How the fuck can cavalry be a real threat? Haha nigga just

You tie up their spears with your disposable units and cav hits them in the back like a uranium bomb dropped on a thriving south-east asian city.

>>1911106
It's like stopping a car with only a handgun. Sure, you could maybe shoot the driver or the tyres, but you're probably getting run over.

>>1911123
Horses won't just run into anything

You're right OP, cavalry is a Jewish lie. It never existed.

>>1911128
War horses were trained to.

>>1911128

>>1911141

Well trained war horses would run into most things. Although there were exceptions.
Never heard of war horses running through a good shield wall.

>>1911106
But they've got Lebron

From what I understand, cavalry were best deployed as:

>fighting other cavalry to prevent them from attacking the flanks of the main body of your army
>wheeling into the space behind the main body of the enemy army and charging into them once both armies have engaged each other and holding each other in place
>running down the enemy when they're retreating from battle

There's probably more.

>>1911113
>Units

Videogame historians are the biggest cancer of this board

>>1911191
That is lighter cavalry
With the advent of the stirrup and heavier horse armor cavalry often timed charged straight into infantry

>>1911238

Ah I understand. I had learned most of that from reading/listening to battles from 200 and 50 BCE so I think cavalry wasn't as heavy back then?

>>1911246
The cataphracts at Carrhae

>>1911246
in the ancient world the only people who had developed the use of fully armored heavy cavalry were the persians. Nobody else developed that until first the byzantines and later western european knights

>>1911275
>>1911285

Interesting, thanks.

>>1911285
>the persians
did they and no one else have the stirrup or something? Were they the only ones with large enough horses? Logically other people should have copied them, but it took fucking centuries for the idea to migrate to the west.

>>1911297
That's because medieval people were stupid fucking apes anon.

>>1911315
No dipshit.
It was a combination of factors such as the change in warfare to more limited combat brought by the fall of rome, invention of stirrup, and improvement of armor

>>1911343
>it took apes so long to invent a fucking stirrup

lmao

>>1911374
>apes
Fuck off xeno scum when we get to space we are coming after you

>>1911106
The Mongols used them better than anyone else and no one at the tme could stop them. Wouldn't have been able to do the same on foot.

>>1911374
People didn't even ride horses until 2000 years after they were domesticated

>>1911106
Yeah but they'll just get longer spears than you do and poke you first.

>>1911106
Once you stood on the receiving end of a cavalry charge you might think differently. Police still do that.

>>1911297
>Were they the only ones with large enough horses?

yes

European horses were tiny as fuck for the longest time

Seriously though I had a friend telling me the best defence against war elephants would be to tell your archers to aim for their eyes once.

>>1911138
Pretty sure they exist on my mind

>>1911106
How the fuck can spears be a real threat? Haha nigga just use your bow.

How the fuck can infantry be a real threat? Haha nigga just use your spear.

>>1911470
The best defense against war elephants is to move out of the way.

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How the fuck can emus be a real threat? Haha nigga just don't be the australian army

>>1911516
or to get your own war elefuns.

>>1911106
This is why horse archers swept the world untill gun powder

>>1911485
GET OUT

>>1911106
I am not sure what thought I found more baffling, that someone would stand and look at a mounted knight charge at him or that someone would charge at the mass of men, in both cases thinking shit's gonna be fine.

>>1911106
Shock factor.
Make routing soldiers keep routing.

>>1911141
>>1911166
This kind of training was specific to certain ages, if I remember correctly.

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>>1911141
Not exactly, in the Battle of Waterloo. The Brits made squares of riflemen armed with bayonets and spears. As the French cavalry charged them, they were forced to circle around because the horses absolutely refused to charge the sharp weapons. Horses aren't fucking suicidal.
>pic related

>>1911516
t. Scipio

These are the main uses for cavalry in medieval warfare:

1: To secure the flanks of your infantry, you are going to need a highly mobile unit here).
2: To counter the enemies cavalry.
3. To cycle charge the backs of exposed infantry (mainly to route the unit).
4.To charge down exposed archers and crossbowmen
5. To run down fleeing units.

>>1912604
Maybe in Civilization.

>>1911106

I once stood in a field next to a group of 50 charging horses and the noise and 'power' they generate is terrifying. I can easily see untrained farmers saying fuck that and trying to get out of their way.

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>>1912183
Thats because the training was shit though.

And by the time of Waterloo the European horse stock was so depleted and degraded that it still suffers from that war to this day.

>>1912604
> I do this in Total War, therefore it must be true.

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>>1911106
I hope you like being a human bowling ball.

>>1912624
good thing untrained farmers weren't participating in battles then

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>>1911969
I stood next to some horses at full gallop, and shit is intimidating as fuck. The feeling is visceral, vibrating and intense.

But charging into a packed mass of armed people, mounted? My horse and I might be armoured as fuck but if the enemy doesn't break instantly I don't see how that works out for me.

>>1912632
What is this from? I want to learn more about training calvary horses.

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>>1911128
>Horses won't just run into anything
k

>>1912717
Swordsmen of the British empire by D.A. Kinsly

This was just a remark by an officer seeing an untrained remount charge head on into a square while the trained ones didn't

>>1911211
Oh don't be so dramatic. It gets people interested in history and some of it is relatively accurate

>>1912183
Listen, cunt. People could and did charge horses DIRECTLY ONTO BAYONETS. Fuck off.

>>1913063
>some of it is relatively accurate
Depends on the game. I've seen way too many dumbasses here whose views on technological progression, cultural/political evolution, and environmental determinism, are way too aligned with Civ 5 to see them or their ideas as anything other than retarded.

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I don't understand how the whole brace the lance and charge worked. I mean, if you pierce someone with the lance at the speed of a horse then that thing is not coming out or it breaks if the other guy is heavily armored.
Someone please explain it to me.

>>1913218
Is dat some eisenwald?

>mean, if you pierce someone with the lance at the speed of a horse then that thing is not coming out
That's fine
>or it breaks if the other guy is heavily armored.
Or it transfers the momentum of horse and rider to the target, hopefully piercing the armor, and possible throwing him from his horse if it doesn't.