https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe _Chimpanzee_War Now tha

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasakela_Chimpanzee_Community

It's like someone made a character list for a novel

>>1901550
>Kasakela apologist detected.
Gombe is rightful Kahama clay when will the Kasakela admit their crimes?

>>1901550
Wow. I knew this behavior was known, but didn't know there was extensive documentation about it. Interesting.

>>1901575
There is literally no evidence of the so called """"""""Kahama genocide"""""""".

>>1901586
Jane Goodall spent 50 years running around the Congo watching chimps eat each other and shit everywhere, what a life

>>1901599
Go back to kasakelafront.org you dumb inbred fuck.

Remember the six!

>>1901831
wonder if she ever did something more than watch them?

>>1902383
KONGED.com when?

>>1901550
>literally kill some dudes and kidnap their women
Kasakela Rome when?

>>1901831
>Jane Goodall spent 50 years running around the Congo watching chimps eat each other and shit everywhere, what a life

She also tried to convince herself they were good primates that dindu nuffin; meanwhile they have an extremely tight dominance-hierarchy that is exceptionally brutal.

She tried to hide that for a long time.

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>tfw Kasakela get BTFO by Kalande and lose all their territorial gains
There is justice in the world

>>1902374

Gombe belonged for Kesekala for generations before the Kahama tried to succeed. The war was entirely justified in order to ensure southern Gombe culture not decline in favour of monkey business and anarcho-apeitism.

>>1902412
I don't why she didn't just study Bonobos instead.

>>1902383
Primates have tiny dicks.

but what was the cause

>>1902657
One ape scuffed another's nikes

>>1902644
i'm a primate and i have a huge donger.

>>1902692
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasakela_Chimpanzee_Community#Frodo

>Frodo's aggression was not limited to Colobus monkeys and other chimpanzees. In May 2002, he killed a 14-month-old human baby that the niece of a member of the research team had carried into his territory.[43] As a result, the Tanzanian National Parks Department considered killing Frodo.[43] In 1988, he attacked cartoonist Gary Larson, leaving him bruised and scratched.[43] In 1989, he attacked Goodall, beating her head to the point of nearly breaking her neck.

what the fugg

this thread is fucking great

>>1903988
he dindu nuffin he a good boy

institutionalized racism against the kesekalans is to blame

>>1901550
>For several years I struggled to come to terms with this new knowledge. Often when I woke in the night, horrific pictures sprang unbidden to my mind—Satan [one of the apes], cupping his hand below Sniff's chin to drink the blood that welled from a great wound on his face; old Rodolf, usually so benign, standing upright to hurl a four-pound rock at Godi's prostrate body; Jomeo tearing a strip of skin from Dé's thigh; Figan, charging and hitting, again and again, the stricken, quivering body of Goliath, one of his childhood heroes.

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>>1903988
>attacked cartoonist Gary Larson
kek

>>1903988
Let's not forget he fathered 8 fucking children and died of a bite to the groin
Truely a sav

>>1903988
Lol he had a kid with his mother

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>>1902608
Bonobos mainly live in the Congo Basin, an area which wasn't really the safest place to be during Jane Goodall's research.
Also, obligatory Kanzi and Panibisha image, smart chimps but almost fucking comedic how obese they are.

>>1904240
I wonder what's going through their head when they see a human. They're intelligent enough to understand on some level that we're closely related.

>>1904240
Literally looks like downs syndrome chimp

>>1902692
Humans actually have the largest dick size out of most primates. Humans have the largest girth I believe, but Bonobos and Chimpanzees are comparable in length.
However, Chimpanzees have, hands down, the largest testicles. Seriously, chimp balls are fucking huge (probably some correlation with aggression kek).

>>1904240
>smart chimps but almost fucking comedic how obese they are
>They're from Georgia

>>1904246
Actually, it's quite a fascinating topic, sadly not much research was done past the 60's and 70's due to ethical issues, and the fact that the great apes have long life spans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_ape_language
In particular:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washoe_(chimpanzee)
>When Washoe was shown an image of herself in the mirror, and asked what she was seeing, she replied: "Me, Washoe".Primate expert Jane Goodall, who has studied and lived with chimpanzees for decades, believes that this might indicate some level of self awareness. Washoe appeared to experience an identity crisis when she was first introduced to other chimpanzees, seeming shocked to learn that she was not human. She gradually came to enjoy associating with other chimps.

>>1904262
Interesting. Those aol chat logs from Koko in 1997 didn't seem very promising though. Every third sign was a request for a treat. kek.

>>1904262
That's like when a person grows up with only another ethnicity and then they go to a school with s bunch of other people of their race.

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>>1904249

>>1904253
They need to mate multiple times because their (alpha) female copulate several times in heat to obfuscate fatherhood. When demand is high, you need more expand your factory.

>>1904288
Ah, thanks for the clarification. Interestingly enough, I've read a similar mechanism exists in humans. Women apparently obfuscate fatherhood (for a variety of reasons, like reduced infanticide) by lacking a detectable estrus period. I personally thought it might be related to adaptability, but whatever.

>>1904262
>literally named SATAN
>people ITT are still defending the Kasakela

>>1904331
they did nothing wrong kahama apologist

>>1904337
>genocide the Kahama, who you outnumber 2:1
>turn and run the moment the Kalande go after you

Fuck the Kasakela, reparations when?

>Figan, charging and hitting, again and again, the stricken, quivering body of Goliath, one of his childhood heroes.

It's like from an anime or something.

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>>1904262

>Kenyan children as old as 6 fail the mirror test
>literal chimps in the jungle pass

b-but, muh environmental factors

>>1904382
>Kenyan children as old as 6 fail the mirror test
Seriously?

>>1904404
>be Kenyan child
>Born in extreme poverty
>Constantly hungry every day is a struggle
>One day these weird white psychologists show up and give your mother some money for a study
>They look and act weird and put you in front of a mirror
>Don't know how to react to wtf
>Mom plz help who are these white devil's what do they want I'm hungry
>Psychologists scribble something down
>Go back to your poverty shack
>Six months later autistic white supremacists take your weird reaction to the mirror as conclusive proof that you're dumber than an animal
>Die of starvation

>>1904404

Yup

http://jcc.sagepub.com/content/42/6/1018.abstract

Of course it's a psych study, so the conclusions they draw are laughable

>>1901550
>Decisive Kasakela victory.

Fucking KEK

Its treated like an actual battle

>>1904262
"Animal language" is one subject wikipedia has always done poor in. There are numerous criticisms of these studies, which are usually carried out by animal psychologists and not linguists.

>>1903988
Chimps seem to act like exactly like black people.

>>1904246
Apes dont see humans as related to them, they see humans as weird things that are usually not threatening, apes dont even have a concept for animal. They think our technology is witchcraft.

>>1904518
this
made me audibly laugh

>>1904584
>don't have the concept of animal
>have the concept of witchcraft

r u rusing me?

>>1904587
>>1904518
Same just how orderly a literal chimp out is described is hilarious

>>1904584
It would be so weird being an ape and seeing a human because it's doing things you couldn't even comprehend but it's not physically a threat unless they have tools. It would be so confusing

>>1904350
Reparations for whom? They genocided every single one of them.

>>1905112
Dig up their corpses, clone them, reparations for the clones, natch.

We have the technology.

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>>1904192

Monkey Rome sounds like they need a Monkey Constantine

>>1904240

>implying hedonism isn't the Eternal Path to Truth and that these fat monkeys who just get fed and fuck all day aren't living the most enlightened life

Just smart enough to know how to masturbate, not smart enough to know of their own mortality, what a blessed life.

>>1905139
Go slam your head against the pavement until you successfully induce brain damage if it's so much better...

But you won't :^)

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>>1904427

>the humanities

>>1905144
That would induce severe pain and not reliably induce the good type of brain damage.

Not him, but if I could make myself a dribbling happy retard reliably without anyone knowing I'd done so intentionally, I'd very seriously consider the notion.

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>>1905144

>mfw triggered Cynics

>>1905120
fascinating idea

What I can't seem to understand is that chimps are highly empathetic and intelligent and can be altruistic, yet they can be ridiculously violent to their own community, friends, and relatives. It's strange how they possess two opposite set of traits together. I wonder if you raised a community of apes in a post-scarcity environment with plenty of women for the men if they would become less and less aggressive and eventually drop any hierarchy.

>you will never conduct gorilla warfare in a band of chimp warriors

feels bad man

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>>1905536
>What I can't seem to understand is that chimps are highly empathetic and intelligent and can be altruistic, yet they can be ridiculously violent to their own community, friends, and relatives.
this sounds sorta familiar don't it

>>1905750
it doesn't
true altruism has never been observed in animals it always revolves around the "something for something" principle
though I guess you can say that applies to humans just as much...
well fuck we really are just primitive monkey people aren't we?

>>1905759

Babby's first time thinking?

>>1905759
Enjoy the red pill.

>>1903988
>>1904069

Jesus Christ, Chimpanzees are fucking monsters

>>1907435
You should watch videos of them hunting monkeys

>>1901586
Once saw footage of chimps going to war, can't remember the doc but it was like some CIA shit
They snuck up on them, had hand signals during the stalking to minimise noise and organise everyone, it was amazing

>>1907465
Fuck that, I remember seeing in a doc of them eating each other with one chimp having an infant's arm between its teeth.

>>1907475
I wanna see that

>>1907916
Here is it I think
https://youtu.be/a7XuXi3mqYM

>>1905750
Except humans are really only like that to outsiders. Humans don't tend to murder their friends or their tribesman's baby.

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>>1904310
>Women apparently obfuscate fatherhood (for a variety of reasons, like reduced infanticide)
What human male would fall for this trick?

"Yes darling, I know you're a slut who fucked the entire village - but I'll raise your kid who may be mine since you let me stick my dick in you that one time"

>>1908477
all sorts of people

I don't understand how anyone can have that level of respect for themselves

>>1908477
My friend, you would be surprised.
Interesting how there might be an instinctual basis for cuckoldry, of course people wouldn't want to admit that.

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>The killer ape theory or killer ape hypothesis is the theory that war and interpersonal aggression was the driving force behind human evolution. It was originated by Raymond Dart in the 1950s; later it was developed further in African Genesis by Robert Ardrey in 1961. According to the theory, the ancestors of humans were distinguished from other primate species by their greater aggressiveness and this aggression remains within humanity, which retains many murderous instincts. The theory gained notoriety for suggesting that the urge to do violence was a fundamental part of human psychology. The hunting hypothesis is often associated with the theory, because of similarities and because Robert Ardrey has developed both.
Guess this bloke was on to something after all.

>>1903988
Africans?

>>1908434
People rape and kill family members all the time.

>>1908477
plenty of men are willing to pretend a child is theirs rather than face knowing they got played hard

>>1905536
Why does this seem so familiar?

>>1908068
Are these the actual subhumans?

>>1909226
All the time is a bit of a stretch, and it's not considered normal or acceptable by most cultures currently and historically.

>>1907666
I think it was in Planet Earth

>>1904240
>tensions high during the signing of the peace treaty

>>1908068
I love how they actually get such clear shots of it all happening. I imagine some terrified cameraman shitting his pants while following the little platoon of chimps to battle.

The Planet Earth series is great, can't wait for Planet Earth 2 in 4K

>>1903988
JUSTICE FOR FRODO! He was a good boy!!

The Kalande did the Kahama genocide. Kalande agents within the Kaskela fabricated the conflict to gain Kahaman territory. The unsustainable way of Kalande life fueled by the banana-industrial complex calls for continous expansion of territory but due to unstable internal affairs direct conflict with the Kahama could result in opposition to the Kalande elite.

>>1903988
>He was then defeated by a coalition of several males and spent most of the next two years on his own recovering from his wounds and illness. He received antibiotics from the researchers, which may have helped his recovery.
Why the fuck would they help this thing? The researchers are really retarded, I understand they want to keep the community alive for study but to interfere with the natural process to such an extent, helping a monkey that was clearly an overly aggressive tyrant that deserved to die, it just seems really foolish and counter-productive if you are attempting to study the natural social workings of a community of apes.

>>1904427
>m-muh extenuating circumstances

>>1904427
I seriously doubt they would perform a study like this with an unhealthy, malnourished child but maybe I'm overestimating the intelligence of psychologists.

>>1910807
>Why the fuck would they help this thing?
My guess (with absolutely no evidence or knowledge of the topic at all beyond "Lol the monkeys had a war") is that they gave him antibiotics so he wouldn't infect any other apes and kill the entire community with disease.

>>1902412
Why were they naked m

It was an unjustified massacre

>>1910923
Was it genocide?

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>>1902383

KALANDE POWER

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>>1903988
he a gu boi din du nufin rong e go church n shiiet n fix life n shiiet

>>1904427
That was a fun little story you conjured up, anon. Feeling better now?

I wonder if the elders still teach of the the Four-Year Terror of Gombe

Why aren't humanzees a thing?

>>1904286
do bonobos have one more chromosome than chimps?

>>1912095

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>>1902595
>monkey business
My fucking sides

>>1902374
>Remember the six!

Remember the six. People always spout that, but it really undermines the scope of the Kasakela war crimes. The six were just the active, able-bodies servicechimps, but what of the women and children? They were often murdered just like the men, as well as beaten, kidnapped, and raped.

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>this thread

>>1905536
>post-scarcity environment with plenty of women for the men if they would become less and less aggressive and eventually drop any hierarchy
Oh God no i just realized what has happened.

>>1909095
Cold blooded sociopathy does seem like it would be evolutionarily benoficial

>>1913679
It's not, and the killer ape theory is nonsense. Humans are so advanced precisely because they peacefully work together and cooperate. Like all animals, humans fight against competitors, but they're not nearly as aggressive as chimpanzees. Even looking at the ridiculous diversity of ideals and behaviors in past and present human societies makes it pretty impossible to cordon human behavior into a neat category.

>>1905759
>true altruism has never been observed in animals it always revolves around the "something for something" principle
Except humpbacks will go far, far out of their way to fuck up orcas on the hunt, to the point of acting a fucking floating island for their prey while another whale attacks them.
This happens worldwide, with over a hundred known incidents.

Suck 10,000 dicks you edgy faggot.

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>>1903988
>He was then defeated by a coalition of several males and spent most of the next two years on his own recovering from his wounds and illness.
>coalition

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>>1913745
>Worldwide whale wars

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>"Haroom. Haroom. Come my friends. The Kasekala are going to war. It is likely that we go to our doom; the last march of the Kasekala"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QfHKv86gRQ

>you will never start a human settlement in the Gombe reservation and terrorise your literal chimp subhuman neighbors by slaughtering them and fucking their girl-chimps

Someone has to remind them who's boss

>>1910807
Sounds like the story of Napoleon

>>1913711
I think it's that tool usage just made violence a lot more effective than it had previously been, rivals could so easily kill each other with a rock or a spear. And who knows what you could have accomplished with fire. I think this made violence much more effective than it had previously been and also more destructive.

>>1914010
Dude a chimp would mangle your doughy ass as soon as you started to annoy it.

>>1914558
Gunz

>>1914572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxqIITtTtU

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>>1904240

>>1914558
>muh chimp upper body strength

this is literally a meme, chimps are slightly stronger than humans but far more aggressive, you could beat one in hand to hand combat if you just used a bit of ingenuity, they don't even have claws or venom or anything

>>1916049
They rip people's faces off. It's like going toe to toe with a midget wrestler on pcp, except he has the reach advantage.

>>1904427
>Die of starvation
actually
>get food aid from white devils
>grow up
>have 8 children you cannot feed
>repeat

>>1908477
>What human male would fall for this trick?
literally all of france, cucking is so common testing fatherhood is banned
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_paternity_testing#France

Neat thread

WE

>>1916095
No, that's an orangutan that did that. They're quite a bit larger, and it was attacking a middle aged rich woman from CT.

>>1917074
>one time

Mate chimps ripping faces off happen all the time

Literally google "chimp attack"
I remember watching that animal planet documentary in which a chimp mangled some guide's face

It seems that they go for hands, face and genitals

>>1905139
If Koko the gorilla was something to go by, these guys might be aware on some level that they are waiting on their number.

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The Kasakela chieftain is not enough anymore to sustain all the land we've won from the Kahama. Changes are needed.
The Empire must rise.

>>1917300
every third word Koko signed in that aol chat log was a request for a treat
the rest of it was mimicry and gibberish

>>1917304
>>1917300

From the AOL live chat

>HaloMyBaby: Storm 1004 asks: Dear Koko...I've watched you for years now...your gentle spirit is inspiration for many... I'd like to know what you'd like for your birthday.
>HaloMyBaby: What a sweet question!
>LiveKOKO: Birthday. Food and smokes.

>>1917366
Kek.
Smart girl.

>>1904240
Kanzi's son also has the ape version of autism.

>Is Kanzi our guy?

>>1917366
https://pubpages.unh.edu/~jel/kokotranscript.html
I've started reading this and I'm remarkably amused.
I think the way it's set out really creates the impression Koko just doesn't give a fuck. It's hilarious.

>>1913758
Underrated post