Is it really world's oldest proffesion? Wouldn't builders

>>1900282
I think farmers, herdsmen or even gatherers and craftsmen would've come first


Shit, wouldn't hunter be considered a profession?

>>1900282
You just know there were sluts who traded sex for more berries/more mammoth meat

>>1900282
>Wouldn't builders exist before hookers?
No, you can have whores in a nomadic hunter-gatherer society.

>woman sees man hunt a deer
>"hey, can I have some of that?"
>"no."
>"I'll fuck you if you give me some."
>"you've got a deal."

>>1900290
>profession

>be caveman
>Want to fuck oogette
>She won't let me
>Give her a handful of figs and some half rotting mammoth meat you don't even want anymore
>She agrees
>Hahhaa what a dumb whore

>>1900299
They got payment for sex so it was technically a job

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>>1900302
Why don't you just club her?

>>1900297
>>1900282
This. First comes whatever you have to do to produce that with which you pay her

>>1900282
If prostitute is the first profession then where did her clients get their money from? Prostituting themselves? *Infinite regress*

>>1900282
>builders
>not gatherers

>>1900305
job != profession

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>>1900364
>job != profession

I would imagine something like cook/fire-starter would be the first profession, or trader/go-between who could talk to other tribes

>>1900373

>prolonged training
>formal qualification


dude you're defending your ego right now, give up, this isn't your blog, it's a simple history discussion

Hunting and gathering is more of a hobby
Prostitution is the first job
Pyromancy is the first profession
Conquest is the first career

>>1900395
>, especially
>this means obligatory
Job is in the list of synonyms, lad.

>>1900396
>essential activity for the survival of primitive humans and other hominids is a hobby
>pyromancy (wtf?)
Nevermind this board is such shit.

>>1900395
Formal qualification is out of the question as no "profession" could be certified back then
Especially != Exclusively
Prolonged training is a matter of perspective with all the "occupations" in this thread

Can I talk about prostitution throughout history or is that too off topic for the thread?

>>1900396
you fucking /tg/ larper, pyromancy came after religious figures became a thing

>>1900404
>Reading this much into a farcical post
>>pyromancy (wtf?) (fire making dumbass)
Nevermind this anon is such shit

Why you niggers go on prolonged mental masturbations? See primitive tribes currently existing today? Do you see any hoes? No, you dumb niggers, you see hunters, fishermen, cooks, potters, dressmakers, medicinemen...

>>1900413
Do whatever you want anon, this thread is already shit

>>1900421
>pyromancy
>firemaking


Bro you're retarded

>>1900421
>pyromancy
>divination by fire or flames
You're a moron.

>>1900425
ITS NOT LITERALLY FIREMAKING
I know that. We all know that.
Stop being autistic for one goddamn minute, use the micron of imagination that you have left in your husk of a body and think REALLY hard about what the word "pyromancer" could possibly mean in the context of the dawn of humanity

>>1900282

well, it depends on wether you consider hunter-gathering a proffesion

id say it might be, since it takes skill and experience, but maybe that wouldnt realy be a good definition if we assume a proffesion is something you do to ''get something in return'', and hunting-gathering is something you must do by default experience or no experience, in the same sense that monkey arent realy ''proffesional fruit eaters'', but any way lets assume its just a basic activity, not a proffesion

so as soon as you have a mixed group of humans, some of the humans will give themselves to other humans in return for food - and if this isnt done as part of a socialy recognised relationship then its techicaly prostitution

its hard to tell which one comes next, that of the shaman or that of the warrior, guess that depends on circumstances, and things like wet nurses and midwives come spontaneously as needed

then comes the carrier politician

traders and craftsmen are later specialists

>>1900282
Sex is the oldest profession

>>1900396
>Hunting and gathering is more of a hobby
Back then?

>>1900314

>Club one of the fertile women of the tribe
>Chances of group survival drop
>Squad broken
>Ug from middle management restores morale by clubbing you

>>1900364
>job != profession
>look at me a took a shitty programming class
faggot

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>cruising down the street
>see this

wat do?

>>1900282
It was derived from pre-aryan, early agricultural religion's priestesses and oracles, who's role included sleeping with many men.

>>1900282
I really hate when people say "Prostitution is the world's oldest profession", to basically objectify women's relationships in society. I mean, it's ironically the feminists who say this, which is extremely annoying, because they're only saying it to justify "Women's rights" in the context of men; whereas, I doubt they would have supported prostitution at the time, because it was strictly FOR men.

If it's oldest profession who would pay them when there are no other jobs around?

i take profession to mean a formalized, regulated system for work

>>1900289
Hunters, actually.

Yeah but technically would those people have been "paid" for it at the time?

I think when people say "worlds oldest profession" they mean it's the first that actually demanded some form of payment whereas the very early farmers and hunters would have probably just been part of a cooperative.

>>1900396
>pyromancy

Not after the nerf, re-roll for warrior class pls

>>1900408
Prolonged training is what makes the difference. No one needs to be trained to spread their legs, it's not a fucking profession. However, things like hunting, which do require prolonged training, are IMO most likely the oldest professions.

I'm pretty sure that's a meme. Everyone knows that the first "profession" was obviously farming.

>>1900396
>Hunting and gathering is more of a hobby

Nowadays sure but pre-agriculture if you didn't hunt and gather you would fucking starve to death. I'd also argue that hunting/gathering is more of a profession than being a whore, you need skills to hunt an animal, or even to identify safe food. Spreading your legs requires no skill.

>>1901958
>It's not a fucking profession
Well, technically...

>>1900297
>I'll fuck you if you provide for me and my future
Thats just women in general isn't it?

>>1901958
I think almost all prostitutes would disagree with you on that point.

>>1900282
Maybe. But Hunter and or Soldier would be my guess. "World's oldest profession" is just a cute catch-phrase.

>>1901958
You could do both those things without having much prior knowledge, just maybe not very good.

If anything we should divide it like: the oldest profession for a man hunting, and for a woman to be a whore.

>>1902073
hunting is a job, not a profession. not all jobs are professions.

not all whores are professional whores either, but historically whoring was probably structured into a formal profession as part of an enterprise involving employers and employees with clients and contracts before hunting was. basically every ancient civilization had codes and laws protecting and regulating officially accredited whores, while laws regarding hunting rights seems a bit more sparse.

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>>1902097
> Complex law systems regarding the use of whores where made before humans learned how to hunt.

Alright..

>>1900282
No because why would you need to build something that isn't a brothel?

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>>1901227
>Ug from middle management

>>1901303
I'd drive on by. Chances are that she got a wand of her own.

>>1902049
Soldier -as in, the meme fixed professional soldier in non-negotiable employ to a polity- literally took a long fucking time to happen.

The first military entities on the planet were either militiamen or mercenaries. By the time the first soldiers showed up written history was already beginning.

>>1902109
That's not what they said. More like 555-come-on-learn-to-read-now lmao

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>>1902187


> >>1902073 (You)
>but historically whoring was probably structured into a formal profession as part of an enterprise involving employers and employees with clients and contracts before hunting was.
>before hunting was
>before

>>1900395
lmao at u dude

>>1902201

>whoring was probably structured into a formal profession as part of an enterprise involving employers and employees with clients and contracts before hunting was.

>structured into a formal profession as part of an enterprise involving employers and employees with clients and contracts before hunting was.

> as part of an enterprise involving employers and employees with clients and contracts before hunting was.

Nobody said this is happening before we learned how to hunt. What is being said, for the reading disabled, is that whoring is structured like a profession before hunting is structured like a profession. For a long time both probably remained more like crafts. I don't know what I'm having to type this - its literally what the sentence says - the sentence you yourself quoted.

>>1902016
Women are low level whores.
How bout that

>>1902211
>he still thinks whoring became a profession before hunting.


Jesus.

women have been on easy life since always thanks to men ready to please them

just get comfy in picking berries, with your friends, while everybody else go hunting
then eat the meat, after the providers have eaten
this way, you stay lean
then demand an orgasm from one man
then get another man to fuck you while the first endures the refractory period
then get pregnant by some pleb
now men think that you are a mother
fewer men want to take care of you
get to menopause
at last be treated as a man (meaning nobody cares about you) while you have done nothing and your children take care of you
your providers have literally died far long ago
encourage your daughters to have the same life as you
encourage your boys to provide for the few women who acknowledge them
die happy knowing that you did nothing of your life

>>1902256
>butthurt cuz u can't read and tried to strawman somebody. Now willing to slowly retreat and fight for the mere tattered scraps of victory.

>>1901303
Drive over, get her in my car, drive to quiet area, then fuck her until she stops calling herself a feminist, then fuck her a bit more until she's mindbroken, then let her back out at her corner with a fifty in her pocket because I'm not a monster.

>>1900282
Hunters and foragers are the oldest profession. Along with warriors if you considered anyone who defended their tribe one.

>>1900282
Consider "profession" in the sense of rendering a service.

Individuals in a hunter-gatherer society don't necessarily render services for eachother. Instead they do things for themselves, like build shelter and forage for food, and grouping up allows them to do those things faster and more efficiently.

Prostition is a service that, unless you're a nymphonaniac, doesn't benefit you as an individual right away. Instead, it generates an income because you're performing an act for somebody else in exchange for something of value.

Capucchin monkeys have been shown to understand the principle of prostitution shortly after being taught the value of currency.

So I'm pretty convinced that prostitution is the oldest "profession" in terms of servicing.

>>1902322
>Capucchin monkeys have been shown to understand the principle of prostitution shortly after being taught the value of currency.

Tell me more.

>>1902322
>Capucchin monkeys
>being taught the value of currency
doubt.png

>>1903725
>>1903731
In 2005, experiments were conducted on the ability of capuchins to use money.[25] After several months of training, the monkeys began exhibiting behaviors considered to reflect understanding of the concept of a medium of exchange that were previously believed to be restricted to humans (such as responding rationally to price shocks).[25] They showed the same propensity to avoid perceived losses demonstrated by human subjects and investors.[26] They also may trade sex for money.[27]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capuchin_monkey#Intelligence