Why is he so hated here? Doesn't he had righteous points

>>1887694
>Why is he so hated here?
Because he was pretty inconsistent in his theology, wanted to remove the Catholic reverence for Reason and the Greek philosophers from his religion, once killed a priest for disagreeing with him and doomed Europe to who knows how many centuries of infighting. Yet normies worship the fuck out of him. Same with Mother... apologies, "Saint" Theresa.

>Doesn't he had righteous points in criticizing the catholic Christendom?
Yeah, not even modern Catholics contest that. Hell, even contemporary Catholics had a lot of issues with the Church (Dante saying for example that hell is full of popes). The real problem is that rather than going for reform (like many others before him), he opted for schism purely because his paymasters favored that solution.

>I mean the pope could have just adapted to Luthers claims, but being a corrupt and heretic Italian cunt he obviously rather chose to further weaken Christendom.
They did though, partially. The valid criticisms were adopted and the full retard criticisms were rejected. That's what the whole Council of Trent and Counterreformation was for.

His beliefs drove away Christianity from contemplation, reflexion and experiencing the Living God.

He also was way too fundamentalist, saying only the Bible should be used and believed, discarding oral traditions and folklore fully integrated since more one millennia, enforcing dogmatism and radicalism.

>>1887694
If Luther was properly a "church reformer", he would not have run cowering to corrupt secular power and try and establish a parallel fake church.

It shows weakness in faith that he would do everything in his power to avoid martyrdom, if the Catholic authorities were actually working against God.

Catholicism gets stronger by its martyrs, Protestantism got stronger by making martyrs of Catholics. A simple study of history will show this.

>>1887865
>If Luther was properly a "church reformer", he would not have run cowering to corrupt secular power and try and establish a parallel fake church.

Literally the same argument used against Edward Snowden.

Well, you know, Luther did try to tell them they were being heretics, just as Snowden did try to tell government official that what they were doing was unconstitutional and illegal, but do you really think people in the halls of power care what some pleb thinks?

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>>1887888
You forgot to post your fanfic dumb proddie

>>1887807
>Dante saying for example that hell is full of popes
Exact source, please?

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>>1887900
>muh papal authority
>muh extra ecclesiam nulla salus

>>1887907
http://danteworlds.laits.utexas.edu/circle8a.html
Various popes are put in the 8th circle of hell by Dante.

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>>1887900
This triggers the cathocuck

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>>1887865
>>1887812
>>1887807
Thanks for actually contributing to the discussion, posts like this get way to less attention here.

The pic shows a Konfessionsbild. Common in old protestant churches in Germany. They usually depict the handing over of the Confessionata Augustana to the Kaiser by protestant dukes (lower right) and the new protestant rituals. I like this one especially because of the scene in the upper right, it shows how other protestant "heretics" (followers of Zwingli) are pushed out of the church literally by bloodhounds.

>>1888718
Meant upper left for the dogs

>>1887942
Thank you very much.

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>why is he hated here

You know why

>>1887807
>Yeah, not even modern Catholics contest that. Hell, even contemporary Catholics had a lot of issues with the Church (Dante saying for example that hell is full of popes). The real problem is that rather than going for reform (like many others before him), he opted for schism purely because his paymasters favored that solution.
Did anyone ever put their criticism forward for real rather than dancing around pushing at certain popes and so on? It's one thing to criticize a person, another to go against the whole Church structure.

>They did though, partially. The valid criticisms were adopted and the full retard criticisms were rejected. That's what the whole Council of Trent and Counterreformation was for.
They didn't do shit before they were long past the point of no return, they had a chance to try to fix things after the Hussite wars but didn't either ((And the little they did was forced onto them by a secular entity, the emperor, if I recall correctly))

>1887694
>Why is he so hated here?

>destroys yurop
>why is he so hated

Protties are a mistake. End yourselves.

>muh corrupt italians
>le french/pole boogeyman

Germans are a mistake. End yourselves.

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Everything martin luther rejected were impurities added to make christianity more appealing to pagans. Protestantism is the most pure and undiluted form of christianity.

Peter the Apostle never went to Rome. Simon Magus is the "rock" of the Babylonian Catholic Church from where all your idolatry and false traditions flow

>>1887807
>The real problem is that rather than going for reform (like many others before him), he opted for schism purely because his paymasters favored that solution.
He did go for reform, as others had before him. It'd just that he also realized that those other attempts at reform had ended prematurely in failure, so he kept going. Social conditions had also changed to the point that this particular attempt at reform could catch on much more quickly than the ones before and outrun the Catholic church's attempt to stamp it out.

The bitterness over Luther specifically makes no sense. If he had folded, someone else eventually would have tried again, been rejected by the church, and cause a schism. If you want to blame anything, blame the church's preference for silencing those who "cause scandal" by revealing corruption rather than cleaning house and preventing corruption in the first place.

>>1887694
He was right, but proddies suck nowadays.