primary geopolitical rival? lol thats just crazy bro sounds like something out of a comic book could never happen irl haha

>>1917954
Except... Wait, yer right this time. As you were.

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>>1917954
Well I stand corrected.

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>>1917959

>>1917959
Yet somehow you don't blame this for such phenomenon as the religious right, various secession movements, various market crashes, or the various heavily armed militias ready to take down the government during "The Great Happening", and various other more obvious, more direct, and more effective threats to US hegemony.

>>1917843
this is literally the opposite of communism

>>1917959
And finally in the face of actual discourse his facade fails and we fall back into tinfoil memes

Shit thread

>>1917959

>if it sounds like something they would do then THEY TOTALLY DID IT AND THE JOOS ARE HIDING IT

>>1917747
>Humanity is naturally progressive
the beliefs of current "progressives" aren't necessarily synonymous with progress though, it's just the way they chose to brand themselves

>>1917377
I agree anon. Once a foreign government chooses to support an ideology in a foreign land, i just inevitably moves the culture further and further in this direction.

Hearts of Iron IV isn't just the most realistic strategy game, it's the most realistic vision of human societies ever conceived.

>>1917965
how so? the anon i was responding to did exactly what i was complaining about in the op which is to dismiss the idea of foreign subversion as something that is crazy and could never happen. we do have evidence that the kgb was actively trying to manipulate foreign governments and this shouldn't surprise anyone because that is literally what an intelligence agency does (the cia does the same thing). if you need a link here's one:

http://www.nytimes.com/1986/02/11/us/kgb-subversion-tactics-described.html

>>1917399
(((They))) have always done them at to people who question the narrative.

>>1919090
There is a difference between saying there were attempts at espionage within the US by the Soviet Union and that there was some massive infiltration of American academia that's swayed the political thought of the country. One is an interesting topic of history and conversation the other is completely unfounded, tinfoil nonsense.

>>1917399
>>1919099
>Marx theorizes that socialism will arise naturally to offset the problems created by capitalism
>Socialism begins to arise mainly because of the problems caused by a capitalist market
>ITS DA GOMMIES FAULT

Or maybe, Marx actually had a point to his theory.

>>1917768
>implying modern day progressives are in any shape or form like enlightenment thinkers
>Today's progressives push for abolition of free speech, self defense, trail by jury, patriotism/nationalism, a shutdown of scientific research proving biological differences between races
Ya no today's "progressives" are just communists with a makeover

>>1919124
>Free speech
An issue but one relegated to a minority of "progressives" mainly college kids who will grow out of it. They're just the latest flower power.

>Self defense
Kek

>Patriotism/nationalism
That's being thrown out of the window because of globalism, something Western capitalists want very much.

>trial by jury
Source?

>A shutdown of race pseudo science
Again, kek

>>1919120
>Marx theorizes that socialism will arise naturally to offset the problems created by capitalism
>Socialism begins to arise mainly because of the problems caused by a capitalist market
Except that's not what happened, socialism was promoted by ideologues who used it as a means to get power.
There's a reason it did not rise up in the United States until academia was taken over (hence why you see basically zero conservative professors, it's like a Stalinist Soviet Union, only one form of opinion is acceptable)
T. Someone who works in a university
>ITS DA GOMMIES FAULT
Yep pretty much

How can American culture be manipulated if they hold the cultural hegemony over the world?

>>1919157
>theres a reason why you didn't see it in the US until academia was taken over

Except there were far greater movements for communism and socialism before the Soviet Union even became a global power.

In fact a great deal of it died shortly after the end of world war 2, when the Soviet Union tried to actually influence Western socialist and Communist movements.

>academia was taken over
Citation needed

>>1919157

>There's a reason it did not rise up in the United States until academia was taken over

what the fuck are you talking about, the peak of american communism was pre and during the russian revolution

>>1919145
>An issue but one relegated to a minority of "progressives" mainly college kids who will grow out of it. They're just the latest flower power.
expect when Hillary Clinton says she wants to shut down sites like beritbart
That you know progressives in a position of authority doing that
>kek
Do people not have the right to defend themselves?
>That's being thrown out of the window because of globalism, something Western capitalists want very much.
no it has to do with indoctrination in our schools about being "global citizens" I was myself brainwashed with this filth when I was young.
Also ya CORPORATISTS (it's not capitalism when the government bails you out) want it.
>Source
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/12/juries-no-place-rape-trials-victims-deserve-unprejudiced-justice-judge%3F0p19G%3De?client=safari

>A shutdown of race pseudo science
>Again, kek
If it is only "pseudo science" why do we need laws to disprove it? Wouldn't the best way to handle it be to disprove it? Unless you can't do that...

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> Soviet Union collapsed
> They done that by themselves! XD
> SJW now is part of american culture
> Wake up sheeple, totally communist plot! D:
It is true that no culture exist in vacuum, but States aren't really the innocent victim here. Competition of the ideas is nothing view in the history.

>>1917719
LOL POLITICO

>>1919188
>Citation needed
Here
https://www.google.com/amp/dailysignal.com/2016/01/14/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservative-faculty-5-to-1-academics-explain-why-this-matters/amp/?client=safari

>>1917762
The frankfurt school had a significant influence on modern academia in American universities.

>>1919222
This but /his/ has a lot of very indoctrinated neckbeards on it that say that's "conspiracy theory"

Okay, here is the question. Why President didn't like spend some cash to counter KGB attempts? It isn't like you can't create say New Your school to promote classical traditions, if you really want.

>>1919127
please tell me >she has a dick

>>1919229
The government funded modern art to counter the kay gee bee.

>>1919225
>So....when people are enriched in peer review and become highly educated...they tend to be...leftist?
More like leftists hire other leftists. So after a few generations (helped by affirmative action) you have almost no conservatives.
Or another way to think about it is those people have been brainwashed for 20plus years so they've started to believe the cognitive dissonance

>>1919225
>0_o mindfuck
These are the types of posters /his/ attracts?

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>>1919229

>>1919235
Proof? There's a lot of evidence to suggest otherwise
You're claiming it's a conspiracy theory, burden of evidence is on you to prove it is.

>>1919251
Some people do, the majority don't, especially when you're surrounded by it and the act of questioning the narrative could result in losing your job.
No grad conspiracy just In group preference that results in only one side winning.

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>>1919228
> significant influence
So... Like any other legit scientific groups? I don't see people blaming Bourbaki for ruining a modern mathematics.

>>1919259

>There's a lot of evidence to suggest otherwise

/pol/ info graphics? news articles by mainstream US newspapers (not much of a secret if it appears on the times) from the cold war?

>>1919269
>The fucking ideas died in the 30's or less. Anybody who says otherwise is someone's brain filling in what isn't there.
well you're ignorant of history because communism is alive and well in social justice movements and college professors
https://youtu.be/8gwdr-X9mRA
I can keep finding examples but you clearly want to ignore reality

>>1919286
https://youtu.be/EjaBpVzOohs
Here's a documentary from the 90's explaining it and basically predicting today's college campuses

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>>1919279
People don't change much. A minority do but not "the majority" learn statistics m8

>>1919298
Not an argument
You are denying evidence you don't like

>>1919302
Literally predicting what has happened

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>>1919309
>Solid Liberal is considered left in the U.S

>>1919290
> communism is alive and well
So is medieval tier christianity and all other kind of obscurantism. Doesn't mean that ideas alive in the pure academical sense of the word.

>>1919316
>You first. There are more people who share opinions in one place is not evidence of conspiracy, suggesting such is fucking retarded.
when 80-90% of a population share a view point not as widespread outside their echochamber (university) clearly something is going on to cause that.
In group preference is logically what causes it because people hire people with similar view points.
Pretty simple
>You don't work in a university
Hate to break it to you but I do, that's why I'm telling you this because that's what happens.

>>1919322
Not an argument. I never said "a vast conspiracy" I said in group preference for other leftist. Pretty simple.

> American culture has been manipulated
Influenced, maybe. Manipulated? This is retarded.

>>1917789
That's really not that hard to do. 10,000 isn't that many people.

>>1919330
Not many colleges would hire a evangelical creationist biology teacher, but they will hire a Marxist philosophy teacher.

>>1919296

>In 1919, Lukacs asked, 'Who will save us from Western civilization?'

>When I tried at this time to put my emotional attitude into conscious terms, I arrived at more or less the following formulation: the Central Powers would probably defeat Russia; this might lead to the downfall of Tsarism; I had no objection to that. There was also some probability that the West would defeat Germany; if this led to the downfall of the Hohenzollerns and the Hapsburgs, I was once again in favour. But then the question arose: who was to save us from Western civilisation? (The prospect of final victory by the Germany of that time was to me nightmarish.)
– Preface to The Theory of the Novel, 1962

not even 3 minutes into it and he's already bullshitting

>>1919339
>Yeah...being exposed to a huge amount of information new to you in university and being young.
ok so you agree we do indoctrinat people in college? Good we can agree on that
>God do you even know how universities work
Do you even know how people work? I also do know because I work at one...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group_favoritism

>>1919346
Marxist philosophy is like Christian theology. You shouldn't be punished for studying it, as marxism economy is what really creationism tier.

>>1919357
Not an argument

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>How can people adopt an ideology radically opposed to the reigning economic model?

>I know! It must be a brainwashing conspiracy! It slipped past the CIA, FBI, NSA and every NATO aligned intelligence agency but this youtube video full of misquotes and historical inaccuracies uncovered it!

>>1919366
>Nobody is getting indoctrinated holy god damn shit.
well you're clearly a victim of said indoctrination because you can't see it. That's how brainwashing works.
What would you call this class? How does it do anything other than teache people to think a certain way?
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/23993/

>>1917377
Because there's no evidence for it anymore due to the late Soviet Union destroying a large amount of records detailing their espionage exploits. That doesn't mean it didn't happen, the current scandal in Korea is a perfect example of how sometimes the things that seem just a little too unbelievable are the truest.

>>1917377
It is not crazy, just human error.

The conspiracy theory overinflates the connections between different groups. For example social science faculties are influenced by a variety of schools, of which the Frankfurt school is just 1, it does not prove that every social science faculty in the country took their orders from the Frankfurt school.

This is just 1 connection, you would have to prove that every connection is solid to prove that the Frankfurt school orchestrated all the problems at the bottom of Red Pill.png

A large number of individuals holding the same opinions on every single issue, using the same lingo and having a herd mentality are INDOCTRINATED.

maeks you think

>>1919387
Not everyone, just people who defend the sources of said brainwashing and act a predictable way because they've been taught to act that way.
Here's a somewhat unrelated question, do you think diversity quotas are a good thing? Should they be mandatory?

>>1919346
And? The former is a direct conflict, the latter isn't, although he could be horribly biased

>>1919120
You just keep attacking a straw man you made. Who here actually ever said there was a massive infiltration and not just run of the mill espionage that was intended to have social impacts. Ylu seriously gonna try to say that didn't happen?

>marxist philosophy
>creationist biology

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>1919296

http://marxistupdate.blogspot.cl/2011/08/shibboleths-of-cultural-capitalism.html

try and defend it


pro tip: [spoiler]you cannot[/spoiler]

>>1919411
>whoever said

This guy >>1919157

Yes it happened and it was largely insignificant.

>>1919411
He will though because his (((professor))) taught him all claims of Marxism in colleges is conspiracy theory and the person saying so must be discredited

>>1919416
>You mean like people who post on /pol/
no I mean anyone who will atleast consider the possibility of leftist ingroup preference which you clearly won't.

>God go ask HR, I''m sure even Janitors have access to it
Not an answer you are dodging the question, you know why? Because you know they are stupid (diversity quotas) but are to scared to say so, you know why? Because you believe in equality of outcome not equality of opportunity. Not next you will deny all this but I'll ask again, should we force people to work in certain places because it's more "fair"

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>>1919420
Then why do you talk like such a pinko eh?

>>1919440
>Like people who post on /pol/
or average people I talk to at my work in a university

>Now this is a bloody hot argument irrelevant to the point of cultural soviet espionage
It's related because it shows your indoctrinated mindset. Most leftist believe equally of outcome should be enforced and I'm simply asking you if you believe that. To find out how brainwashed the person I'm talking to really is.
And you continuously dodging the question is proving my point.

>>1919409
> Should they be mandatory?
Why would quotas not be mandatory?

>>1919454
>believe equally of outcome should be enforced

So what school did you take your english composition at

>>1919420
I disagree with you on its significance. It seems to have been more successful that they had ever hoped for.

>>1919454
>Most leftist believe equally of outcome should be enforced

not him, but you have a very immature mind to say that

that's like saying most rightists believe we should enforce white people having advantages and privileges others don't

>>1919454
> outcome should be enforced
Are you against the world where any person can get into college?

>>1919448
Take the joke, moron.

Also, nobody gives a fuck about your edgy little commie club. It's not even a blip on the fucking radar.

>>1919464
that's not outcome, that's opportunity

>>1919461
>You sound like a cunt
Not an argument

>You're not in a university
Not an argument, also I am, you just don't like my points, because they seem to be getting to you.

>>1919458
Not through any concentrated effort on their part but because academia usually breeds similar ideologies and creates a centralization of like minded ideas.

This has been a recurring theme in history and has nothing to do with commie infiltration.

>>1919448
He was clearly joking m8

>>1919466
How are poltards calling anyone anything when they're the laughing stock of this Mexican Tapestry barter forum

>>1919463
>that's like saying most rightists believe we should enforce white people having advantages and privileges others don't
Trying to blame this one the right wing when the left promotes and defends the idea of affirmative action.
Also FYI the NAZI were left wing socialists hence the name "National Socialist workers party of Germany"
But history is written by the victors (the left)

>>1919466
Not according to the buttmad /pol/fag that constantly label everyone he doesn't like as /pol/

>>1919477
It is a theme in anywhere with cloased circles. Wall Street, Hollywood etc etc

>>1917848
reminder that evola wasn't liked by the nazis

whoever made that lame mem is obviously a low test beta guck

>>1919482
nah man, they are so cool, they spread lies on twitter, rig online polls, dislike youtube videos and harass online personas(literally what some guys on 8gag intended to organize)

>>1919465
I never said that, moron.

>>1919489
It is liked by /pol/ who also likes nazi/Hilter. The whole point of the picture is to mock /pol/ not nazis

>>1919493
crazies gonna crazy, it seems like every election cycle they go into overdrive and then everyone's dead by January

>>1919484
affirmative action does not have universal support on the left, and you know it

aa hurts asians more btw, just saying

yes, nazis were leftists, obviously..

>>1919486
This is coming from the idiots that can't make an argument without straw manning to hell.

I also know that your little commie club being irrelevant makes you butt mad and it's delicious.

>>1919496
>mem systems

"""libertarians""", anarchists/anarcho-shit/decadent leftists/socialism are absolutely shit tier

atleast russian communism was aesthetic due to its inherent nationalism, decadent leftism and these other meme systems final goal is to reduce every single nation to the lowest common denominator, turn everything on this planet into somalia, disgusting

>>1919511
Kek this
The left always takes moral and intellectual high ground even though they have done nothing to deserve it. Luckily people are finally catching on.

>>1919511
>your little commie club
what you mean /his/?

that's why pol-fags make constant threads desperately trying to shill here, trying to "beat the leftists" and instead get the red pills burnt out of their system, accidentally - if you didn't have doubt you wouldn't be here

you would be on pol

>>1919482
Why do you always talk about /pol/ when they don't give the slightest of a fuck about you or this board?

They're also the most popular board. Take that as you will. Your rage against a board on this site makes no fucking sense that being said.

>>1919526
>/pol/ when they don't give the slightest of a fuck about you or this board?

ahahah, that's why they and 8gag which is the same literally organize raids and ask eachother "hey bro when they say this about X, what do I say to counter it"

>>1919516
Western leftism really has no end goal, just the destruction of all that oppose them. The funny thing is these same leftists are allowing so many radical Muslims in eventually those Muslims decedents will behead the leftists for not being Islamist.

>>1919538
>>>/lotr/

>>1919529
They don't and you pretending like they do is just pathetic.

>>1919492
Don't even bother

>>1919537
Talk about a conspiracy theory.
>people post things I don't agree with, must be organized trolling! Damn that pol!

>>1919527
It is, the left still does this to appear credible to useful idiots, like about 1/2 this thread

>>1919524
I meant /leftypol/ on the site that shall not be named

Got any more straw men?

>>1919526
>you

Who are you addressing? Is there some hivemind group you think exists?

>p o p u l a r

Yes, crazies congregate, teenagers visit things they see on the news, water is wet

>rage


Says the triggered schizophrenic

>>1919563
>on the site that shall not be named
8gag

>>1919557
implying the country bumpkins and living, breathing tashbags that inhabit everything from the south to the midwest, is any different than the useful idiots the left uses

>>1919565
>hurr I paid 200000 to get a paper saying I is smart!
Ya try again liberal arts major

>>1919552
i've seen people on pol link to his threads and start swarming, generally organizing on irc, discord, 8gag whatever

they are an organized bunch, you can't deny it

>>1919508
Try saying we should aboish it, you will be branded a racist and socially should be ostracized. Say it's racist against whites and Asians you will be labeled a "white supremacist"

>>1919574
>he doesn't know the Neoconservatives are actually Trotsky inspired socialist who use Christians as their useful idiots
Yep leftists do what leftist do.

>>1919586
depends how you say it, people on the left have said it

btw stop with the "being branded a racist", pol is racist, you are a pol-fag, you are a racist

own it

>>1919580
>implying college professors don't organize or have organizations
Thought those were conspiracy theory? Which is it?

>>1919594
>republicans are actually communists

Okay child that's enough internet for you today

>>1919606
id rather trust college professors than 8gag, 8gag has always lied to me

spreading information in an organized way, doesn't mean your info is wrong or right

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>>1919603
Ya the truth is shocking right?
Notice how bush didn't act like a conservative. They talk the talk to sway people and then rule how they see if, sound familiar?

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>>1919484
> the victors
> (the left)
Yeah... Remember when USSR collapsed in 1990? Such a great victory for the left.

>>1919615
>id rather trust college professors than 8gag
You're giving them too much credit by not calling them what they are, mentally unadjusted young adults inside an echo chamber and an obsession with nazi iconography

>>1919628
>bush didn't act like a conservative
So cutting taxes and the whole ban on stem cell research and gay marriage isn't conservative?


Get a grip dude

>>1919628
Better example than Bernie. "Peace, bread, land." Sounds pretty good. Then the opposite happened.>>1919607
Sorry the truth is stranger than fiction. The republicans appeal the the rich and the lower class rural areas. Similar to Lenin at the start of the revolution even though he betrayed the peasants pretty early on.
The similarities are pretty shocking

>>1919630
i think it's more like they just want to be part of a group and matter

>>1919643
You're vastly generalizing and confusing populism

conservative doesn't mean not adhering to poorer people, what definition are you using?

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>>1919636
gay marriage was always banned it's only in the past year or so that it has become unbanned

>>1919647
Neoconservatives are conservative in name only (RHINO) they claim to want to cut spending but never do.

>>1919657
wanting something is not the same as being able to achieve it anon

Real life isn't as easy as doing what you want

>>1919636
Those are to pander to the modern day peasants (religious people in the Midwest) starting revolutionary wars in the Middle East to "spread democracy" (replace democracy with communism and that's straight out of Leon Trotsky mouth) they believe in global governance (NWO) just like international communists.

>>1919680
when did we spread communism to the Middle East

Friendly reminder that academia is the new Iron Curtain.

>>1917747

Retard with no understanding of antiquity

>>1919676
They talk the talk and then once in office show their true colors. NeoConservatives were new deal democrats that came from the democrat party after it became more isolationist with the new left. They have taken over the republican (hence why they hate trump taking it over) they also idiolize regan like the soviets did with Lenin.

>>1919691
it's just another appeal to authority fallacy

>>1919688
We didn't, stop trying to straw man my argument because you see it's probably true. We used spreading democracy as a reason to go to war, just like the Soviet Union would use the idea of "spreading communism"to justify arming rebels in/invading other countries

>>1919699
appeal to authority is when you cite a person for a claim when they have no direct expertise for the claim


Citing Thomas Aquinas when discussing pottery is an appeal to authority


Citing an entomologist on insect discussions isn't

Rarely are people outside of their field cited for thing's they're not experienced in

>>1917781
why should he prove a negative?

>>1919691
> Academia is new Iron Curtain!
> Except when research confirms that blacks are retarded, than science is totally legit.
Like this meme.

>>1919713
appeal to authority fallacy is when you assume that the authority alone makes them credible, which is why so many feminist studies students try to veil their brainwash as something enlightening where people who isn't part of the brainwash/cult should be ignored

>>1919723
if scientists are so evil why do poltards use cell phones and electronics devised by jews

isn't that defeating the purpose

>>1919721
Because evidence shows they did fund people during the Cold War . So saying they didn't is a claim. You have to prove a claim

>>1919721
im not a poltard but funding rebellious elements in other countries is textbook espionage 101

I'd be severely disappointed if Spymasters made 500k a year and didn't manage to put together some kind of infiltration plan

But to say they infiltrated so far that they control the country like in the movie SALT is just nonsense

>>1919726
>why do poltards use cell phones and electronics devised by jews

>isn't that defeating the purpose

No because their purpose would be to win. So you have to use the enemies technology against them. Hence why the third world didn't break free until they had western/Soviet guns

>>1919726
why do islamists or anti-western nations use western technology when they want to defeat or subude the west?

doubt they were devised by jews either

>>1919723
the difference is that such research is condemned and never spoken of outside of fringe sites like this where the government can't ruin your career for going against their accepted science

education and "science" is heavily politicized due to being funded mainly by the state, the state doesn't want to promote or accept things which goes against it, so science which is percieved as negative will never see the light of day due to the already established perimeters

it's the same shit with new discoveries, they're under siege until the government finds it to be appealing, there's no "dude lol no rules apply you can research anything here" world that people thinks there is in academia

To really break free, you need to create your own guns. I am pretty sceptical about (((racial studies))) being worth anything practical here.

>>1919771
the m16 was made by a jew

>>1919771
> never spoken of outside of fringe sites
Many researches are never spoken outside of the niche sites. In that case, media probably doesn't want unnecessary controversy. Which is bullshit, of course, but same silence exist for the most of actual scientific research, sadly.

>>1919771
>such research
i know what you are referring to

you have no clue about genetics, there is good reasons why geneticists haven't approved the race war yet, and no it isn't (((them)))

>>1919830
>muh race war

pls

if the black family repaired itself and the ghetto culture got BTFO then there would be no problems

>>1919870
There'd be much much less but they would still underachieve in proportion to Asians and whites. Evolution didn't stop once we left Africa. Being settled civilization for 1000's of years clearly does effect average IQ in ethnic groups. The more settled and complex the society the higher the IQ
/his/ doesn't want to admit this

>>1919892
> They would still underachieve
One way or another, someone would underachive. Only communists believe otherwise.

>>1919225
>muh peer review
Peer review isn't a magic word you goddamn fool.

It just means your "peers" reviewed your work. If your "peers" are a bunch of corrupt ideologues, only an idiot would expect them approach heterodox research with an open mind.

Good fucking god you Reds are the worst. You'd think after Lysenkoism you'd drop the fucking charade yet here you are playing innocent and dumb while acting as if science is somehow immune to manipulation and bias, and leftists would NEVER let dogma get in the way of research.

All you Reds ever do is LIE!

>>1919913
Not an argument

>>1919913
Not really my man

Keep up with the fallacies though

>>1919925
Not an argument
Straw man fallacy
You being an idiot and not connecting the dots doesn't have to do with being a communist. You're just a idiot

>>1917399
There were trannies in the 50s you fucking mong
Its a crazy conspiracy theory because there is literally no way to "subvert" culture in such a predictable way as to use it as a weapon, at least not in a way that you'd never get caught (which they didn't, obviously).

>>1917480
That guy just looks like a Darius II from the height of the Persian empire

>>1917869
>he thinks the objective and definition of feminism is derived from its name
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha

>>1919971
They have been caught you idiot, the thing is anyone who calls them out on it is label a phobic of some sort and a conspiracy theorist.

>>1919220
"liberal" professors have outnumbered their "conservative" counterparts in education since the enlightenment you mong

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>>1919628
jesus fucking christ...

>>1919971
Do you not understand how ideologies work?

>>1919998
> They have been caught
List all names with corresponding crimes, then.

>>1919359
>indoctrinate people in college
You've never been to college have you. The Freshman are literally the biggest SJW's, in other words, people who haven't even spent a semester at university have been "indoctrinated" according to you.

>>1919998
they've been caught backing radical groups, they haven't been caught infiltrating universities and they sure as hell had nothing to do with trannies

>>1920014
Indoctrination is not a crime.
Especially if the government agrees with what your saying
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School
There's no single "list" it's a belief system that has a large adherence among intellectuals

>>1920023
Ya because children are primed in public school systems and the Internet (tumblr)
Doesn't disprove that this ideology started in colleges

>>1919971
If they didn't get caught why are we talking about them?

What exactly do you think "getting caught" entails? This is America, not the Soviet Union you don't go on trial for spreading foreign ideology here. Nothing can be done other than point out the elephant in the room, and when someone inevitably does people like you call him crazy.

It's pointless to argue with Communists because they by default refuse to recognize other Communists as legitimate Communists, resulting in this absurd scenario we find ourselves in where apparently none of the Communists in academia agitating for revolution are actually Communists since they don't abide by whatever special snowflake branch of leftist theory the individual Communist you're arguing with adheres to.

It's like when the Little Green Men invaded Ukraine.
>Russia invaded Ukraine!
>No we didn't. Give proof.
>Yes you did, look here's some picture of them wearing Russia uniforms using Russian equipment!
>Nope, not us. Don't know what you're talking about it, those soldiers could have come from anywhere.
>Look here's an interview with one who admits he's from Russia!
>He's just there on vacation, he's not a REAL Russia soldier. Please stop with the conspiracy theories you sound like a lunatic.

Only replace Russian soldier with Marxist professor and Ukraine with academia.

>>1919628

>Notice how bush didn't act like a conservative.

?????????

What did he mean by this?

>>1919971
There were trannies for longer than that but the point is that they have always been seen as mentally ill perverts and it's only in the past few years that they're being put on the cover of major magazines and held up as shining examples of "bravery and courage :')"

>>1920008
Please provide statistical evidence.
Considering that most pre-20th century educational institutions in Europe existed in monarchies that did not grant free speech privileges, I find your claim highly dubious.

>>1920038
It was always like this. Education was always an instrument of indoctrination. It's more free now than in the past.

>>1920047
American conservatives are traditionally isolationist. Only in the second half of the 20th century did some become interventionist. (Neoconservatives)
American conservatives traditionally rejected deficit spending, neoconservatives (Reagan, the Bushes) think cutting taxes is good (it is) but they don't also think we should reduce government spending (hence why they run big deficits)
So bush was not a traditional conservative, he was a neoconservative which only really shares the name

>>1920063
He won't because he's revisionist who thinks history has to conform to his progressive world view

>>1920047
http://addictinginfo.org/2014/07/03/neocon-communists/

>>1920044
McCarthy was right all along, but those commies were lost in the fuzzball that is politics and media in America, it was like pissing in an ocean of piss.

You blame everything from trannies to single mothers on commies. Commies blame everything from racism to obesity on capitalism. You might argue "commies are guilty of something unlike capitalism", they are guilty, just not of this. It is not as though putting on women's clothing is a big deal anyway.

>>1920156
Commies of all colors seek to destroy society on some level so they can rebuild it in their image.
It's a big deal when it's being taught to children as if it is normal or even heroic behavior. That's going to screw up a lot of confused kids.

>>1920156
It's divide and conquer 101

>>1917879
>There was a much stronger communist movement in America before the USSR than after, so if anything, they were failing miserably.

This means nothing, but suggests a change in tactics.

>>1917377
Calling it a tinfoil conspiracy is the conspiracy.

The conspiracy is the conspiracy.

>>1917965
>>>haha dude the soviets would never do something like that i mean supporting various social upheaval movements occurring within their primary geopolitical rival? lol thats just crazy bro sounds like something out of a comic book could never happen irl haha

>>1920170
>>1920172
It is not commies, it is ordinary flawed humans getting distraught and confused by their homosexuality.

>>1920222
Yes but when that is taught in school to young children you can damage them and confuse them (see modern beta males)
http://www.fpiw.org/blog/2016/06/02/washington-schools-to-teach-gender-identity-curriculum-in-kindergarten/

>>1920222
Yes it is at type of "commie" it's the gender identity movement. That's one of many different leftist divide and conquer groups. Feminism is another. So is affirmative action

>>1920156
I don't blame commies for creating trannies, I blame commies for creating the idea that trannies aren't fucked in the head.

>>1919413

>I do not understand front organization.

>>1917377
It doesn't seem that crazy, but at this point it seems more of a founding myth for a certain doctrine of political beliefs.

What seems to be the odd claim is that this plan actually succeeded, versus the possibility that societies are dynamic non-static things.

>>1920244
This

>>1920244
They never created such idea. It is liberal one.

So where exactly is the evidence to support this theory? because so far it seems like the "best" proof was >>1919296 's laughably wrong video.

>>1920310
The fact that thousands of college kids protest (while being encouraged by their professors) to end free speech (hate speech laws) the fact you can lose your job for politically incorrect joke. The fact the most sjw's use the same flawed arguments and the same made up words (homophobe, islamophobe)
All this BS is coming from somewhere. These none logical ideas clearly come from sociology departments of universities.
Also the fact we have diversity quotas is also evidence of this, along this the accompanying diverity officers to enforce "diversity"

Soviets aren't the problem, Westerners are. It's easy to point fingers at ebul gommies and da joos but Westerners can only blame themselves for their degeneracy.

>>1920340
homophobe and islamophobe are not any more made up than any other adjective

you are just as indoctrinated as sjw, you use the same words as all the other pol shit stains, the same arguments word for word

become an independent thinker and then worry about other people

>>1920340
> sjw's use the same flawed arguments and the same made up words
Alternative Rights do it all the time, are they part of some sort of commie conspiracy too?! People just meme arguments from each other. Everyone doing that no matter what position they take. For best or for worst.

>>1920340
> All this BS is coming from somewhere.
Tumblr proven that you can invent it himself in like matter of seconds.

>>1920363
I came to these conclusions on my own. You just don't like that someone doesn't adhere to your world view.
I'm describing an certain type of people, of course I use similar language to some also describing the same people.
Do you have critical thinking skills or were you taught to suppress those?

>Alternative Rights
Stupid movement that doesn't really exist outside the Internet. I don't identify with it if that's what you're implying.

>>1920340

>The fact that thousands of college kids protest (while being encouraged by their professors) to end free speech (hate speech laws)

how does this support the idea that the kgb is behind it all? Cause it seems like the natural progression of american politics based on the different social phenomenons, unless you argue that the backlash against the vietnam war was also a secret soviet plot

>the fact you can lose your job for politically incorrect joke

how is this a new thing? during the red scare telling a "politically incorrect joke" could not only get you fired but also thrown in jail

>sjw's use the same flawed arguments and the same made up words (homophobe, islamophobe)

People of the same political alignment the same ideas and terminology is somehow new? Take the alt-right for a current example, they all use the same core concepts : "Cultural marxism", "anti white", "degeneracy", etc. I doubt this means they're part of some conspiracy.

>All this BS is coming from somewhere.These none logical ideas clearly come from sociology departments of universities.

Don't think so, the socio political history of the USA has pretty well defined key events.

>Also the fact we have diversity quotas is also evidence of this, along this the accompanying diverity officers to enforce "diversity"

How exactly? You've mentioned this point before of things being proof of something without establishing any connection between them.

>>1920385
Yes but someone planted the seed of "you can identify as ANYTHING! Identity is a social construct, I learned that my first day of mandatory diversity class.

People of the same political alignment sharing the same ideas and terminology*

>>1920400
> I came to these conclusions on my own.
Spoken like truly brain washed person. :^)
> I'm describing an certain type of people, of course I use similar language to some also describing the same people.
Like certain type of people who just fear Islam described as Islamophobes???

>>1919680
>they believe in global governance (NWO) just like international communists.

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>>1920400
>I came to these conclusions on my own.
yea right, like you don't browse pol

you only hate forced diversity because muh white genocide, not because it goes against equal opportunity, meritocracy and equality in general

>>1920340
That doesn't prove they are taking orders from the grand poobah of SJWs.

They are people butthurt over homophobia, racism and sexism who generate these memes on their own.

The solution is to convince them that constructive criticism is a good thing and disagreeing with them doesn't necessarily mean you are out to get them.

>>1920413
Do I have to spoon feed you everything you brainwashed simpleton?
https://youtu.be/txukr5zgHnw

>>1920416
I don't want forced diversity with enforce quotas that actively discriminate against whites and Asians
Do you think racism is ok when it's helping blacks?

>>1920416
I watch a lot of history documentaries and notice the common patterns of history. You clearly don't.

>>1920429
it hurts Asians much more btw

just hand out EQUAL opportunity and if Asians have the highest frequency on top, so be it

are you against this?

>>1920433

>history documentaries

>The Greatest Story Never Told

>>1920417
Yes but they've been primed to see every disagreement as a class struggle (in this case replace class with gender/race/sexuality)

>>1920406
> someone planted the seed
Identity is a social construct. That doesn't means that you can identify as anything... As you aren't really a society. So, that is less a *planting seed* and more like corruption of an idea. Like in some math class people learn about imaginary number and some retard after lesson claims on Internets, that number aren't actully real and time is a cube or some creationist after biology lesson decides, that chimpanzee is your grand father. Knowledge is legit, retarded conclusions aren't part of a plot.

>>1920423
Please do, please tell me what dey are not telling me, I want more laughs.

A video of speach made by a retard who overrides the speach with dramatic music is not enough.

>>1920441
Nope, but you dodging my question about affirmative action being racist against whites and Asian shows you clearly think that's acceptable

>>1920433
>history documentaries
go read some primary sources instead

btw your post looks like sjw arguing why trump is fascist

it's really good

>>1920458
I just said I'm against it you fucking slimy worm and for the right reasons too, unlike you.

>>1920457
International socialist want the UN to become the world government. If you don't see this you are really blind.

>>1920459
I read lots of books on history too, don't worry.
Just because you don't like the facts doesn't change them.
Ignorance is bliss.

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>>1920469
more plz

>>1920473
yet you wrote documentaries, not books

that's a fact i like

>>1920461
>it hurts Asians much more btw

>just hand out EQUAL opportunity and if Asians have the highest frequency on top, so be it

>are you against this?

Nowhere did you condem the actual institutional racism that exists. If anything your entire post/rant was trying to paint me as a white supremacist (which I'm not)
So I could only assume you support it.
Once again you are proving my point about how you leftists argue, character assassination (don't believe him he's a white supremacist) followed by not answering the question and asking your own question. Good think I've learned how your entire "argument" goes.

>>1920480
Not an argument

>>1920502
>So I could only assume you support it.
read this post again>>1920416

read it very carefully, i even mention equality, literally

do you browse pol?

>>1920512
Not really, do you browse leftypol?

>you only hate forced diversity because muh white genocide, not because it goes against equal opportunity, meritocracy and equality in general

Nope I hate it because it is not equality of opportunity. Once again you're constructing a straw man to attack. Nowhere did I argue white need/deserve and special treatment. You are the one saying all these things kido

>>1920512
Also the state shouldn't be importing millions of people with my tax dollars.
Do you think your taxes should go to paying to import people who in many cases are illiterate IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2015/01/05/800-million-muslims-out-of-1-4-billion-are-illiterate-dr-farrukh-salem/amp/?client=safari
http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/08/65-percent-of-syrian-refugees-cant-read-and-write-join-workforce/

>>1920526
hmm, let me see, i mention equal opportunity, you tell me I am going against equality of opportunity - you lied

you call me racist against whites and Asians, when i talk in my post about equality for people and judging based on individual merit, literally mentioning meritocracy - you lied

finally you tell me you don't browse pol

nah, it's a lie, no doubt

>>>/pol/

you won't get kicked in the brain there, by your buddies, you should just go

>>1920539
You still haven't outright said affirmative action is bad and should be abolished. You keep dodging the question because you're scarier to said it.
>you won't get kicked in the brain there, by your buddies, you should just go
I'm not the one making literally no argument. You are. It's pretty funny desu.
Also refute these
>>1920536
>>1920526
Do you browse leftypol? Still haven't answered that too.

>>1920546
I'm a phonefag btw that's why my spellings been awful
Autocorrect

>>1920546
leftypol isn't a thing and nevertheless isn't the hangout for Dylan roofers like pol is

>>1920566
Still haven't answered
>>1920526
Leftypol is a thing actually
https://8ch.pl/leftypol/
Sorry I found your echo chamber

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>>1920566
;)